Editorial Linux Community Hit by the Blight of Social Justice Warfare, A Great Purge is Coming

[R0H1T]

I might be ripping stuff out of context, but who gives a shit whether you're black or transgender, when what you do is write code?
Am I missing something?

In all honesty a great purge is coming, but Linux isn't where the (first) major impact will be ~ it'll be the entire humanity! Things simply cannot go on the way they have over the last few decades, something has to give way.

 

[sepheronx]

Can the Editorial tag please be applied to the forum post as well? Because it is vital that everyone understands this is an editorial. A shitty editorial, solely designed as clickbait.



Big difference if a raandom person in a bar calls you a nazi and if your boss or coworker call you a nazi. And no shit she ran away, that is the dumbest defense I've seen in a while. "Hey, nazi!" "Yeah, so?"

So how are you to respond to it then? If you respond in trying to defend yourself, you will always be defending yourself. Her argument was pointless to begin with, like every social justice warrior. Just stop it right there like "yeah, so what?" it ends it quickly and it gets the point across that words are just that. Labeling someone with little to no basis is pointless.

 

[HTC]

In all honesty a great purge is coming, but Linux isn't where the (first) major impact will be ~ it'll be the entire humanity! Things simply cannot go on the way they have over the last few decades, something has to give way.

While i agree that steps should be taken to improve the situation, this ain't it.

We have a saying in Portuguese: "Ou 8 ou 80". This roughly translates into "from much too little to way too much". It seems whoever came up with this "Blight of Social Justice Warfare" never heard of "small steps" ...

 

[medi01]

I might be ripping stuff out of context, but who gives a shit whether you're black or transgender, when what you do is write code?
Am I missing something?

CoC can be used to ban people from saying something somewhere, it doesn't even matter where or who.
E.g. Damore would have been banned for "offending women".
As in a story of 2 guys talking to each other, making a joke about big dongle, which offended individual of a different gender, sitting two rows away and he ended up losing his job.


You are missing the real reasons behind it: exercise control, punish for wrongthink.

 

[R0H1T]

While i agree that steps should be taken to improve the situation, this ain't it.

We have a saying in Portuguese: "Ou 8 ou 80". This roughly translates into "from much too little to way too much". It seems whoever came up with this never heard of "small steps" ...

Well I'm not talking about Linux here, I see the larger point about this world & geo-political as well as socio-economic fabric of the world being torn to shreds. I'd love to bring how (excess) money & power has finally broken humanity but that's off topic.

 

[HTC]

Well I'm not talking about Linux here, I see the larger point about this world & geo-political as well as socio-economic fabric of the world being torn to shreds. I'd love to bring how (excess) money & power has finally broken humanity but that's off topic.

It should apply to all things really: one should never go from too little "control" to too much "control".

Small steps should be taken @ a time and, assuming they work as intended, more steps should be taken to improve, and so on.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Well I'm not talking about Linux here, I see the larger point about this world & geo-political as well as socio-economic fabric of the world being torn to shreds. I'd love to bring how (excess) money & power has finally broken humanity but that's off topic.

World does not turn around US.

Most of the world does not care. Including Silvio in Italy, migrant problems, lets look in Sweden and their election results, their ghetto areas and inability to cope with that, people start to get fed and far right gains power, so it is not only Italy, old EU suffers, Trump news, someone calling a friend Nazi(Godwins law triggered). The eastern block simply wont even bat an eye for that.

Open your eyes people, this is popular media. In the end conflicts will never cease to be, one day this, another that.

I support Linus and his work, ones calling him xxx should reconsider that. Each of us uses his work in our daily life, and thank him for that. Lets use CoC also here and ban those for life maybe, eh?

 

[R0H1T]

It should apply to all things really: one should never go from too little "control" to too much "control".

Small steps should be taken @ a time and, assuming they work as intended, more steps should be taken to improve, and so on.

Absolutely, it's control or power, perhaps an overreach of sorts. It's also a direct result of how certain things will be made an example of, like Al Franken IIRC.

This tug of War or ideological war between the right or left isn't going to lead anywhere, because the real power resides with politicians & even more than that it's concentrated where all the $ is. What will likely happen by the end of this "war" ~ it'll either be a sea change in the world, as we see it today, alternatively things will remain the same & most (if not all) of us will get back to our daily chores playing that game we never finished & all will be forgotten.

