NVIDIA GeForce RTX Series Prices Up To 71% Higher Than Previous Gen

[Prima.Vera]

but neither was the first Voodoo graphics accelerator

Yo're joking right? VooDoo was and still is THE BEST 3D accelerator ever produced, from the impact to the gaming market perspective. It literally revolutionized the Gaming industry and put it on the path that there is today. No other card has impacted game visual quality as Voodoo did.

The market will determine if these are priced too high to sell all the stock. If it’s too high, they and AIB’s will adjust.

This is going to be another bullshit fest from nVidia and partners. Due to very low yields and availability, most of the cards will be sold out, but they will claim that the sales are booming and they cannot coupe with the orders, therefore incresing their sahres value and making them even richer on false premises.... GREEDY unscrupulous Capitalism at it's finest!

 

[N3M3515]

Holy shit, what's the matter with those sky high prices???

 

[GoldenX]

Holy shit, what's the matter with those sky high prices???

The higher your market share is, the higher your prices get, the dumber the "loyal clients" get. Look at Apple. Thank god Intel is no longer an example here.

 

[mobiuus]

@bug, shut ur dirty mouth, now is enough of u callin other members stupid when clearly the only stupid person here is u
@Tomorrow since when should we the buyers care/speculate/or justify production cost from nvidia!!?? i doubt nvidia is a company willing to increase production cost on every new gen of cards...
thats not how corporations operate..
the only thing nvidia is going to do if they keep increasing gpu prices (and as mentioned earlier we get 2080ti runnin tomb raider ray traced @35fps lol ) is pushing gamers to playstation and xbox
still think they do this coz of miners

 

[coolernoob]

guys, why are you keep doing this:

this is not what Jensen wanted you to think about now (with that full moth of preorder time before first real reviews - that is the true inovation here )... think about all the GigaRays and RTX-OPS and preorder now, for just "499" (that actually might be 1299,- for the card he demoed)... think about the technology and 10 year development, think about die size (size DOES matter!), think about Jensen's enthusiasm and press that preorder. Dont be a downer and dont think about those +20% performance real world gains and over +50% price gains (in 2.5 year time vs previous gen Pascal) - that kind of negativity is for loosers, downers, amd fanboiz, you are not like that - buy now - think later. Dont think about RayTrace as performance hog aka - 30-50fps on a 1920x1080 resolution on a 1299$ gpu , think about GIGA and Rays in a speed of light, think about those slideshow gameplays (with RTX ON) Jensen sowed us - those "just works!". Most of you downers got this wrong, but some enlightened folks (enlightened by the giga Rays of pure bliss ) here gets the Jensens vision and the future and announced their preorder plans like a champs *stands up and claps with tears in his eyes and then salutes the green flag* - you are da real MVPs - let the Jensen Rays be with you

 

[Tomorrow]

I think this discussion is too long

Yes it is.

The conclusion is that Nvidia is trying to rip us off

Your conclusion is.

and in my opinion not justified

Fair enough.

As for wafer price I found you overestimated the cost by at least 10000 $ , 20000 $ per wafer was a year ago , now it's probably a lot less

It can't be ~10000$ because Quadro RTX 8000 (also a TU102, albeit a fully enabled one) is itself 10000$: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3306/quadro-rtx-8000

This would contradict your claim that Nvidia is massively increasing margins. Surely they would not swallow half the wafer cost to keep RTX 8000 at 10000?

So if it's so expensive then simple logic dictates that the wafer must be more expensive. 25000$ is not unreasonable cost even if they get only a handful of fully enabled TU102's from it.

So if the rtx 2080 ti chip cost 350 $ maybe

In your dreams maybe. Here on the real world things are less rosy...

I think they could easily sell rtx 2080 ti for 800 $ which would be a 100$ more than gtx 1080 ti , and still make a lot of profit

They could but as we both know they have no incentive to do so.

What is really co concerning in my opinion is your mindset , trying to justyfi that incredibly big price increase . If we follow your thinking then soon for 500$ we will buy low end graphics , and we should be ok with that ?

Don't put words in my mouth. That is your interpretation. I'm justifying no one. I'm trying to see why it's so expensive instead of jumping to the most obvious and easy answer like most people.

No real performance number during conference ? Isn't that sketchy as fuck ?

Yeah that was strange.

Imagine a situation , when there is one high speed Internet provider , and if you want high speed connection , and after three years he wants 72 % more , just because he doesn't have competition . Yeah sure

Do they also increase your speeds by 20-30% before asking that? Will the price per Mbit/s remain the same? Not the best comparison.

when even Xbox one X , can play some games at 4k 30 fps , while the rtx 2070 which will be over 500 $ the price of whole console , probably couldn't handle 60 FPS , where there is logic in that, and that's the price of GPU only

Consoles are running bare metal API's and games are perfectly optimized for those. Plus checkerboard 4K rendering meaning not real 4K. That is why they can run what seems like 4K 30 on much slower hardware.

 

[bug]

Here's a more balanced assessment (compared to all the whining in thins thread): https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...-should-jump-off-the-hype-train/#5a7683423f8e

Their argument hinges on new 7nm cards being released next year, but overall it sums up the situation pretty well.

 

[Mindweaver]

I want to be clear here; if someone is calling other members names or anything outside TPU's guidelines then report it. Do not try to resolve it yourself by calling them names.

