NVIDIA Deploys GP104 GPU for GDDR5X version of GeForce 1060

[Prima.Vera]

So the 1080 GPUs junks that are garbage even to be branded as 1070, are re-cycled into the 1060 series and sold as new....
nGreedia never fail to amaze with it's callousness, greed and unscrupulous business...

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah no, something ain't adding up.

Are we really supposed to believe that after 2 years of producing Pascal, TSMC's yields have gone down, not up, to the point where they only are able to produce half-working GP104 chips? Nope.

So the only other option is that NVIDIA has killed off GTX 1070/1070 Ti/1080 production in favour of seriously neutering GP104 and putting it into this "GTX 1060 GDDR5X". But that doesn't make sense either: why take a chip that in its lowest-end configuration (GTX 1070) was paired with cheaper GDDR5 memory, and cut it down by half and pair it with more expensive GDDR5X? Why not just chop GP104 down a little less - say, to 1440 shaders - and leave it coupled with GDDR5, to create a GTX 1070 "lite" that would be able to convincingly beat the RX 590?

The only possibility I can imagine is that there is some f**kery with GP104's eight memory controllers that means they can't work with non-multiples-of-4GB GDDR5, but aren't limited in that way with GDDR5X - although that seems unlikely, since those controllers couple into 4 sets of 2 each for GDDR5 mode (4x 64-bit) and 8 sets of 1 each (8x 32-bit) for GDDR5X, so cutting the memory amount down to 6GB would imply 3x2 for GDDR5 which should work just fine.

More information is needed here.

I think its a safe bet that they are controlling and readjusting the inventory and product stack availability. And maximize yields at the same time.

They never wanted the 1080 to exist for too long. Full die, GDDR5X. That is why we got a 1070ti. Much easier, much cheaper, more leeway.

Today we have RTX and they desperately need to push it because it won't sell on its own, its a shitty deal no matter how you twist it. The 2070 is what they want to sell in place of the 1080's slot. In the meantime they can make super crappy 104's and still use them, they can get the worst bins and still use them. What's not to like? They still have a place for everything they've produced for Pascal, and they push the RTX market share on the high end. Win win.

 

[Recus]

So the 1080 GPUs junks that are garbage even to be branded as 1070, are re-cycled into the 1060 series and sold as new....
nGreedia never fail to amaze with it's callousness, greed and unscrupulous business...

Get lost hardware justice warrior.

 

[INSTG8R]

I mean if they have that many failed 104s and truly wanted to counter the 590 surely they could have left an extra TMU and actually made a 1060ti out of it? Seems kinda wasteful and a missed advantage on NVs part

 

[medi01]

IMO it should be called 1060 Ti or 1065. But we all know Nvidia, let's just make so damn many versions under the same model number, just to confuse those customers who don't know much about these.

3Gb 1060, 6Gb 1060, oh, faster 6Gb 1060.

Works very well in #cluelessbuygreen market.

 

[I No]

Boo hoo, nVidia is clearing stock.... big deal, I'm amazed how people keep digging for faults when the fact of the matter is simple, you get better performance from the products at that tier. Who gives a rat's ass if it's from a recycled Titan, what did you expect them to do with the extra inventory? Melt it down?
If it runs like a 1060 and performs like a 1060 then it's a 1060 no matter what die they use.... if the batch failed to be a 1080 then it fails to be a 1070 ti scrap it right? No you tone it down and sell it as the next best thing, it's not greed it's how the industry is supposed to run, it's all based on strategy, plus even if the dies were supposed to be full fledged 1080's it makes 0 sense to make a product that would cannibalize the sales of a new piece of hardware you're actively pouring money into, it's not a new practice, besides if you want 1080 performance the 2070 at the same price bracket fills the slot, don't know about you but I rather have new hardware rather than last gen's part for the same price.....

 

[FreedomEclipse]

So the 1080 GPUs junks that are garbage even to be branded as 1070, are re-cycled into the 1060 series and sold as new....
nGreedia never fail to amaze with it's callousness, greed and unscrupulous business...