Real change only happens when all of us want it & most of us work towards bringing that (positive) change, sadly I see the latter as being the eventual outcome of this great "purge"

World does not turn around US.

Most of the world does not care. Including Silvio in Italy, migrant problems, lets look in Sweden and their election results, their ghetto areas and inability to cope with that, people start to get fed and far right gains power, so it is not only Italy, old EU suffers, Trump news, someone calling a friend Nazi(Godwins law triggered). The eastern block simply wont even bat an eye for that.

Open your eyes people, this is popular media. In the end conflicts will never cease to be, one day this, another that.

I support Linus and his work, ones calling him xxx should reconsider that. Each of us uses his work in our daily life, and thank him for that. Lets use CoC also here and ban those for life maybe, eh?

Why do you think this is just about the US or Trump? I never meant it that way & no I don't believe the entire right (or left) is the problem, perhaps extreme right or left but the vast majority of us are peace loving people, at least that's what I'd like to believe.

 

[Vya Domus]

I wish them good luck but social justice doesn't know how to write code.

 

[Easo]

What is this clickbaity rant about how the sky is falling? Needs some 1984 references to make it even more sparkly...
P.S.
Linus is a dick. We all know that. Saying the truth doesn't always excuse being a dick.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I've said most of what I want to say on this topic in the related thread. That said, I'm curious where the dust settles. Does Linux go back to their Code of Conflict or something else? Does it keep the current Code of Conduct? Does Linus fork Linux and the current branch of Linux becomes abandonware? Does Linux become mired with copyright so no one can reasonably use it without obtaining a crapload of licenses? I don't know.

Most SJW drivel didn't gain much traction because it burns itself out after a few weeks. This, however, could have lasting consequences because there's cascading legal ramifications.


Offtopic: the rise of the extreme right is a direct response (pushback) to the rise of the extreme left (which SJW falls under). The blatant disregard of precedent which defines the extreme left sows the seeds of chaos and instability. They have taken root in the Linux Foundation.

 

[siluro818]

Did that guy just wrote an article using the phrase "social justice warfare"? xD

I should have known the intellectual capacity of someone who uses "to begin with" to open every news item they write up to not be exactly up to snuff, but this is completely ridiculous!

Please consider apologizing to your readers mate...

 

[the54thvoid]

Equality is meant to be blind. I fully back anyone that speaks their mind when it's sanctioned by common sense. But if speech is used to divide, whether by left or right, we've failed.
Let's not call people out for wanting equality, but also, importantly, let's not fall to the sword of any form of identity protectionism. Humans are humans, that's all there is.

 

[TheLostSwede]

World does not turn around US.

Most of the world does not care. Including Silvio in Italy, migrant problems, lets look in Sweden and their election results, their ghetto areas and inability to cope with that, people start to get fed and far right gains power, so it is not only Italy, old EU suffers, Trump news, someone calling a friend Nazi(Godwins law triggered). The eastern block simply wont even bat an eye for that.

Open your eyes people, this is popular media. In the end conflicts will never cease to be, one day this, another that.

I support Linus and his work, ones calling him xxx should reconsider that. Each of us uses his work in our daily life, and thank him for that. Lets use CoC also here and ban those for life maybe, eh?

Sorry, but what ghetto areas are you talking about? You been there and experienced it by yourself? It's 98% hyped up by the media, mostly foreign media. There are a few, isolated spots where there is more shit going down, but there's no such thing as ghettos. If you think that, then you've never been to a ghetto.

 

[R0H1T]

I've said most of what I want to say on this topic in the related thread. That said, I'm curious where the dust settles. Does Linux go back to their Code of Conflict or something else? Does it keep the current Code of Conduct? Does Linus fork Linux and the current branch of Linux becomes abandonware? Does Linux become mired with copyright so no one can reasonably use it without obtaining a crapload of licenses? I don't know.

Most SJW drivel didn't gain much traction because it burns itself out after a few weeks. This, however, could have lasting consequences because there's cascading legal ramifications.


Offtopic: the rise of the extreme right is a direct response (pushback) to the rise of the extreme left (which SJW falls under). The blatant disregard of precedent which defines the extreme left sows the seeds of chaos and instability. They have taken root in the Linux Foundation.

