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@Trekkie4 it's a shame your in the EU and not a bit closer to NZ otherwise I'd send ya an ATI Radeon HD2600XT 512MB GDDR4 PCIe card for the price of postage I have two and the long Crossfire bridge cables aswell

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@Trekkie4 it's a shame your in the EU and not a bit closer to NZ otherwise I'd send ya an ATI Radeon HD2600XT 512MB GDDR4 PCIe card for the price of postage I have two and the long Crossfire bridge cables aswell

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Nah, it's fine. But thanks anyway :toast:

To tell you the truth, I don't even have a dual PCIe (x16) board, so it wouldn't be of much use to me either way.
 

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F#%k, where's my DVI-HDMI cable?!

My AGP powerhorse is ready, but I'd need a cable. HD 3850 has just dual DVI and S-Video.
 
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I have some annoying problems with the rig I purchased on last page, the thing I hoped for (USB boot) somehow don't work. It just gave repetitive beep after POST when there is bootable USB drive is connected. So I resorted to install Windows using DVD and I only found Windows 7 DVD.

The 9550 overclocks like a champ, stock clock is 250MHz core and 200MHz memory, the core went all the way up to 450MHz, the memory is not so good at 243MHz (because using slow 256MB chips). But gaming didn't feel quite as snappy as I remember it should, everything feels jittery (like bad frametime), despite using 800x600 or 1024x768 resolution on the games I know it should run smoothly like Max Payne and MoHAA.

One thing I really wanted to test with this old GPU is Truform tech, ATi answer to tessellation back in the day. Back then when I'm using Radeon 9000 and 9600XT it didn't quite capture my attention because lack of exposure despite most of the games I loved at that time supports the technology! (RtCW, SS: TFE and SS: TSE, CnC Renegade, UT2004) I tried a couple of games, RtCW and SS: TSE for now. In RtCW whenever I enabled Truform, it just got reverted back and in SS: TSE the Truform setting is just greyed out. Very odd, GPU-Z driver detail marks N-patches as 'no' so I done some digging...

After few hours digging though various (old) site and forum threads, I found out that ATi for some reason decided to ditch Truform from their driver entirely starting from Catalyst 5.9. Sadly Windows 7 don't support such old driver, so I search for old stacks of CD boxes just to find Windows XP CD's, and I did! My dad keeps one stack of random XP/7/Linux of various versions inside CD/DVD for rainy days. Thank God for that!

After half an hour waiting for Windows to install, I installed all drivers and the crucial Catalyst 5.8 I needed (scouring for this driver alone took quite some time as a lot of mirrors has expires). I loaded up SS: TSE and bam! Truform is supported at last! Loaded up the Technology demo and go to the last room where it demonstrate what Truform can achieve and.....it was worth it. Seeing it side by side compared to non tessellated model truly shows what it can be achieved. Serious engine is very flexible too, you can chose to enable Truform on all models or the models the engine has specified. I read there is some artifacts like bloated/balooned model but I've yet to see it. I'll try to post some comparison pics if I have time, the PC isn't connected to the net.

Also gaming in Windows XP feels VERY snappy, like what I experienced back when using Radeon 9600XT. No more jittery performance and framerate is high as it should.
 
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Ive tried DNA, Omega before but I prefer stock Catalyst and use ATi Tray Tools to tweak driver.
 
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Just thought I'd stop by today & wish you guys a happy, fully compliant, non-corrupt & long-term upgradeable...






Brought to you by yours truly,


Seriously though guys, have a good one! :toast:
 
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Can you imagine I bought this for $1? It only had a bad cap near the power connector (G-Luxon, which is known to be crap) and a seized fan. It's a Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro 512MB, AGP8x. I tested it on a PCChips M848A (w/ DFI 748-AL BIOS) and it POST'd fine, no artefacts or anything.

Fan was some seized Powerlogic fan that had sealed bearing so I replaced it with another fan I had from a dead Winfast A7600GT.

Stay tuned by the way as these days I'm having a retro package coming over. It's going to be lots of fun.

Trekkie4 - nice P4P800 SE you got there, but can it keep up with my P4C800-E?:laugh:(jk)
 

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Ugh its starting to become an expensive hobby. I've been very itching to buy either X800Pro or X800XT PE. The XT PE close double the price of Pro (Pro RM80 ~USD19, XT RM149 ~USD36). I shouldnt...but cant resist...

Here is one truform model in Serious Sam The Second Encounter Technology demo. Sorry for camera pics as I dont have internet for the PC but you can see what Truform do if done correctly.
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Ugh its starting to become an expensive hobby. I've been very itching to buy either X800Pro or X800XT PE. The XT PE close double the price of Pro (Pro RM80 ~USD19, XT RM149 ~USD36). I shouldnt...but cant resist...

Here is one truform model in Serious Sam The Second Encounter Technology demo. Sorry for camera pics as I dont have internet for the PC but you can see what Truform do if done correctly.
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Wasnt Truform just tesselation? I had 9800 Pro back then, was kinda interesting..
 
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Wasnt Truform just tesselation? I had 9800 Pro back then, was kinda interesting..

Before the adoption of pixel shader-enhanced bump mapping methods such as normal and parallax mapping that simulate higher mesh detail, curved 3D shapes in games were created with large numbers of triangles. The more triangles are used, the more detailed and thus less polygonal the surface appears. TruForm creates a curved surface using the existing triangles, and tessellates this surface to make a new, more detailed polygonal model. It is designed to increase visual quality, without significantly impacting frame rates, by utilizing hardware processing of geometry.

