The costs of Intel gaming vs AMD gaming, who wins? Actually Intel this round, cheaper and faster.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Hardware Unboxed tested the Core i5 9400F. Of the games they tested,Kingdom Come Deliverance and BFV,the Core i5 9400F had stuttering.

Tests are done with the included box coolers.

In the UK the Ryzen 5 2600 is £20 cheaper than the Core i5 9400F,and the Ryzen 5 3600 is not only quicker now,but also 1% lows are much better in newer games.

 

[Vario]

The +$40 is kind of a gimmick. May as well include 8700 (non-k) for $300.

 

[cucker tarlson]

9400f falls flat on the face when it comes to min. fps,although I have no idea why on earth they're not counting avg. fps as part of the value,neither do they count oc headroom on 9600k or add the igpu as added value.
9400 seems like great value 60-75 fps/home rig cpu,nothing more.
3600 I see as a decent entry-level high refresh gaming option,though only a placeholder for something faster once a ryzen cpu arrives that can actually get to 4.8ghz

 

[advanced3]

I jumped on the AMD bandwagon, I think its only taken 3 weeks for me to want to switch back to Intel.

 

[eidairaman1]

I jumped on the AMD bandwagon, I think its only taken 3 weeks for me to want to switch back to Intel.

Why?

 

[cucker tarlson]

I jumped on the AMD bandwagon, I think its only taken 3 weeks for me to want to switch back to Intel.

what cpu did you "upgrade" from ?

 

[advanced3]

Why?

I have had a lot of general stability issues. Sometimes my mouse pointer disappears, Games freeze, What settings work today sometimes don't work the next, Last night the PC kept locking up even at Default settings upon entering Windows. Poor overclocking, I haven't seen this CPU once reach its advertised boost speed (4.4). High Idle temp spikes 50c with a X62. Super high idle voltages 1.45+ Installed newest CH7 BIOS last night so we'll see if anything improves.

what cpu did you "upgrade" from ?

My "Upgrade" was more of an itch to build a new PC. I haven't built an AMD computer since the FX-57 single core days, I came from a 5.2Ghz 7700k, Its all still here so I may just switch back. I originally went to Micro center for the 3900x, but was sold out so grabbed the 3700x to play with.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I have had a lot of general stability issues. Sometimes my mouse pointer disappears, Games freeze, What settings work today sometimes don't work the next, Last night the PC kept locking up even at Default settings upon entering Windows. Poor overclocking, I haven't seen this CPU once reach its advertised boost speed (4.4). High Idle temp spikes 50c with a X62.



My "Upgrade" was more of an itch to build a new PC. I haven't built an AMD computer since the FX-57 single core days, I came from a 5.2Ghz 7700k, Its all still here so I may just switch back.

man that sucks,though there's a lot of talk about those issues,maybe you should've waited a little longer until they're fixed.
how is performance?
you may wanna go back to 7700k until ryzen is usable.

are you sure this is not somehow down to your cooler making bad contact and temps too high ? x62 is the best clc atm, 50 in idle is ridiculous,I'd expect 50 in gaming.

 

[eidairaman1]

I have had a lot of general stability issues. Sometimes my mouse pointer disappears, Games freeze, What settings work today sometimes don't work the next, Last night the PC kept locking up even at Default settings upon entering Windows. Poor overclocking, I haven't seen this CPU once reach its advertised boost speed (4.4). High Idle temp spikes 50c with a X62. Super high idle voltages 1.45+ Installed newest CH7 BIOS last night so we'll see if anything improves.



My "Upgrade" was more of an itch to build a new PC. I haven't built an AMD computer since the FX-57 single core days, I came from a 5.2Ghz 7700k, Its all still here so I may just switch back. I originally went to Micro center for the 3900x, but was sold out so grabbed the 3700x to play with.

Oh Asus, go figure

 

[cucker tarlson]

why can't mobo manufacturers do something right at launch for a change.......

 

[advanced3]

man that sucks,though there's a lot of talk about those issues,maybe you should've waited a little longer until they're fixed.
how is performance?
you may wanna go back to 7700k until ryzen is usable.

are you sure this is not somehow down to your cooler making bad contact and temps too high ? x62 is the best clc atm, 50 in idle is ridiculous,I'd expect 50 in gaming.

Performance is roughly the same @ 3440x1440 in game.

I'm definitely going to reseat the cooler, but im almost 100% sure its mounted correctly. Idle temps at the moment under 100% fan speed on the X62 sits between 45-55c.

Heres the thing this CPU idles @ auto voltage anywhere between 1.4-1.5v causing high idle temps. Once stressed (cpuz stress test) voltage drops to 1.36v, clocks drop to 4.1GHZ and temps stay around 74c.

