AMD Radeon VII 16 GB

[Xzibit]

so out of stock ? who are those buyers? perhaps 1/4 FP64 at those price !

You compare it to Nvidia current RTX line up for FP64 its a steal for those workloads.

RTX 2080 Ti = 420.2 GFLOPS
RTX Titan = 509.8 GFLOPS
Radeon VII = 3,360 GFLOPS

If your looking to save money.

 

[Super XP]

I won't comment on the performance very much. RTX cards are very fast, so it was expected that Radeon VII will look relatively worse than Vega 64 did (Vega 64 matched 1080).

There are two more important things to take away:

1) The noise level is unacceptable
Is it the loudest card available today? Certainly near the "top". And it's an expensive, high-end model with 3 fans.
I wonder how AMD supporters feel about it? Do they think AMD lost contact with reality? Or maybe AMD simply doesn't respect their customers?

2) Many people kept saying that 7nm is the cure for all AMD problems. We get the first product and it clearly hasn't helped a lot.
Of course this node will get better over time, but AMD doesn't have time - Zen 2 is around the corner.

Radeon VII does good enough for PC Gaming, but its not necessarily a gaming card. And so far 7nm is looking great for the upcoming Zen 2. Let's see how Navi turns out, hopefully this GPU is enough to replace AMD's entire RX 500 lineup.

Like vega 14nm this card was never aimed for gaming, compute workload in disguise is what has always been.

Correct, but they are marketing the cards as gaming cards.
Perhaps they shouldn't market them this way.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Buggy and unstable driver has been reported by many reviewers

It's AMD, of course the day-0 drivers are a mess, there would be no finewine otherwise!

 

[Metroid]

Correct, but they are marketing the cards as gaming cards.
Perhaps they shouldn't market them this way.

On dx12 radeon vii is not as bad as it looks on dx11, regarding them marketing as a gaming card, AMD would never say is for compute workloads as investors would not like it, smart gamers are settling down for rtx 2060 price performance. I'm betting on Navi to deliver.

 

[Jism]

Why? Undervolting or not, it's still not good value.
And undervolting will hurt your stability.

voltage

Actually, more voltage will cause degradation over time. Less voltage will do less degradation. However these cards are build for a lasting 3 to 5 to 8 years or so before slowly giving the crap. You can safely undervolt any CPU or GPU within margins. It's correct that a UV on a game might be fully stable but once using other resources on the GPU like for example video encode the thing could crash. That's why undervolting should be done with alot of precaution at least. At 1090mv my RX580 is perfectly stable in games for HOURS from the original 1150mv. But going to Radeon LIVE and on screen recording crashes it. I need to dial back into 1110mv to get her fully stable.

With just lowering to 0.40mv i saved a 30 watts on total consumption (Furmark), which is of course, free performance.

 

[Super XP]

On dx12 radeon vii is not as bad as it looks on dx11, regarding them marketing as a gaming card, AMD would never say is for compute workloads as investors would not like it, smart gamers are settling down for rtx 2060 price performance. I'm betting on Navi to deliver.

Hopefully the 7nm Navi will be enough to further accelerate Radeon GPU adoption. I heard that Navi may be a new design? Or highly enhanced/modified and be offered in both GDDR6 and HBM2.

 

[Vayra86]

Hopefully the 7nm Navi will be enough to further accelerate Radeon GPU adoption. I heard that Navi may be a new design? Or highly enhanced/modified and be offered in both GDDR6 and HBM2.

Navi so far is smoke and mirrors. All I'm hearing is problems and that we will not even see MCM designs anytime soon. If that is the case, Navi is nothing other than Vega in disguise.

 

[efikkan]

Actually, more voltage will cause degradation over time. Less voltage will do less degradation.

Try reading my second post again.
I know the difference between degraded hardware and stability issues. All hardware degrades over time, and requires more voltage remain stable, which is why hardware is running with marginally higher voltage than they need initially. Higher voltage beyond a certain limit does of course increase the degradation of hardware, but undervolting the hardware doesn't prevent this.

 

[Fluffmeister]

You compare it to Nvidia current RTX line up for FP64 its a steal for those workloads.

RTX 2080 Ti = 420.2 GFLOPS
RTX Titan = 509.8 GFLOPS
Radeon VII = 3,360 GFLOPS

If your looking to save money.

