trying the near impossible... most powerful GOD BOX in a miniITX case

[thebluebumblebee]

@lexluthermiester , @notb , remember that this is a 2P system. That 384 GB of RAM is divided between the two processors so, effectively, they each only have 192 GB. oops

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester , @notb , remember that this is a 2P system. That 384 GB of RAM is divided between the two processors so, effectively, they each only have 192 GB.

While this is true, both sets of ram are unified in a single address space and each CPU can address the other CPU's ram.

 

[venturi]

The pool is fully available to applications from either thread system, unless it’s Numa and the config specifies otherwise

So there really is 384 that can be addressed regardless of cpu bucket

Also there is cache in die, snoop, qpi etc

So the pool is available beyond the bounds of one cpu or the other


Example

4x gpu, 2 gpus are laned to each processor, but an app that addresses all 4 gpus can use them across the cpu lanes and memory.
Otherwise you’d have two separate PCs

 

[lexluthermiester]

"unless the video work is 2160p"
Hello 2014?
Yeah, 4K can be dealt with using around 64GB RAM. You'll need double that for comfortable 8K editing.
And while you're at it, why don't you check the bitrate of raw 4K footage, e.g. ARRIRAW?

I have 24GB in my editing system and it barely tops 11GB with 1080p@3072kbps. I've thought about going up to 48GB but just don't see the need.

 

[notb]

@lexluthermiester , @notb , remember that this is a 2P system. That 384 GB of RAM is divided between the two processors so, effectively, they each only have 192 GB.

That's a very surprising theory from a senior member. ;-)

I have 24GB in my editing system and it barely tops 11GB with 1080p@3072kbps. I've thought about going up to 48GB but just don't see the need.

3072 kbps? A typing error?
3072 kbps is orders of magnitude less than even some consumer cameras can put out.
If you're building a workstation for high-end video editing, 64GB is the minimum for 4K. And 4K is the minimal resolution used today, to be honest. Other than that, it's the matter of workflow.

With the multi-core setups we can build today, you're really encouraged to run few sessions parallelly. A lot of software won't utilize more than 3-4 cores. As shown by Puget, there's really not that much gain in Premiere Pro when moving from 8 to 16 cores (maybe 20%). So you run 2+ sessions and the RAM needs go up.
I work mostly in R and it's the same story. It's a lot cheaper to just get more RAM and run multiple sessions than to waste time on forcing the code to use more resources. But hey - you're a fan of our new many-core reality. You should know this. ;-)

 

[Jetster]

I love the way the SSDs are mounted. I would want that case except for the dust

 

[notb]

I love the way the SSDs are mounted. I would want that case except for the dust

Surprisingly, dust is not a big problem with open cases with large airflow (as in this case). It kind of vacuums itself.

I'd be more worried about mechanical damage and fluids.
I try not to eat near the PC, but I almost always have something to drink. Yesterday I sneezed few seconds after a sip of a shake and spent the next 10 minutes cleaning the keyboard and the screen.
So yeah... had I kept an open-case PC on my desk, this could have been the most expensive sneezing in my life.
I guess it could have been much worse... since sneezing can actually kill you while driving.

 

[Jetster]

I use to not have any dust. Then my daughter moved home with her two cats

 

[Berfs1]

How the hell did u get 4 Titan v ceos, let me clarify, 1 is difficult enough, but 4?!?! HOWWWWW

 

[XXL_AI]

That's a very surprising theory from a senior member. ;-)

3072 kbps? A typing error?
3072 kbps is orders of magnitude less than even some consumer cameras can put out.
If you're building a workstation for high-end video editing, 64GB is the minimum for 4K. And 4K is the minimal resolution used today, to be honest. Other than that, it's the matter of workflow.

With the multi-core setups we can build today, you're really encouraged to run few sessions parallelly. A lot of software won't utilize more than 3-4 cores. As shown by Puget, there's really not that much gain in Premiere Pro when moving from 8 to 16 cores (maybe 20%). So you run 2+ sessions and the RAM needs go up.
I work mostly in R and it's the same story. It's a lot cheaper to just get more RAM and run multiple sessions than to waste time on forcing the code to use more resources. But hey - you're a fan of our new many-core reality. You should know this. ;-)

1080@24p 3072kbps is more than enough for hevc encoding or VP9.

you don't need 64GB ram if you have access to pascal, volta or turing gpus, extract the raw footage as avi (which in size can take up to a TB) then compress it with gstreamer/ffmpeg or already available tools from nvidia. most of the video encoders, including extremely overpriced and underperforming adobe suite doesn't really support gpu video decoding & encoding.