I think your hate is misguided.... Binning is no different then what Intel and AMD do with their CPUs/GPUs. I dont know if they deliberately 'rip' GPU cores from dead cards or cards that have been RMA'd but determined not worth repairing but im guessing most of the chips are factory fresh.

What are they supposed to do with Chips that dont meet the grade for 1080s. or 1070s?? Just throw it in the trash?

::EDIT::

This 'trickle down' is good....It means that consumers might get an even more capable 1060 compared to the rest of the current 1060s available. Wouldnt you like it if you managed to pick up a GPU that overclocked really well?

By all means THIS is a good thing. though I really think they should rename the card GTX1065 instead as it will confuse the hell out of people. Some folks might only want the 5X GP105 variant rather than the old one. Not only does this mess with consumers. It mess with the people who reviewed the original 1060s but the difference is. Instead of downgrading the memory and the memory bus and not telling anyone about it. they beefed it up instead.

 

[I No]

3Gb 1060, 6Gb 1060, oh, faster 6Gb 1060.

Works very well in #cluelessbuygreen market.

Same can be said for Polaris 480=580=590, is it the moniker that they use that bothers you I wonder?

#stickersmakeadifference even though it's the same old die with the same old arch in it each year?

People buy what fits their needs and i'm sure calling them clueless to reinforce your narrow point of view won't help your case.

 

[INSTG8R]

I think your hate is misguided.... Binning is no different then what Intel and AMD do with their CPUs/GPUs. I dont know if they deliberately 'rip' GPU cores from dead cards or cards that have been RMA'd but determined not worth repairing but im guessing most of the chips are factory fresh.

What are they supposed to do with Chips that dont meet the grade for 1080s. or 1070s?? Just throw it in the trash?

But surely they don’t have to slash them down ALL the way to 1060? That’s the part I don’t get it, just a single extra TMU and they tidelly beat the 590 and get an actual “new” SKU that is actually appealing to customers.
But who know maybe users may have the opportunity to unlock them themselves. I got back all my TMUs on my Fury to get it back to full “X” So while I may be pie in the skying here If that was a possibility they would fly off the shelves too n

 

[FreedomEclipse]

But surely they don’t have to slash them down ALL the way to 1060? That’s the part I don’t get it, just a single extra TMU and they tidelly beat the 590 and get an actual “new” SKU that is actually appealing to customers.
But who know maybe users may have the opportunity to unlock them themselves. I got back all my TMUs on my Fury to get it back to full “X” So while I may be pie in the skying here If that was a possibility they would fly off the shelves too n

Well... Binning... If the chips dont make the grade for the 1080s, 1070Ti's, 1070s -- What should they do with them? Maybe these cards will perform even closer to a 1070 or ti version. Maybe they might even 'unlock' into a pseudo 1070. Who knows? But yes.. I edited my previous post in an agreement that it should be an entirely new SKu

 

[Vayra86]

But surely they don’t have to slash them down ALL the way to 1060? That’s the part I don’t get it, just a single extra TMU and they tidelly beat the 590 and get an actual “new” SKU that is actually appealing to customers.
But who know maybe users may have the opportunity to unlock them themselves. I got back all my TMUs on my Fury to get it back to full “X” So while I may be pie in the skying here If that was a possibility they would fly off the shelves too n

I think not making the 1060 much stronger than what AMD has on offer in the RX 590 is deliberate. Nvidia wants to push consumers to a higher tier. They have been actively pushing for that since the first Titan released, trying it from the 'top-down' by following up with a 780(ti), and since Maxwell they try to do it from the bottom-up with a GTX 970 that made a large perf/dollar jump. Now people are addicted to a higher performance level and their mind is on 'I need to upgrade to the next x70 at least, or its pointless'.

By handicapping/platforming the 1060's performance, and because the 1070 is hard to find at a reasonable price, the jump to an RTX 2070 is much easier, they kind of force it this way.