Good point, it's kinda late to the game as a gaming card, so I guess this is a positive spin.

Compute card is not great for gamers so those that use FP64 should buy it instead. Wow.

 

[Super XP]

Navi so far is smoke and mirrors. All I'm hearing is problems and that we will not even see MCM designs anytime soon. If that is the case, Navi is nothing other than Vega in disguise.

At this point, who knows. But one thing I know for a fact, AMD is hard at work because they are in need of a RX 580 successor fast.
This is what I know about Navi.
* Multi-Chip Design
* Infinity Fabric
* 7nm
* GDDR6 & HBM2 variants.
* AMD has been Lab Testing 7nm Navi, and its supposedly performing better than expected. This based on a source by Fudzilla, which has been right a lot more than not.
* Supposedly going to be called RX 680, RX 690 etc.,
* Launch Date - May/June 2019 & Release Date - July 2019.

 

[notb]

Makes me wonder why they only allowed the REF model and did not allow partners to change the cooler.

This card may be important as a statement for AMD. AIBs don't need it. You think it would be profitable for them to design a 300W cooling solution for few thousand cards (spread among 5+ big AIBs)?

AMD basically ordered a container of these, called the AIBs and asked if they want to put a sticker on it.
I doubt they make any money out of it (maybe if AMD is paying them for marketing).

It is worth mentioning that this is the first "top" model from AMD in recent years that don't come close to their Nvidia counterpart in performance, so in essence we can call this their largest fail yet.

True. We got used to the fact that the top "Ti" is out of range, but 390X matched 980 and Vega 64 matched 1080 (at least on performance).
I do believe it has more to do with Turing being awesome than Radeon VII being bad, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. The gap grows.

At this rate next AMD gen will be competing with Nvidia's 3070. That would basically mean Nvidia being able to make notebook GPUs that outperform AMD's 3-fan ovens. Sad.

TSMC "7nm" is a very large die shrink, and should allow for some substantial gains. The fact that AMD seem to only get ~25% more performance is quite remarkable, and far away from their >40% goal. As you pointed out, many think the node shrinks will equalize the differences between AMD and Nvidia, but in fact, it will have the opposite effect, as more efficient architectures will scale even better. We also have to remember that this might be the last "good" node shrink in a while, and Nvidia haven't used it yet…

Exactly. 7nm should be a big improvement and turned out to be expensive sh*t.
This is very weird indeed. Totally not in line with what AMD and TSMC have been telling us.

TSMC 7nm is either very immature at this point and it needs a lot of time to be polished or it only works for small, low-voltage chips.
Which would basically mean TSMC isn't as far ahead of Intel as many thought.

Maybe if AMD did a 7nm RX570 successor, it would shine in performance and efficiency. But they pushed this architecture as far as they could and ended up with this junk.
Mind you, if 7nm is very expensive and makes these GPUs unprofitable, a "maxed-out" limited edition was the better choice than a sensible mid-range one...

But let's mention CPUs once again. This card is such bad news for Zen 2.
There was already a leak that 8-core 7nm Ryzen will retain the ~100W TDP level. Everyone was like: "Naaah, AMD has already done this before. 8-cores on 7nm won't go past 60W and the future 12- and 16-core will also have 100W TDP". But looking at Radeon VII, I do believe in the 100W power draw. Which means 16-core Ryzen will pull 160W just like Threadripper. Not a big deal, but also not the miracle we've been promised.

a proper UV won't hurt it.AMD cards do have proper voltage control.

If they had such great voltage control and big margins, AMD would tune them properly in the factory.
What you actually wanted to say is: AMD has high quality variance.

 

[Vya Domus]

All I'm hearing is problems and that we will not even see MCM designs anytime soon.

MCM starts making sense when you are close to the end of the life cycle of a node and you can no longer pack any more transistors into a single die while maintaining a certain cost/power envelope. In other words MCM will be reserved for the moment when you need to build the absolute fastest GPU you can make and nothing else can get you there.

That being said there is no reason AMD has to push for this right now, we are at the beginning of 7nm and there is still a lot of headroom left for monolithic GPUs.