 

[Splinterdog]

It's both a labour of love and a work of art.

 

[venturi]

How the hell did u get 4 Titan v ceos, let me clarify, 1 is difficult enough, but 4?!?! HOWWWWW

I wish!

It’s 1 Titan V 32gb as primary and 3x Titan v regular
As cards 2,3,4

Beyond playing games, the rig gets used on occasion for work, and since there are 36 hours in a day, I also went back to school and I’m doing my dissertation on deep learning for clinical decision support / diagnostic imaging (still deciding on CNN & algorithms).





4 Titan v ceo would have meant I had 20% of all existing ceo cards in the world, there are only 20

I love the way the SSDs are mounted. I would want that case except for the dust

I really don’t have a dust issue. A can of air on occasion does the trick

(we don't have pets, rugs, cloth furniture...just three kids (4 if you include me )

 

[notb]

1080@24p 3072kbps is more than enough for hevc encoding or VP9.

you don't need 64GB ram if you have access to pascal, volta or turing gpus, extract the raw footage as avi (which in size can take up to a TB) then compress it with gstreamer/ffmpeg or already available tools from nvidia. most of the video encoders, including extremely overpriced and underperforming adobe suite doesn't really support gpu video decoding & encoding.

Video editing is not encoding. Encoding is literally just saving the result.

As for the RAM needs:
When you edit a photo/video file, data in RAM is uncompressed and usually takes a lot more space than the RAW file does on the disk.
RAW contains all the data read from the sensor, which is 1 value per pixel. It's flat and with minimal sufficient bit depth. Some compression is also possible.
After you read a RAW into RAM, it is interpolated to RGB (3 values per pixel) and has a larger bit depth.
It's a huge difference. For most RAW formats in use today, photos will take 3-8 times more space once read into RAM. Video bitrate will increase as well.

And of course this is not limited to multimedia. Most file formats use some compression (encoding).
For example: popular databases will compress data to ~50% on average. But if you have specific data and a specific DB engine, you may see much higher gains.
Yesterday a friend at work asked me for help with a query - the error message said there wasn't enough RAM, which looked weird since the tables were 10GB total. It turned out one of them had over 1000:1 compression ratio, so yeah... 256GB of RAM wasn't enough.

So don't be shocked by the amounts of RAM in workstations and servers. Just because they have 384 GB of RAM doesn't mean they won't choke on a 16GB input.

But this is really OT, so let's end it here. If you want to discuss video/photo editing, we can make a separate thread. I'll be happy to help.

 

[venturi]

So, a small update

my original question was:

what is "Asus Engine Booster"? (no, its not the Asus OC tune setting) in the bios


I called Asus Tech Support again, and had to start a ticket (got a case number) just to find out what Asus Engine Booster (and the sub-settings) does. It has been bumped / escalated twice but no one knows yet.

I just got an email that my case has been closed and to please fill out customer satisfaction survey.

Seriously?

They closed the case? The only response I got was that it was being escalated.

Customer satisfaction survey? How about a flaming bag of poop?

 

[notb]

So, a small update

my original question was:

what is "Asus Engine Booster"? (no, its not the Asus OC tune setting) in the bios


I called Asus Tech Support again, and had to start a ticket (got a case number) just to find out what Asus Engine Booster (and the sub-settings) does. It has been bumped / escalated twice but no one knows yet.

I just got an email that my case has been closed and to please fill out customer satisfaction survey.

I don't have your mobo (or any ASUS one, for that matter), so I can't even check whether you've spelled that correctly.
Thing is... google hasn't really heard about "Asus Engine Booster" either.
So there's a good chance it does nothing. Do you have a beta BIOS or something like that? Where did you get your mobo from?

Maybe "closed ticket" basically means that somewhere in Taiwan an e-mail was sent: "hey Peter, remember that feature we tested in December, but cancelled in the end? We forgot to remove it from the BIOS menu. Drop it in the next update."
Although, it's quite unlikely that the guy is "a Peter"...

The sad part here is that C621E SAGE is a very niche board. They don't sell many of them and, despite the "premium" segment and high price tag, it may not get as much Quality Control/Testing love as the mainstream models.
There's like 38 mln people in my country and there are literally 3 of these available in online stores here.

 

[lexluthermiester]

3072 kbps? A typing error?

Not at all. That is actually above the specs really needed by H264/H265 for good picture production. Most movies converted from Bluray that have solid picture fidelity only require 2048kbps. So 50% more is over-kill.