 

[eidairaman1]

Performance is roughly the same @ 3440x1440 in game.

I'm definitely going to reseat the cooler, but im almost 100% sure its mounted correctly. Idle temps at the moment under 100% fan speed on the X62 sits between 45-55c.

Heres the thing this CPU idles @ auto voltage anywhere between 1.4-1.5v causing high idle temps. Once stressed (cpuz stress test) voltage drops to 1.36v, clocks drop to 4.1GHZ and temps stay around 74c.

Tbf i dont run auto voltages on anything cpu related, try dropping it manually to 1.32-1.36 and see.

There are plenty of how to videos to tune any platform on youtube.

 

[advanced3]

Tbf i dont run auto voltages on anything cpu related, try dropping it manually to 1.32-1.36 and see.

There are plenty of how to videos to tune any platform on youtube.

I can overclock, this CPU will do 4.3 all core, but no lower than 1.4v. Its set to all default now because of updating the BIOS. Im just amazed to see such high voltage on auto when the PC is pretty much doing nothing. Im watching on Ryzen Master the voltage bounce between 1.45-1.5v and temps @ 45-55c.

Even running 4.3 @ 1.4v doesnt help much. The idle maybe slightly lower, but its now higher under load because constant voltage.

 

[HD64G]

I can overclock, this CPU will do 4.3 all core, but no lower than 1.4v. Its set to all default now because of updating the BIOS. Im just amazed to see such high voltage on auto when the PC is pretty much doing nothing. Im watching on Ryzen Master the voltage bounce between 1.45-1.5v and temps @ 45-55c.

Even running 4.3 @ 1.4v doesnt help much. The idle maybe slightly lower, but its now higher under load because constant voltage.

I hope you have installed the latest AMD chipset driver and applied the AMD power profile in windows. Might help in those issues me thinks.

 

[advanced3]

I hope you have installed the latest AMD chipset driver and applied the AMD power profile in windows. Might help in those issues me thinks.

Yes and Yes, still the same.

 

[cucker tarlson]

does amd have any equivalent of xtu ? should do it for the short term.

 

[Ruru]

does amd have any equivalent of xtu ? should do it for the short term.

Ryzen Master afaik, don't use any software OC myself though.

 

[cucker tarlson]

software oc is a lot more convenient.

 

[advanced3]

I resat the cooler and reapplied thermal paste (MX-4 laying around) didn't improve anything. @1.4v under CPUZ stress test sees temps @ 84c. Id hate to see what they hit with the stock cooler..... Fans are @ 75% and pump @ 100%

 

[cucker tarlson]

I resat the cooler and reapplied thermal past some (MX-4 laying around) didn't improve anything. @1.4v under CPUZ stress test sees temps @ 84c

it's clearly buggy bios

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

@advanced3, all AGESA (AMD micro code) issue. High idle temp is because of high stock voltage. High voltage, whea error, unplayability of Destiny 2, not reaching advertised clock speed everything.

Amd will will release a new agesa, motherboard vendors will edit it and release as bios update, you (luckily not me for at least a week) "lucky" beta testers will flash the update and report it to AMD HQ at r/Amd.

And the wheel goes round and round.

 

[advanced3]

@advanced3, all AGESA (AMD micro code) issue. High idle temp is because of high stock voltage. High voltage, whea error, unplayability of Destiny 2, not reaching advertised clock speed everything.

Amd will will release a new agesa, motherboard vendors will edit it and release as bios update, you (luckily not me for at least a week) "lucky" beta testers will flash the update and report it to AMD HQ at r/Amd.

And the wheel goes round and round.

Hopefully it gets straightened out at some point. I am on the newest ASUS BIOS. It seems odd that at idle its running its highest voltage and clocks, I'll keep it running as my main gaming PC, but I may switch back to the 7700K at some point.

 

[Psychoholic]

Here's what fixed idle voltages and temps for me (May also fix WHEA Errors)
-Anything in bios that has an "auto" and "normal" for voltages be sure to set it to normal.
-Set Power profile to "high performance" (Not ryzen high performance) and change min and max processor states to 1 and 100 respectively.

My 3800x idles in the 30s and vcore is under 1.0v

 

[Ruru]

I'll keep it running as my main gaming PC, but I may switch back to the 7700K at some point.

4c/8t on a gaming rig instead of 8c/16t in 2019?

 

[advanced3]

Ya but 5.2Ghz all core and much lower temps... I really wanted to like this CPU too. I basically threw $160 away on this cooler when the stock would of yielded similar results. I am now wondering how much this cooler would improve the 7700k temps over my old H105.