Did you get a shiny new Ryzen 3000 CPU?

[yesyesyes]

Ryzen 3600 on a B450 Steel Legend motherboard, everything up to date, not a single problem in the world. All core boost goes to 4.2. Temps rarely go over 60. No CPU overclocking or modified settings. What's up with you guys buying a new CPU or new motherboard just cuz you try to overclock and don't know how. There is a very specific guide on this website, coupled with a very good DRAM Ryzen Calculator. Plenty of demo's online. Go to that thread and try to fix your timings there. Don't forget that the manufacturers XMP profile on the DDR is sometimes completely off and won't boot at those timings.
Tips:
on asrock BIOS: modify the XMP profile first timings, reboot, modify AMD CBS timings if anything is wrong, reboot, remove XMP profile from OC panel and do more tweaking in AMD Overclock if you wanna push it.
readings: Don't use anything else but AMD Ryzen Master for all your readings, everything else is wrong. correct Temps only provided by ryzen master!!!
use the DRAM calculator (as per everyone's instructions), and try either V1 or V2. follow this thread and read it in it's entirety.
The only way to test your RAM improvements are his Memtest, that is already included in the DRAM Calc. If you have any problems, just post your configuration and screenshots. He is usually quite responsive.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yeah, first thing I would do if you're having stability issues is disable XMP.
I haven't had that running stable on any of my two AMD rigs that I've had.
Also, remember the Ryzen 3000 (and possible all Ryzen chips) don't like odd CAS timings at all.
Otherwise it seems like you can in general run your memory on much tighter timings on Ryzen 3000 compared to the Intel rated XMP profiles.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Used the Mem calculator for both my kits, none of them are stable at those settings...even for the safest...

I think it is not the best thing to assume that people that have issues don't try to find solutions or are not applying the existing ones...some issues are just there and I am an IT technician and I have the knowledge but for someone that does not this would be much more frustrating so I am stating my case...Intel had no issues running my Corsair Vengeance 3200mhz xmp profile ...AMD can't (2 motherboards tested) and the memory is on the MB QVL

I will get a 3rd kit to test...

 

[tabascosauz]

Ryzen 3600 on a B450 Steel Legend motherboard, everything up to date, not a single problem in the world. All core boost goes to 4.2. Temps rarely go over 60. No CPU overclocking or modified settings. What's up with you guys buying a new CPU or new motherboard just cuz you try to overclock and don't know how. There is a very specific guide on this website, coupled with a very good DRAM Ryzen Calculator. Plenty of demo's online. Go to that thread and try to fix your timings there. Don't forget that the manufacturers XMP profile on the DDR is sometimes completely off and won't boot at those timings.
Tips:
on asrock BIOS: modify the XMP profile first timings, reboot, modify AMD CBS timings if anything is wrong, reboot, remove XMP profile from OC panel and do more tweaking in AMD Overclock if you wanna push it.
readings: Don't use anything else but AMD Ryzen Master for all your readings, everything else is wrong. correct Temps only provided by ryzen master!!!
use the DRAM calculator (as per everyone's instructions), and try either V1 or V2. follow this thread and read it in it's entirety.
The only way to test your RAM improvements are his Memtest, that is already included in the DRAM Calc. If you have any problems, just post your configuration and screenshots. He is usually quite responsive.

Did you just join TPU just to assume that our problems are related to overclocking or timings? I mean, if you've at all read the past few pages...

It has been stated multiple times that Ryzen 3000's idle characteristics are in question here. Furthermore, what's to say your chip isn't simply a better luck of the draw than mine? I can barely push 4.0 at 1.3V, and someone said 1.34V was the max safe voltage at max load.

Also, a 3600 is not a 3600X, and neither is it a 3700X, so while the fact that yours doesn't exceed 60 (which in itself doesn't mean anything unless you're running OCCT and P95 like I am) is great news, it doesn't mean much.

Anyhow, welcome to TPU.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Used the Mem calculator for both my kits, none of them are stable at those settings...even for the safest...

I think it is not the best thing to assume that people that have issues don't try to find solutions or are not applying the existing ones...some issues are just there and I am an IT technician and I have the knowledge but for someone that does not this would be much more frustrating so I am stating my case...Intel had no issues running my Corsair Vengeance 3200mhz xmp profile ...AMD can't (2 motherboards tested) and the memory is on the MB QVL

I will get a 3rd kit to test...

It's just a tool, as I've pointed it out, it gives me worse timings than my memory can run at. However, I had a kit of Corsair memory that I couldn't run anywhere close to the timings it gave me. Even on this new rig, it would not post over 3000MHz and it was a 3200MHz kit.

I really think it's your Corsair kit, as you're far from the first that's having issues with Corsair memory and Ryzen processors, QVL or no QVL. My Corsair kit is on the AMD QVL, but it was a no good. I have some "cheap" Patriot Viper Steel memory now and it works way beyond my expectations. You can't compare Intel and AMD when it comes to RAM compatibility, unfortunately.