 

[Mussels]

I've been watching netflix, and the netflix made TV shows are only 3Mb/s at 1080p - because they're using the new codecs (HEVC/H265) decrease the bandwidth needed.

Good luck dealing with asus tech support... its so rare to find good tech support for PC hardware, other than warranty replacements

 

[venturi]

I don't have your mobo (or any ASUS one, for that matter), so I can't even check whether you've spelled that correctly.
Thing is... google hasn't really heard about "Asus Engine Booster" either.
So there's a good chance it does nothing. Do you have a beta BIOS or something like that? Where did you get your mobo from?

Maybe "closed ticket" basically means that somewhere in Taiwan an e-mail was sent: "hey Peter, remember that feature we tested in December, but cancelled in the end? We forgot to remove it from the BIOS menu. Drop it in the next update."
Although, it's quite unlikely that the guy is "a Peter"...

The sad part here is that C621E SAGE is a very niche board. They don't sell many of them and, despite the "premium" segment and high price tag, it may not get as much Quality Control/Testing love as the mainstream models.
There's like 38 mln people in my country and there are literally 3 of these available in online stores here.

Well actually it’s a mainstream bios, and it does a lot of great things that other duallie bioses/boards don’t: so-vor, virtual disk host/ , OC, voltage control, mgpu setup, etc

The booster does use more power (which I don’t mind) and performance increases but since it’s an OC board I wanted to know where and how it’s applying more juice

The board has also an OC menu that has its own voltage controls, so the new tab is for something more: with as much money as thing costs I’d like to know what and how the feature works

 

[notb]

Well actually it’s a mainstream bios, and it does a lot of great things that other duallie bioses/boards don’t: so-vor, virtual disk host/ , OC, voltage control, mgpu setup, etc

I've meant that I haven't seen an ASUS BIOS for a while (since P5G41 ). And when I ask google about "asus engine booster" it returns 4 results - half pointing to your forum posts... Hence the theory, that maybe you're the only person in the world that can see it. ;-)

 

[thebluebumblebee]

You'd think they'd have better customer support for those who buy a nearly $600 motherboard.

JayzTwoCents just got the ASUS ROG Dominus W3175X, ($1,800) which seems to be a sister board to the one you have. I think you should contact him and ask him about ABE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FaskdjZQvdk

 

[venturi]

You'd think they'd have better customer support for those who buy a nearly $600 motherboard.

JayzTwoCents just got the ASUS ROG Dominus W3175X, ($1,800) which seems to be a sister board to the one you have. I think you should contact him and ask him about ABE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FaskdjZQvdk

That is a great idea, basically that is just the single board version of the c621e. Awesome suggestion, I will do that

 

[notb]

You'd think they'd have better customer support for those who buy a nearly $600 motherboard.

They should and they likely do. I doubt these halo products are profitable anyway.

It's just a matter of priorities.
There's a problem in mainstream H/Q370 mobo - millions of PCs may malfunction => huge problem for the company. Red flags, crisis meetings and everything.
There's a problem with a halo mobo like this one... well, hopefully they won't forget about the 73 people that bought it, but you shouldn't expect much...

 

[Berfs1]

I wish!

It’s 1 Titan V 32gb as primary and 3x Titan v regular
As cards 2,3,4

Beyond playing games, the rig gets used on occasion for work, and since there are 36 hours in a day, I also went back to school and I’m doing my dissertation on deep learning for clinical decision support / diagnostic imaging (still deciding on CNN & algorithms).





4 Titan v ceo would have meant I had 20% of all existing ceo cards in the world, there are only 20



I really don’t have a dust issue. A can of air on occasion does the trick

(we don't have pets, rugs, cloth furniture...just three kids (4 if you include me )

Oh man I was hyped! Oh also, if you don’t mind, could you DM me in Instagram or twitter with stock specs of the Titan v ceo? Also, do you know if it is able to SLI with other regular Titan Vs? Super cool build!

I've meant that I haven't seen an ASUS BIOS for a while (since P5G41 ). And when I ask google about "asus engine booster" it returns 4 results - half pointing to your forum posts... Hence the theory, that maybe you're the only person in the world that can see it. ;-)

it might be a auto overclocking feature related to either the cpu’s VRMs (as in, overclocking the VRM controller’s for cleaner power) or the GPU (yes, motherboard features like this do exist)

 

[theonek]

A very expensive hobby! Even NASA don't have such pc's!

 

[PerfectWave]

amazing work man!