I seriously can't think of anything more plausible than this being Nvidia readjusting their stack and trying to normalize higher price levels with smart positioning of products. It falls right in line with their BS of 'lots of Pascal cards in stock', as if they didn't see it coming. Of course they did, and they also knew RTX was going to be a hard sell.

 

[m4dn355]

No that naming convention would have been better used for that inbred 9Gbps model.

Now, had the made a card that had 9Gb of GDDR5X it would've offer that cool WOW factor, but it won't have been anymore of a benefit than this.

 

[INSTG8R]

I think not making the 1060 much stronger than what AMD has on offer in the RX 590 is deliberate. Nvidia wants to push consumers to a higher tier. They have been actively pushing for that since the first Titan released, trying it from the 'top-down' by following up with a 780(ti), and since Maxwell they try to do it from the bottom-up with a GTX 970 that made a large perf/dollar jump. Now people are addicted to a higher performance level and their mind is on 'I need to upgrade to the next x70 at least, or its pointless'.

By handicapping/platforming the 1060's performance, and because the 1070 is hard to find at a reasonable price, the jump to an RTX 2070 is much easier, they kind of force it this way.

I seriously can't think of anything more plausible than this being Nvidia readjusting their stack and trying to normalize higher price levels with smart positioning of products. It falls right in line with their BS of 'lots of Pascal cards in stock', as if they didn't see it coming. Of course they did, and they also knew RTX was going to be a hard sell.

Yeah I suppose you’re right. There’s still the possibility of a 2060 and they want to sell up.

 

[I No]

By doing this AMD is actively contributing to the 2060 price, and I bet nVidia are well aware of this since AMD has nothing to counter the 2060 as far as the roadmap is showing. If the 2060 is supposed to give 1070 performance there's nothing stopping nVidia to ask 1070 pricing for the x60 line...

 

[Vya Domus]

Well, your statement is only partially right. The size of the die is not important. The GP104 is serving both high end (GTX 1080) and upper-mid range (1070 & 1070 Ti).

What we perceive as high end or not is purely subjective as that's based on stuff such as naming schemes and prices. Nvidia can call their products in whichever way they want and price them however they want as well, the same cannot be said about the actual silicon that they produce. What if Nivdia launched an RTX 2080 that was a 600$ and was as slow as a 1060 ? Would you still call that high end, it's a x80 part after all and it's also as expensive as it's other x80 predecessor. Do you not see why this would be a flawed way of viewing things ?

The Gx104 has for the last several families/ generations served the x70 and x80, not the 60’s.

See, you're doing it again associating something that is ultimately meaningless such as the name of the product to the piece of silicon behind it. Those are independent aspects that Nvidia link together through marketing and pricing.

 

[rtwjunkie]

What we perceive as high end or not is purely subjective as that's based on stuff such as naming schemes and prices. Nvidia can call their products in whichever way they want and price them however they want as well, the same cannot be said about the actual silicon that they produce. What if Nivdia launched an RTX 2080 that was a 600$ and was as slow as a 1060 ? Would you still call that high end, it's a x80 part after all and it's also as expensive as it's other x80 predecessor. Do you not see why this would be a flawed way of viewing things ?



See, you're doing it again associating something that is ultimately meaningless such as the name of the product to the piece of silicon behind it. Those are independent aspects that Nvidia link together through marketing and pricing.

Um, yeah, because that’s exactly how Nvidia uses the chips.

I think you need to brush up on their own naming conventions and where they fall.

 

[Vya Domus]

Um, yeah, because that’s exactly how Nvidia uses the chips.

I wonder why is it so difficult to understand that the manufacturing of chips predates the names what will be eventually associated with the products that they ship. Do you seriously believe Nvidia goes like : "Alright guys we need to come up with a x80 card, what do we do ?" and then they begin the development based on something as vague as an existing name ? If that's what you believe I am sorry to tell you but you don't understand one bit how these products come to be. Not that I am an expert working in the field either but this is fairly standard stuff.