 

[Super XP]

Well this is interesting?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-navi-everything-we-know,38242.html

The Radeon RX 3080 will supposedly employ AMD's Navi 10 silicon produced with TSMC's 7nm FinFET manufacturing process. It also comes equipped with 8GB of GDDR6 memory and a modest 150W TDP (thermal design power) rating. Performance-wise, the Radeon RX 3080 is believed to be 15 percent faster than AMD's current Radeon RX Vega 64 graphics card. The Radeon RX 3080 is expected to carry a $249.99 (~£197.55) price tag.

If this is true, WOW.

 

[moproblems99]

Navi is nothing other than Vega in disguise

If this ends up being true...it will be a sad day.

 

[M2B]

If this is true

It's not.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Yeah AdoredTV dreams, if true it will instantly render this Radeon VII turkey dead:

As always for AMD fans, I suggest you keep waiting.

 

[Super XP]

It's not.

You seen that is what we don't know. But multiple sources state Navi seems to be performing above expectations. This includes Fudzilla sources and wccftech sources.

Yeah AdoredTV dreams, if true it will instantly render this Radeon VII turkey dead:

As always for AMD fans, I suggest you keep waiting.

It seems to me this Radeon VII turkey (LOL) is a stop gap till the Navi is released. OR its simply a disguise to help catch Nvidia off guard haha

 

[M2B]

This includes Fudzilla sources and wccftech sources.

Don't trust them.

 

[Vya Domus]

It's not.

It is.

Which one of us is right ?

 

[Super XP]

Don't trust them.

I do, because most of what they've reported on were correct or very close to the facts. The same goes for wccftech.

It is.

Which one of us is right ?

 

[notb]

Radeon VII does good enough for PC Gaming, but its not necessarily a gaming card.

It's not a workstation card either.

And so far 7nm is looking great for the upcoming Zen 2. Let's see how Navi turns out, hopefully this GPU is enough to replace AMD's entire RX 500 lineup.

How do you know it is looking great? You've seen it? Or are you judging by the marketing materials we've been fed with? Because what they said about 7nm GPUs was also rather optimistic.

Well this is interesting?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-navi-everything-we-know,38242.html
If this is true, WOW.

No offense man... I understand you like the brand and so on.
But you can't be so naive to think that in few months AMD will release another 7nm GPU with half of Radeon VII power consumption and for 1/5th of the price.

 

[qubit]

@W1zzard wrote: "Gaming noise levels are just way too high; the fans ramp up very quickly and become a nuisance mere seconds after putting some gaming load on the card. If you compare this to NVIDIA's offerings, it'll be a day-and-night difference! If you value low noise, the Radeon VII is definitely not for you."

I can't believe this. Just how does AMD manage to screw this up on a $700 flagship card when it's a solved problem?! When AMD have released so many generations of graphics cards over the last 15 years or so? When NVIDIA gets it right, or at least reasonably right, on all their reference cards?

This right here is a dealbreaker, even forgetting about all the other limitations I pointed out in my earlier post. This card is yet another underwhelming lemon.

If it was sold at around two thirds to half the price then it might start to become viable. Maybe. Personally, if someone gave the thing to me for free, I'd eBay it straight away and put that money towards a GTX 2080.

Someone at AMD needs to be fired, they really do.

I wait with baited breath for when AMD do a Zen on their graphics cards and gives us genuine choice and competition to NVIDIA.

 

[M2B]

It is.

Which one of us is right ?

The one who uses his brain.

 

[FYFI13]

GTX 1070 ? How did you get that out of this review?

*GTX 2070. GTX2000 series cards are so overpriced, that sometimes i forget they exist.

 

[Super XP]

It's not a workstation card either.

How do you know it is looking great? You've seen it? Or are you judging by the marketing materials we've been fed with? Because what they said about 7nm GPUs was also rather optimistic.

No offense man... I understand you like the brand and so on.
But you can't be so naive to think that in few months AMD will release another 7nm GPU with half of Radeon VII power consumption and for 1/5th of the price.

I was under the impression that Navi is a GPU Re-Design. All based on what I've read from TechPowerUp, Toms Hardware, Fudzilla, wccftech, Anandtech, HotHardware, PC Gamer, PCGames, TechRadar, HEXUS, Guru3D, Digital Trends, KitGURU, etc.,

Of course, we will simply have to wait and see...

This 7 days ago...
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-7nm-competitive-advantage-2019
AMD claims 7nm is a “big competitive advantage” over its rivals in 2019