Tom's Hardware Edioter-in-chief's stance on RTX 20 Series : JUST BUY IT

[rtwjunkie]

Uuu... so many people beating the drum for "Tom's Hardware published an article of herculean stupidity that pertained to the idea of pre-ordering based on nothing more than promises. ".
How funny it is considering what was going on before Ryzen and Vega came out.
I bet most of the other company fanboys here would already order Navi if someone wanted to take their money

It's just sad that the same people who praise the other company for "fine wine", "future proofing" and "innovation" are now criticizing NV for pushing RTRT. :-D
This is the most advanced card available today. Just live with it. NV got so far ahead in performance that they finally had a moment to do something interesting.

And I simply knew HBM will appear here (mentioned by the usual members). :-D

Apparently you don’t actually pay as much attention as you think you do. There are very many Nvidia users on here beating down Tom’s editorial advice. There are also a number of us that buy both camps saying the same. Everything is not broken down into red and green fanboys. This is about pre-order advice, not companies.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Those are just assumptions, what's certain is that a lot of ALUs have been added which are now allowed to operate concurrently and that requires a ton of memory bandwidth, registers and cache to hide the latencies. The higher memory and cache bandwidth and higher sure helps mitigate some of that but I doubt it's anywhere near enough for effective use of all the shaders. GPU do not work like CPUs, memory limitations become much more apparent since there aren't as many sophisticated mechanisms to keep ALUs occupied.

The ALUs were always there to aid the FPUs. They just weren't individually programable before.

 

[yotano211]

So shall we cross-check this list with Ryzen and Vega discussions from 2017?

Go ahead i dont care, I still wont pre order anything. And I tell peolpe not too. The ones that pre-order items always get burn but they still do it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

To me They just pissed on any sincerity i might have once thought they had, Tom's not Nvidia.

Refocus the argument , it's not at all about the tech.

Which is undeniably interesting, and expensive and an unknown (partly at least) quantity at this time.

 

[Vya Domus]

is not broken down into red and green fanboys.

Of course it is if you are part of one of those aforementioned groups and you'd also make sure to bring that up. Sad that you would have to bring down the discussion to such a low level to make your point.

 

[Frick]

Money talks, even our beloved TPU had a bought and paid for AMD advertorial... posted under "reviews":

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_560_vs_GTX_1050/

It clearly says it's sponsored and an advertorial, so it wasn't very underhanded, even though it was pretty bad. And he never repeated it, which is a good thing obviously.

 

[Fluffmeister]

It clearly says it's sponsored and an advertorial, so it wasn't very underhanded, even though it was pretty bad. And he never repeated it, which is a good thing obviously.

It's was updated to make it more clear it was a paid for advertorial:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-radeon-rx-560-vs-gtx-1050.234169/post-3684544

 

[Steevo]

It's was updated to make it more clear it was a paid for advertorial:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-radeon-rx-560-vs-gtx-1050.234169/post-3684544

Also it was available hardware where anyone could repeat the test. The shilling for RTX is purely that, complete and utter shilling.

 

[R-T-B]

didnt know dogs wear thigh high boots.

They are getting smarter...

Money talks, even our beloved TPU had a bought and paid for AMD advertorial... posted under "reviews":

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_560_vs_GTX_1050/

At least we were up front about it. I had no issues in that context.

Uuu... so many people beating the drum for "Tom's Hardware published an article of herculean stupidity that pertained to the idea of pre-ordering based on nothing more than promises. ".
How funny it is considering what was going on before Ryzen and Vega came out.
I bet most of the other company fanboys here would already order Navi if someone wanted to take their money

It's just sad that the same people who praise the other company for "fine wine", "future proofing" and "innovation" are now criticizing NV for pushing RTRT. :-D
This is the most advanced card available today. Just live with it. NV got so far ahead in performance that they finally had a moment to do something interesting.

And I simply knew HBM will appear here (mentioned by the usual members). :-D

It's a shill piece, no doubt. But yeah, dat irony. It can't escape me.

 

[Aquinus]

AMD has an unhealthy obsession with HBM.

I really wish that they would give up on this. It didn't work for Fury and it didn't work as well as it should have for Vega. The goal is certainly honorable but, it didn't quite pan out the way that it should have. The lack of a 490 or 590 series card annoys me because I feel like a modern take on the 290/390 series would have done them more good than trying to force HBM down our throats and the only reason for it is probably because they know such a GPU would dig into Vega sales because there is a cost premium for going with HBM that doesn't translate into performance. Honestly, HBM only makes sense if you're talking small form factors and that makes sense when that's your goal but, for performance by itself, it seems to be a bad choice.

 

[HD64G]

HBCC makes HBM2 on Vega future proof as nothing else for high resolution gaming. And HBM2 helped Vega muchly in lowering power consumption. They would need to lower clocks more if they had GDDR5. And then performance wouldn't compete well with 1070 and 1080 for 56 and 64 as now. Price was off but for that we need to see what's up with memory market as a whole that is acting as a cartel for a year now.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Vega turned out to be the GTX 1080's fat ugly sister who drinks too much and needs expensive jewellery just to be seen in public.

Pre-ording is silly as is judging a product before it's out, yet people here do both still. And while patience is a virtue, sometimes the first sister you see is the best.

 

[qubit]

Vega turned out to be the GTX 1080's fat ugly sister who drinks too much and needs expensive jewellery just to be seen in public

Haha that's funny!