Let's not kid ourselves, the extreme right & the extreme left have always been there. Trying to determine or define which came first is like trying to ascertain which was first ~ light or darkness.
The best approach IMO is to stay at the centre & support good ideas from either side.

 

[Solidstate89]

What is this garbage? Did I misclick and am now on Breitbart?

 

[GlacierNine]

What is this garbage? Did I misclick and am now on Breitbart?

I concur. The only thing that even makes this absurd, alarmist ridiculousness even hit that low bar of respectability is that the word "cuck" wasn't included.

What an absolute pile of garbage.

as much as I dislike the overly reactionary parts of the left wing (Which is a lot of them, and particularly on twitter), this editorial is just a transparent attempt to paint anyone who dislikes anything anyone else does as a control-freak or a lunatic, as if it's perfectly acceptable for people in positions of power and influence to wield that influence as a cudgel and to use it to destroy people they disagree with.

It's basically "If you're on the bottom of the pile and someone with more influence/power than you wants you to stay there, you have no business complaining about it, you best just suck it up sunshine, the world doesn't owe you a favour". As if that's not somehow not exactly the attitude that leads to authoritarianism and abuse of power.

 

[Valantar]

I might be ripping stuff out of context, but who gives a shit whether you're black or transgender, when what you do is write code?
Am I missing something?

This is the ideal, and really the whole point of implementing change like this. People all over claim to have these ideal and faultless meritocracies that are entirely immune to bias, and get all up in arms when people show and tell how they have coded bias into the very structure of their society, and how people not belonging to whatever "default" group (usually the majority group when the field was established, and thus usually white heterosexual males for any field established before the 1990s in the West) are judged more harshly, given less praise, held to different standards, or judged differently on identical work.

Freedom of speech is fundamental, but freedom of speech also entails responsibility for your words. If you want to be treated with respect, try treating others with it too. If someone tells you that your way of acting or talking is hurtful, disrespectful or derogatory towards them or others, the decent thing to do is to apologize and try to understand their point of view. It might be a bit uncomfortable, but it's really not very difficult, and it makes you a better person to boot. Lack of this (and the stranglehold on institutional power attributable to groups championing this type of behavior) is the exact reason why campaigns like this happens.

 

[dozenfury]

The extremely tilted political skew of this article really overwhelms the information that was trying to be passed. It reads more like a Infowars article than a tech news item from TPU. I hope that's something that gets addressed.

On top of that, people that use the cliche SJW term to attack others lose credibility quickly. Sure there are "SJW's" around and yes they can be annoying. But far more often the term is used (whether it's valid or not) to attack a person who expresses an opinion online that someone else doesn't agree with. "I like X and you don't (or vice-versa), well you're just a SJW..." - is usually how it goes. Just replace X with any current controversial topic.

More than anything to do with all that, I view this news as more concerning for the issues this could introduce if critical code is pulled.

 

[Vayra86]

Sorry, but what ghetto areas are you talking about? You been there and experienced it by yourself? It's 98% hyped up by the media, mostly foreign media. There are a few, isolated spots where there is more shit going down, but there's no such thing as ghettos. If you think that, then you've never been to a ghetto.

I still remember this one

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...etherlands-you-have-to-answer-questions-video

 

[Ferrum Master]

Sorry, but what ghetto areas are you talking about? You been there and experienced it by yourself? It's 98% hyped up by the media, mostly foreign media. There are a few, isolated spots where there is more shit going down, but there's no such thing as ghettos. If you think that, then you've never been to a ghetto.

I am usually in Stockholm twice a year. With each year it gets darker and darker. Bums around, foreign protests. I have many friends working in Sweden and also living there, Upsalla and the well known Rinkeby, you don't need to stroll there to find used syringes lying around(maybe I am unlucky) it is enough to see that in the city center. The places have changed. It is not like in WW2 ghettos as you imagine, the false calm feeling there? I am honestly laughing how giving living space to anyone have screwed your real estate business, they still live like bees in one cramped flat and sell out their flats for cosmic prices to poor students creating a bubble. The abuse of social benefit system. It is not only the press. It boils down there. Why your far right party won historically the biggest percent now? That's also media hype? Enough derail, I am sorry. As I said in my post, nobody cares... that's my point. Each country has their own problems.