As such, as a starting point, to try to figure out where the potential blue screen issue is, start by now enabling XMP and set the memory up manually.

As for your odd core hot spots, it's not something I've experienced and clearly an unrelated issue. It shouldn't cause any problems though, weird as it may be, but also keep in mind that the Ryzen 3000 chips fluctuate like crazy when it comes to CPU temps and can jump 20 degrees in a matter of seconds.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

It's just a tool, as I've pointed it out, it gives me worse timings than my memory can run at. However, I had a kit of Corsair memory that I couldn't run anywhere close to the timings it gave me. Even on this new rig, it would not post over 3000MHz and it was a 3200MHz kit.

I really think it's your Corsair kit, as you're far from the first that's having issues with Corsair memory and Ryzen processors, QVL or no QVL. My Corsair kit is on the AMD QVL, but it was a no good. I have some "cheap" Patriot Viper Steel memory now and it works way beyond my expectations. You can't compare Intel and AMD when it comes to RAM compatibility, unfortunately.

As such, as a starting point, to try to figure out where the potential blue screen issue is, start by now enabling XMP and set the memory up manually.

As for your odd core hot spots, it's not something I've experienced and clearly an unrelated issue. It shouldn't cause any problems though, weird as it may be, but also keep in mind that the Ryzen 3000 chips fluctuate like crazy when it comes to CPU temps and can jump 20 degrees in a matter of seconds.

Already done that, XMP or not the BSOD's are happening and I can run Stress tests for hours without a problem. In my PC now I have a Kit of GSkill Aegis 3000mhz SAMSUNG B die...same issues. Lots of people go through this over the internet...it is just annoying

 

[TheLostSwede]

Already done that, XMP or not the BSOD's are happening and I can run Stress tests for hours without a problem. In my PC now I have a Kit of GSkill Aegis 3000mhz SAMSUNG B die...same issues. Lots of people go through this over the internet...it is just annoying

And you're running that kit on stock settings?
Also, which UEFI are you on?

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

And you're running that kit on stock settings?
Also, which UEFI are you on?

Latest BIOS F4j also set the settings manually for the XMP as it won't boot by itself, I had to increase voltage to 1.36 and set calibration to Level 3 in BIOS for the RAM ... I will get probably the same "cheap" Patriot Viper Steel kit 3600mhz and see how that goes


I am running out of options...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Latest BIOS F4j also set the settings manually for the XMP as it won't boot by itself, I had to increase voltage to 1.36 and set calibration to Level 3 in BIOS for the RAM ... I will get probably the same "cheap" Patriot Viper Steel kit 3600mhz and see how that goes

I am running out of options...

Very odd, I would hang on for AGESA 1.0.0.4, as it should be out with in the next week or so from Gigabyte.
It seems like you have an unreasonable amount of issues though.

 

[Space Lynx]

LOL, no it doesn't. That is the point TLSwede is trying to make. Correlation is not causation!

well I am going back to playing games on Game Pass with no crashes or issues at all. /shrug take care

 

[TheLostSwede]

well I am going back to playing games on Game Pass with no crashes or issues at all. /shrug take care

Go on, be that guy...
The games don't crash, the issues is with the Xbox app being a POS, but yeah, you have some reading comprehension issues so...

 

[tabascosauz]

Latest BIOS F4j also set the settings manually for the XMP as it won't boot by itself, I had to increase voltage to 1.36 and set calibration to Level 3 in BIOS for the RAM ... I will get probably the same "cheap" Patriot Viper Steel kit 3600mhz and see how that goes

I am running out of options...

Are Core 2 and 6 clocking the same as the rest under load, or are they pulling more voltage? I wonder if they're either the best cores by a significant margin so the chip pushes them harder, or if they're the worst cores by a large margin and just suck at their job.

Coincidentally, my board actually automatically gives my Trident Z sticks 1.36V. I think they're 1.35 sticks? After my CPU started being given 1.4V at CPB load I didn't have time to notice the RAM volts.

Consistency has never been a strong suit of Ryzen but this time around AMD is really going the Ford way in quality control...search up 2018 5.0 oil consumption and 5.0 / 3.5EB VCT rattle. Sucks because just like the 5.0, the 3700X is such a great SKU in theory. The 5.0's inadequacies robbed me of more than ten grand in the end, so let's hope Ryzen doesn't take after it.

Sadly, I got my 3700X barely 2 weeks before the Game Pass offer hit stores. At this point, this is a regular feature of my luck.

 

[Space Lynx]

Go on, be that guy...
The games don't crash, the issues is wit the Xbox app being a POS, but yeah, you have some reading comprehension issues so...

not really, I have 0 issues with the app too. and all games downloaded fine.