I think you need to brush up on their own naming conventions and where they fall.

What's funny is that their conventions as you call them haven't been consistent over time, proving my point. Hell, there have parts that have disappeared from their product stack over time and new ones have been added, how does that work ? How does one take their naming convention as an undeniable truth when not even Nvidia has stuck with it.

I'll say it again , them using "high end" silicon in a "lower end" product is proof of what I claim. Don't believe one second that Nivida would actually ship silicon that's truly reserved for high end parts like this. Realize for once that this is a company in the business of manufacturing ICs where transistor count and die space matters above all else and most aspects of their products are dictated by those two features.

But you can continue to believe anything you want, namely that die space is unrelated to how a product stack is built. It that were true, the industry would collapse in an instant. Thank God that's not the case.

 

[medi01]

Same can be said for Polaris 480=580=590, is it the moniker that they use that bothers you I wonder?

Are you trolling or for real?
580% is 5% faster than 480, 590% is 10% faster than 580.
Where the heck does the confusion come from?

Should you think first, post second, perhaps?

 

[I No]

Are you trolling or for real?
580% is 5% faster than 480, 590% is 10% faster than 580.
Where the heck does the confusion come from?

Should you think first, post second, perhaps?

It's the same die you ignorant clueless person. No matter the moniker. A refresh is still a refresh. You're calling out nvidia's moniker out while strongly defending the same practice that AMD pulls.... Think before you post indeed

 

[medi01]

It's the same die

That's not the point, you clueless greenboi, the point is you have cards with significant performance differences, all called the same: 1060.

 

[I No]

That's not the point, you clueless greenboi, the point is you have cards with significant performance differences, all called the same: 1060.

Actually they are not. The offical moniker is GTX 1060 6Gb/3Gb. Otherwise that would be one heck of a lawsuit. If you can't bother reading the whole label that's on you. The new refresh will reflect the changes. You are aware of what you are buying.

 

[medi01]

Actually they are not.

Yes, they are.

You are aware of what you are buying.

I am aware what I am buying, unlike majority of customers and unlike vast majority of customer buying green. There is no other explanation of the success of 960.

 

[I No]

Yes, they are.

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I am aware what I am buying, unlike majority of customers and unlike vast majority of customer buying green. There is no other explanation of the success of 960.

Last time I checked Amazon is not nvidia, they are a retailer, if the naming isn't supplied by the retailer guess what? It's on the retailer. Again, if you bothered to click the links you supplied in the description it does mention the variant of the 1060 used it's even in bold Kapazität: 15.6" FHD (1920*1080) | GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5 you literally can't miss it.
So nVidia and AMD can name their products whatever they choose to see fit, they don't have to please you, nor me nor anyone else. It's only creating confusion if you're grasping at straws, which in this case you are. As for the 960's success you can base that on 2 things, nVidia's PR which is still in a far better place that AMD ever was and the fact that most of the contracts went towards nVidia instead of AMD from suppliers like Dell, HP etc etc for prebuilt systems, if you want to find fault at why the 380 didn't do a better job in the sales graph start pointing fingers to AMD's camp.

 

[Vya Domus]

As for the 960's success you can base that on 2 things, nVidia's PR which is still in a far better place that AMD ever was and the fact that most of the contracts went towards nVidia instead of AMD from suppliers like Dell, HP etc etc for prebuilt systems, if you want to find fault at why the 380 didn't do a better job in the sales graph start pointing fingers to AMD's PR camp.

What does PR have to do with OEM contracts and sales charts, is beyond me. You probably meant to say it was marketing that made the 960 a success.

 

[I No]

What does PR have to do with OEM contracts, is beyond me. You probably meant to say , it was marketing that made the 960 a success.

Read the post again, think you missed the part that did specify 2 things......... 1 being the PR second being the OEM contracts ...... they weren't supposed to be related that's why it's 2 things.........