 

[basco]

paying in front for something i dont know-well seems most peeps get alonge with it-hint to origin and others.
tomorrow i will go to my butcher and pay him 50.- in advance for a meat i dont know or even want.

 

[bug]

paying in front for something i dont know-well seems most peeps get alonge with it-hint to origin and others.
tomorrow i will go to my butcher and pay him 50.- in advance for a meat i dont know or even want.

You would if there was the risk of you going to the store tomorrow only to find it empty.
But in the broad sense, there's not much point in preordering video cards.

 

[Slizzo]

FWIW, NVIDIA quoted the Quadro 8000 as only being 2TFLOPS faster than previous gen. So there's that. I can't see it being much different on the GeForce lineup.

Again, I don't see a 2304 shader RTX 2070 beating a 3584 shader 1080Ti at traditional workloads. NVIDIA didn't show any performance metrics for traditional workloads for a reason; they're afraid of losing that pre-order revenue.


Anyone that pre-orders this is a fool IMO. And all the costs behind this GPU do NOT justify the price that NVIDIA is asking for these cards. DON'T fall into that trap guys! Let NVIDIA know what you think by NOT BUYING this gen.

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

Ill PASS, and NVIDIA!!!! NO THANKYOU..


Ill Sticjk With My GTX 1080, untill your PRICES DROP BY 20-36%... see ya,, or ill but one used or on sale 1 year or two down the road,..,\\


screw you nvidia and your overcharged GPUs.. F**k YOU i may be done with your GPUS they do suck, and so does AMDs, but urs are the most EXPENSIVE and WALLET HUNGARY POSes...


TOO HIGH o PRICE... if i buy anything ill just upgrade to a 1080ti.. 12GB GDDR5x,, or wait wait what???// 11GB GDDR5X, NVIDIA??? WTF??? 11GB, HUH, thats a weird ram size, wthat the F****KK were u thinking, making an 11GB GPU???? on a 1080ti????

 

[GoldenX]

I will quote an old and wise Argentinian proverb: "Que se las metan en el culo".

 

[ensabrenoir]

.....honestly the only time we haven't complained about Nvdia prices was the 9 series.... But every other time ...we complain about the early adoption tax and then slowly but surely....most upgrade regardless. Some sorta twisted circle of life thing. Bunch of evil geniuses....

 

[rtwjunkie]

wthat the F****KK were u thinking, making an 11GB GPU???? on a 1080ti????

That actually wasn’t on them. Micron gave them what they had ready. Micron has problems with the 12GB and controller package (they produced them as a package), so NVIDIA took what Micron had the ability to produce for them problem-free.

 

[Prima.Vera]

11GB of VRAM is way more than enough anyone will need, even for 4K resolution. Also the huge bandwidth, unless you are running 8xSSAA or FSAA on 4K (ridiculous)

 

[Tomorrow]

That actually wasn’t on them. Micron gave them what they had ready. Micron has problems with the 12GB and controller package (they produced them as a package), so NVIDIA took what Micron had the ability to produce for them problem-free.

Seem dubious considering Nvidia lanched Titan X with 12GB of G5X ~6 months prior to 1080Ti.
The 11GB VRAM buffer was a result of chip nerfing by Nvidia. They could not very well release a card with the same specs for 500$ less. Titan X owners would have sued them.

EDIT:
Referring to this: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2863/titan-x-pascal
Not this: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2948/titan-xp

 

[lewis007]

Nope!!!!

 

[rtwjunkie]

Seem dubious considering Nvidia lanched Titan X with 12GB of G5X ~6 months prior to 1080Ti.
The 11GB VRAM buffer was a result of chip nerfing by Nvidia. They could not very well release a card with the same specs for 500$ less. Titan X owners would have sued them.

EDIT:
Referring to this: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2863/titan-x-pascal
Not this: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2948/titan-xp

You’re correct. I was mistaken. Turns out I was referring to the speed of the VRAM of 11GBs instead of 12GBs, not the amount.

 

[Tomorrow]

You’re correct. I was mistaken. Turns out I was referring to the speed of the VRAM of 11GBs instead of 12GBs, not the amount.

I see. Initial G5X ran at 10Gbps. 11 if you OC'ed yourself. Later when Micron perfected it then Nvidia shipped cards with 11Gbps default overclockable to 12Gbps. Including variants of GTX 1080 with 11Gbps G5X but as i recall those never really took off.

 

[bug]

You’re correct. I was mistaken. Turns out I was referring to the speed of the VRAM of 11GBs instead of 12GBs, not the amount.

Who cares? Both values translate to "a crapload more than needed by anything these cards will ever handle"

That said, getting "creative" with the memory controller is not unheard of. Just look at what black magic Threaripper2 employs to enable those additional cores (and what that does to power draw).

 

[rtwjunkie]

Who cares? Both values translate to "a crapload more than needed by anything these cards will ever handle"

Absolutely! Whether speed or capacity, this stuff has advanced well beyond what 95% of games can handle or make use of.

 

[bug]

Absolutely! Whether speed or capacity, this stuff has advanced well beyond what 95% of games can handle or make use of.

Eh, just throw in some uncompressed textures for good measure and it will suddenly as if the hardware doesn't measure up.
But that would be just sloppy.

 

[noel_fs]

2070 is a scam in every aspect

 

[bug]

2070 is a scam in every aspect

Apparently Amazon is already running out of stock, so what do you know? the world doesn't revolve around whining on TPU