 

[Tomgang]

About ryzen boost clock and why they dont boost fully out at times. Asus employed has spoken out about it and according to him, AMD has made boost less aggressiv to improve the cpu´s life span.

Ryzen 3000: AMD deliberately limited Boost behavior in favor of longevity, says Asus staff

An Asus employee gas mentioned that AMD has reduced the boost behavior of the Ryzen 3000 processors to a more moderate level as it was too aggressive and now is a bit more limited in favor of longevit...

www.guru3d.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

well I am going back to playing games on Game Pass with no crashes or issues at all. /shrug take care

Both my AMD and Intel system run the xbox beta with zero issues. Sorta surprised people are having issues with it at all. All games download at pretty decent speeds 0 crashes etc.

 

[Space Lynx]

Both my AMD and Intel system run the xbox beta with zero issues. Sorta surprised people are having issues with it at all. All games download at pretty decent speeds 0 crashes etc.

nice to know it can be confirmed a specific issue for swedes setup and not AMD alone. cheers for sharing mate

 

[EarthDog]

nice to know it can be confirmed a specific issue for swedes setup and not AMD alone. cheers for sharing mate

what?

Wasnt it you who pinned amd to the wall on this not believing anyone else?

I think maybe your issues are AMD hardware related, AMD seems to have a lot of bugs in general still, which is why I am holding off on my build.

if I have 0 issues with the same app on intel/nvidia... it probably means its AMD related, same as to when (and still) Destiny 2 has issues with latest Ryzen..

but the strongest evidence points to an AMD issue.

 

[TheLostSwede]

nice to know it can be confirmed a specific issue for swedes setup and not AMD alone. cheers for sharing mate

And you're now on my ignore list...

About ryzen boost clock and why they dont boost fully out at times. Asus employed has spoken out about it and according to him, AMD has made boost less aggressiv to improve the cpu´s life span.

Ryzen 3000: AMD deliberately limited Boost behavior in favor of longevity, says Asus staff

An Asus employee gas mentioned that AMD has reduced the boost behavior of the Ryzen 3000 processors to a more moderate level as it was too aggressive and now is a bit more limited in favor of longevit...

www.guru3d.com

That's one of their overclockers, not sure that should be taken as gospel. Shamino is a nice guy and all, but he clearly doesn't run the motherboard department at Asus. Let's wait and see what AGESA 1.0.0.4 delivers.

My CPU wouldn't boost 1MHz past 4,400.25MHz until I installed UEFI F5o (which is a beta release), but has since boosted to 4,525MHz at times, so it's clearly an issue that can be fixed.

 

[Space Lynx]

what?

Wasnt it you who pinned amd to the wall on this not believing anyone else?

this was before new information entered, aka oxru sharing his experience with Game Pass. sorry you don't understand context...

 

[EarthDog]

this was before new information entered, aka oxru sharing his experience with Game Pass. sorry you don't understand context...

Pot calling the kettle black much? Dear God man are you oblivious... you disregard 2+ others and then suddenly 'get it' with a rando and tosses out barbs that dont land in the process. SMFH. You made a leap of faith blaming AMD when there wasn't any worthwhile evidence to say so with confidence... you fell short of the other side.

If it really was an AMD issue, wouldn't you see multiple (like a lot) of posts here about such a thing...AMD and Windows XBox gaming doesn't work and you hear from ONE guy? Come on man, you know better than that!

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Cores all at 100%, temps only high on 2 cores especially high on the second core

Also just turned on my pc opened the web browser and got this

 

[TheLostSwede]

Cores all at 100%, temps only high on 2 cores especially high on the second core

Also just turned on my pc opened the web browser and got this

That's driver related, not hardware related. Hard to say which driver, but something is going on that's not CPU or memory related.
I would start by taking out the sound card and see if the crashes continues and then try to eliminating things one by one if that's not it.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Replaced CPU, Motherboard, RAM twice...installed fresh windows. Still getting this and a few others, these are repeating and are not in order. Have the latest drivers...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Replaced CPU, Motherboard, RAM twice...installed fresh windows. Still getting this and a few others, these are repeating and are not in order. Have the latest drivers...

Yes, so that leaves your soundcard and any other piece of hardware that's not on the motherboard.
The driver is from 2015, if you're using the one from Asus, so I suspect that is the issue, but it might not be.
Add to that, the current issues with sound drivers in Windows 10 and it might be the perfect storm.
You're free to ignore my advice, but this is a driver related BSOD.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Yes, so that leaves your soundcard and any other piece of hardware that's not on the motherboard.
The driver is from 2015, if you're using the one from Asus, so I suspect that is the issue, but it might not be.
Add to that, the current issues with sound drivers in Windows 10 and it might be the perfect storm.
You're free to ignore my advice, but this is a driver related BSOD.

I am using the integrated one at the moment, did not install the DGX after I've re-installed Windows
I get other error messages as well...I've seen people on the internet complaining about this issue, unfortunately I've tried everything and nothing works...