 

[Aquinus]

HBCC makes HBM2 on Vega future proof as nothing else for high resolution gaming. And HBM2 helped Vega muchly in lowering power consumption. They would need to lower clocks more if they had GDDR5. And then performance wouldn't compete well with 1070 and 1080 for 56 and 64 as now. Price was off but for that we need to see what's up with memory market as a whole that is acting as a cartel for a year now.

I don't believe that for a second. The 580 runs perfectly fine with GDDR5. The issue with Hawaii and Hawaii XT is that a 512-bit wide bus takes up a lot of die space and consumes a lot of power for enough memory ICs to fit on a bus that wide. What should have been done is reducing the bus width to 256 or 384 bits and going with GDDR5X. The higher clock speeds get you the same thing with a narrower bus and that worked out just fine for nVidia.

Vega turned out to be the GTX 1080's fat ugly sister who drinks too much and needs expensive jewellery just to be seen in public.

Heh. That gave me a good laugh. I think it's more like the GTX 1080's sister (not ugly,) that only drinks top shelf liquor and drinks too much. I'm not so sure about being ugly because if she didn't demand the top-shelf stuff, would it really be that bad?

Edit: Honestly, I think HBM really should be used in applications where space is the constraint, like a performance APU, a laptop, or a game console. When it comes to a dedicated GPU, I'm not sure it really can be justified, to be frank... but I digress. This thread is about nVidia, not AMD.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Has AMD put GDDR5X on any cards? Boggles the mind why they didn't put out an RX 590 with GDDR5X.

One can't help but think that SK Hynix has AMD by the balls. They're using it excessively because they're contractually obligated to.

 

[StrayKAT]

Uuu... so many people beating the drum for "Tom's Hardware published an article of herculean stupidity that pertained to the idea of pre-ordering based on nothing more than promises. ".
How funny it is considering what was going on before Ryzen and Vega came out.
I bet most of the other company fanboys here would already order Navi if someone wanted to take their money

It's just sad that the same people who praise the other company for "fine wine", "future proofing" and "innovation" are now criticizing NV for pushing RTRT. :-D
This is the most advanced card available today. Just live with it. NV got so far ahead in performance that they finally had a moment to do something interesting.

And I simply knew HBM will appear here (mentioned by the usual members). :-D

Looks like two steps forward, one step back to me.

But I don't see anyone praising any other company. Most are hoping the 1080Ti prices drop.

 

[notb]

Apparently you don’t actually pay as much attention as you think you do. There are very many Nvidia users on here beating down Tom’s editorial advice. There are also a number of us that buy both camps saying the same. Everything is not broken down into red and green fanboys. This is about pre-order advice, not companies.

User is not a fan and far from fanboy. We all know many AMD-fans here use Intel and Nvidia. That's just pure pragmatism.
And I'm paying enough attention to notice, that the most hardcore AMD fanboys (despite praising Ryzen as much as possible) still use FX CPUs.

HBCC makes HBM2 on Vega future proof as nothing else for high resolution gaming.

And the "future proof" argument is here once again.
Vega 56 and 64 were tuned to match 1070 and 1080 in raw performance (at the cost of power consumption). They do up to 4K.

How big resolution are we talking about? Will Vega beat 1080 in 8K? 12K? I'm wondering how far we have to go.
And is it just how far in time? Or maybe we'll also have to move to a parallel universe where people have different eyes?
Because the way I see it, we're unlikely to move far beyond 4K. RTRT, on the other hand, seems like the next great advancement. So which company is more future proof now?

 

[StrayKAT]

They do up to 4K.

Unfortunately "it depends" :\

What makes Vega better to me is Freesync. Straight up battling cards against each other won't do it for me.

 

[Space Lynx]

TPU generally has very good testing methodologies and they don't push around drama which is respectable and which is why I usually take great regard for TPU reviews. Recommending a graphic card no one but NVIDIA itself has tested, based on some marketing graphs is just foolish and absurd. I think we all expected more from Tom's Hardware as they are generally very respectable outlet.

Only thing I would like to see is min FPS testing come back in the benchmarks. Would be cool to see more Denovo vs no denuvo min frame benchmarks too.

 

[TheOne]

On the bright side, aside from the ad revenue for this click bait article, this will most likely have the opposite effect NVIDIA wanted if they are responsible for it.

 

[hat]

So shall we cross-check this list with Ryzen and Vega discussions from 2017?

You know, I really wish someone would do that. I see the word "fanboy" thrown around so much on this site, usually when a member appears too much in favor (or against) a certain product. It would be interesting to see just how many fanboys we actually have here. I really only know of one actual fanboy myself, and he ain't ashamed of it.

 

[biffzinker]

The only reason for AMD pushing HBM on Fury and now Vega was both were intended for the HPC market. Being short the cash for R&D forced them to re-purpose the Fury/Vega for the gaming market. There is a good reason for why their skipping out on gaming with 7nm Vega 20.

 

[Athlonite]

Toms =

 

[StrayKAT]

You know, I really wish someone would do that. I see the word "fanboy" thrown around so much on this site, usually when a member appears too much in favor (or against) a certain product. It would be interesting to see just how many fanboys we actually have here. I really only know of one actual fanboy myself, and he ain't ashamed of it.

I see more Ryzen fanboys than Vega. Why I'd consider them fanboys is because they have a habit of pointing out Intel's imminent demise. No rational person would think that's happening anytime soon

 

[R-T-B]

Vega turned out to be the GTX 1080's fat ugly sister who drinks too much and needs expensive jewellery just to be seen in public.

Maybe more like the dog in thigh-high boots?