TruForm was not significantly accepted by game developers because it ideally required the models to be designed with TruForm in mind. To enable the feature without causing visual problems, such as ballooned-up weapons, the models had to have flags identifying which areas were to be tessellated. The lack of industry-wide support of the technique from the competition caused developers to ignore the technology.

In later version of Catalyst drivers, the TruForm feature is removed.

Beginning with Radeon X1000 series, TruForm was no longer advertised as a hardware feature. However, Radeon 9500 and higher (as well as hardware supporting Shader Model 3.0) include Render to Vertex Buffer feature, which can be used for tessellation applications.[1] In the case of Radeon X1000 series, it supports binding up to 5 R2VB buffers simultaneously. Tessellation as dedicated hardware has returned in Xenos and Radeon R600 GPUs.
 
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Why no CrystalDiskMark or ATTO ?
 
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Guess I scored again?
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Acorp 6VIA81P w/ Pentium II 400MHz, SL357.

Already replaced the capacitors near the CPU with some nice Panasonic and Rubycon units from some discarded 2006-2007 motherboards:
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GPU in the first picture is a Radeon 9250 128MB I used to test the motherboard.
 
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Why no CrystalDiskMark or ATTO ?
The main reason is they both test both read and write... which isn't suitable for me. Those disks are not empty and I don't want to erase them. I need read-only test with low-level access (not influenced by data on the HDD) . HD Tune can do it and thats it. :)
 
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Sniped this guy off ebay for a decent price compared to what they usually go for. Seller had it listed as "For parts or repair" because the fan was not working. If you look closely you can probably tell why the fan didn't spin.

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MSI Geforce4 Ti 4200 8X 64MB

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After taking it apart I discovered that the heatsink fins detached from the base and slid forward into the fan. I didn't have any epoxy handy so double sided tape will have to do for now.

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The fan bearings were a bit stiff as well but a couple drops of oil fixed that. Works just like new now.

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The card overclocks pretty nicely on top of it all thanks to those 3.6ns Hynix DDR chips. I'll say it's just about as fast as a Ti 4800 though it can't quite do the same memory freq.

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Sniped this guy off ebay for a decent price compared to what they usually go for. Seller had it listed as "For parts or repair" because the fan was not working. If you look closely you can probably tell why the fan didn't spin.

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MSI Geforce4 Ti 4200 8X 64MB

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After taking it apart I discovered that the heatsink fins detached from the base and slid forward into the fan. I didn't have any epoxy handy so double sided tape will have to do for now.

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The fan bearings were a bit stiff as well but a couple drops of oil fixed that. Works just like new now.

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The card overclocks pretty nicely on top of it all thanks to those 3.6ns Hynix DDR chips. I'll say it's just about as fast as a Ti 4800 though it can't quite do the same memory freq.

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Ti4200 is probably THE best DirectX 8.1 card in existence! Apart from the fact they're very common & fairly easily accessible (among other, high-end models) they OC easily, and are usually capable of delivering performance much higher than what they're officially rated for, just like yours from the example above, or even my Leadtek A280. They're also literally universal & can easily be paired with just about any AGP-compatible system, regardless of the OS choice of even the game you're playing. I had mine working in DOS, Windows 98, and/or XP, it really doesn't make much difference TBH!

I only feel bad for not buying/grabbing more of them while I still had the chance... They're becoming somewhat rare nowdays, just like any other hardware from around the same period. Although, to be honest I /do/ have a spare Gainward Ti4200 doing absolutely nothing, and yes - it already has a new GPU fan/heatsink in place, but I've been keeping it for something "special" if & when I'll ever need it. Which (with all these other nVIdias & ATIs) isn't likely to happen any longer :(


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Ti4200 is probably THE best DirectX 8.1 card in existence! Apart from the fact they're very common & fairly easily accessible (among other, high-end models) they OC easily, and are usually capable of delivering performance much higher than what they're officially rated for, just like yours from the example above, or even my Leadtek A280. They're also literally universal & can easily be paired with just about any AGP-compatible system, regardless of the OS choice of even the game you're playing. I had mine working in DOS, Windows 98, and/or XP, it really doesn't make much difference TBH!

I only feel bad for not buying/grabbing more of them while I still had the chance... They're becoming somewhat rare nowdays, just like any other hardware from around the same period. Although, to be honest I /do/ have a spare Gainward Ti4200 doing absolutely nothing, and yes - it already has a new GPU fan/heatsink in place, but I've been keeping it for something "special" if & when I'll ever need it. Which (with all these other nVIdias & ATIs) isn't likely to happen any longer :(
True that, Ti420 was a legendary and exceptional card. I miss my Ti4200. Its an Abit Siluro Ti4200 but not the OTES version. It died while I heavily overclocked it and benching 3DMark2001SE :laugh: Sadly I can't find any Geforce4 Ti's on 2nd hand market. A lot of old cards are just bunch of Gefore2 MX'es and Geforce4 MX'es, along with Radeon 7000/7500 and 9200's.
 
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There is a GeForce 7950 GT for sale locally...what do you guys figure would be a fair offer on it? Looks like it's in near mint condition. I already own an X1900 AIW from this era...and owned ATI cards all throughout that time period (wish I still had X1950 GT AGP)...so what's missed out on all Nvidia cards all the way from the crap FX card I owned.,.until I purchased an 8600 GT SLI setup. All cards in between were missed.
 
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