Why do you think this is just about the US or Trump?

You simply mentioned in your previous post about this thing - world & geo-political. It is really not. I touched local issues in each region, they overshadow these things. And if it really doesn't touch us, we don't care really. We get touchy if it really touches us locally, as TheLostSweede took the bait. These things are unimportant for most of the world really.

Linus should do a fork. He said there like 20 active contributors really for Linux Kernel. I guess the vote will go inside there. And... empty seat usually doesn't remain like that for long.

 

[Vayra86]

I am usually in Stockholm twice a year. With each year it gets darker and darker. Bums around, foreign protests. I have many friends working in Sweden and also living there, Upsalla and the well known Rinkeby, you don't need to stroll there to find used syringes lying around(maybe I am unlucky) it is enough to see that in the city center. The places have changed. It is not like in WW2 ghettos as you imagine, the false calm feeling there? I am honestly laughing how giving living space to anyone have screwed your real estate business, they still live like bees in one cramped flat and sell out their flats for cosmic prices to poor students creating a bubble. The abuse of social benefit system. It is not only the press. It boils down there. Why your far right party won historically the biggest percent now? That's also media hype? Enough derail, I am sorry. As I said in my post, nobody cares... that's my point. Each country has their own problems.



You simply mentioned in your previous post about this thing - world & geo-political. It is really not. I touched local issues in each region, they overshadow these things. And if it really doesn't touch us, we don't care really. We get touchy if it really touches us locally, as TheLostSweede took the bait. These things are unimportant for most of the world really.

Linus should do a fork. He said there like 20 active contributors really for Linux Kernel. I guess the vote will go inside there. And... empty seat usually doesn't remain like that for long.

The biggest metropoles are always struck the hardest both by media coverage and by reality. The mistake is thinking those metropoles represent the world. Because they actually represent a very tiny world where we keep trying to fabricate a society with too little space to breathe, and too little time to get to grips with that reality...

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

While some may disapprove of this editorial, I'm glad it was published here. It shows that techpowerup isnt tied down or controlled by the threat of keyboard warriors from tumblr, unlike some sites like arstechnica.

Opinions like the authors are just as valid as everyone elses, and should be heard. A startling number of sites would NEVER allow this editorial to be published for fear of angering the wrong people.

I don't get it, what is this post about?

Can anyone translate this to human language for non native english speaking people?

People are using outrage culture (offensive, triggered, ece) to try and control other people and force them to fall in step with their political beliefs. These people are called SJWs.

These kinds of people have immense social pressure through crafty use of language, and people in general not wanting to be screamed at, and have their social lives smeared by, lunatics. A recent change to the way linux code is added allows a creator to redact their code from the kernel. So if someone pisses off SJWs in the coding world, they can be bullied (through threats to their career and social life typically) to remove their code from linux.

Doesnt make sense? Dont worry, it isnt supposed to. Identity politics dont make any sense, thats why the left in the US and the UK are struggling to maintain voter approval.

 

[Octopuss]

Way to show your ass by using a pejorative like "tranny" that's negative meaning is made especially clear given the context and tone in which you wrote your post (to say nothing of calling them an "it"). If only there was any point to reporting your post but given this awful op-ed is from a staff member, I doubt it would make any difference.

Found the local SJW. (confirmed by the reporting part)

But ok, I'll play your game for exactly one post: because this particular person is tranny.
Anyone else with such gender identity I would call, you know, "a person", because I don't give a shit about someone's gender if he acts like a human being. Not this one. This one is an asshole, and gives trans people a bad name. So in my world, it's a tranny I will mock (in my head that is).

P.S. I actually do know a person who made the real gender transition personally, and never once did I saw her/him yell SJW crap on social networks.

 

[Vayra86]

Way to show your ass by using a pejorative like "tranny" that's negative meaning is made especially clear given the context and tone in which you wrote your post (to say nothing of calling them an "it"). If only there was any point to reporting your post but given this awful op-ed is from a staff member, I doubt it would make any difference.

Stop baiting. Leave if you can't take words with implied negativism in without feeling offended.

The only good response here is 'did you notice what you just used to describe a transsexual'?

That would invite the writer to reflect And it would be cool if we could go about it that way instead of writing up silly CoCs!