RyZen 3000 Boost Issue: What's your take?

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

XFR is a CPU feature, not motherboard or chipset one.
PBO is overclocking and voids warranty. PBO is intended to go past stock boost clock. Besides, my board does have PBO settings in the UEFI.

Because it is lower teir ,three generations old and not ecpected to be overclocked too much.

Anyway once this bug is bios patched maybe you will get lucky.

 

[Nordic]

It's official, it's a firmware bug.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1168901636162539536

I am very happy they have acknowledged it and plan to implement a fix.

 

[eidairaman1]

Here you go.

AMD Issues Statement on Low Ryzen 3000 Boost Clocks, BIOS Update Soon

After AMD's Ryzen 3rd generation launch many users have reported that they are not seeing the advertised boost clocks that AMD promises in their specifications. This has been an ongoing issue, with various tweaks tried, with limited success. This lead to serious allegations about "false...

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[Chrispy_]

Really bad poll. Super biased options.

Where's the option of "I don't care because Intel and Nvidia do the same thing as well", eh?

 

[kartoffelotto]

i wonder what my apparently golden sample cpu will do after the fix

 

[phanbuey]

it would be cool if they let you control the floor p state. just boost to 4.5 and then base at 4.1/4.0 that way you could even OC/undervolt for the base clock and still get the boost when you need it.

 

[jesdals]

Well I cant complain, but is running 4500MHz all core instead

 

[phanbuey]

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Well I cant complain, but is running 4500MHz all core instead

those minimums tho

 

[kartoffelotto]

ryzen master reports even lower minimums, i wonder how much of this issue is really just the software used for reading the clocks

 

[londiste]

those minimums tho

Minimums are fine. 2.1GHz is high enough as it is. At idle my Ryzen easily goes down to 300-400mhz.

 

[Nordic]

those minimums tho

It is actually pretty cool that amd completely turns off cores when they aren't needed.

 

[FinneousPJ]

It is actually pretty cool that amd completely turns off cores when they aren't needed.

Yeah and it's still faster than their legendary K5 CPU.

 

[xkm1948]

We shall wait and see if the incoming BIOS fix solve this problem.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I think you've read some other forum than TPU, as I don't think anyone here is expecting all core boost to 4.6GHz, but when not even one core gets within 100MHz of boost, something is weird.

Read my points above-

What I read in forums is this = I can't get to X speed on all cores/threads, PBO doesn't hit the max clocks....
Yes, all power saving features and everything need to be set defaults. You change anything, you loose that single core boost. f
ROG PBO level 2 increase max all core, increased voltage and more heat.

AMD releases bios = Newbs Fri chips/boards on B350s lol.
Hope it doesn't turn out to be a nightmare. Who knows what's going to happen.

All core boost 4.6ghz 1.4250v and no post? Hangs?

These stupid chips are optimized to the max right from the box. Stupid hot, 0 to go spike of 20-30c maybe more for some people. Max Temp 95c, smell PCB melting.....

My opinion doesn't quite matter to some. I've taken look at Zen+ white papers. HighTemp alarm is at 70c. If yous running stock and hit that temp, fan blades 100%. You people really should be careful running these chips hot. (just my opinion.)

Do believe that's page 255 of the Open-Source Register Reference for AMD Family 17h processors models 00h-2Fh

HiTempDec combine to specify the high temperature threshold. See 6.2.5 [SB-TSI Temperature and Threshold Encodings]. Reset value equals 70 °C.

https://developer.amd.com/wp-content/resources/56255_3_03.PDF

Yes the temp may be slightly different for Ryzen 3000, but I wouldn't think much more than give/take 5c. White papers I have not seen yet.

 

[Nordic]

What I read in forums is this = I can't get to X speed on all cores/threads, PBO doesn't hit the max clocks....

Where? Who is saying this? I am one of the people who can't reach the advertised max boost clocks and I am not saying that.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Where? Who is saying this? I am one of the people who can't reach the advertised max boost clocks and I am not saying that.

Whos not saying it?
Isnt it everyones expectation of all core boost to hit max freq?
Perhaps not.
I read 4.2ghz wall on a lot of chips..... Being running all cores where overclockers try to overclock.
What some 4.4ghz is a good chip?

At what state does 50% of people alter a bios setting to improve performance?

 

[Nordic]

Whos not saying it?
Isnt it everyones expectation of all core boost to hit max freq?
Perhaps not.
I read 4.2ghz wall on a lot of chips..... Being running all cores where overclockers try to overclock.
What some 4.4ghz is a good chip?

At what state does 50% of people alter a bios setting to improve performance?

I would like to inform you that the ryzen boost issue is about the vast majority of ryzen 2 cpu's not being able to reach their advertised max boost clocks. For example, my 3900x hits a wall at 4525mhz and under nominal conditions can not reach the advertised 4600mhz boost speed. We are not discussing all core boost.

 

[biffzinker]

Mine's boosting like it should but seems too aggressive with scaling the clock speed back when all cores are loaded.

Idle

Single Thread/Core Loaded

All Cores 12 Threads Loaded

 

[NoJuan999]

My 3700x didn't quite hit 4.4 GHz but it does hit 4.375 GHz on two cores:

I am perfectly happy with that BUT if they release an BIOS (AGESA/SMU) update to get me more performance I will certainly try it.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I would like to inform you that the ryzen boost issue is about the vast majority of ryzen 2 cpu's not being able to reach their advertised max boost clocks. For example, my 3900x hits a wall at 4525mhz and under nominal conditions can not reach the advertised 4600mhz boost speed. We are not discussing all core boost.

I saw your post in another thread where despite the single core boost issue, you where still happy with the product.

So then AMD fixes with a bios update (where there may be boards that don't need this "fix") for single core boosts, and every one is going to think their all core boosts should get higher as a result. See above where the all core boost is a must in demonstration.

So much information is lacking.
Which Motherboard makes and models work, which ones don't work. It's a bios issue? Has anyone tried a different bios previous or after the one they use now?
Which of the B series chihpsets don't work? Which of the X series chipsets don't work?

Does single core boosts even matter to those tweaking with PBO?
Aren't we always after that all core boost for those R20 scores?
Don't see much PiMod being compared any more. I think single core epeen went out the window once we saw SMT hit big with AMD consumers. lol

 

[Nordic]

I saw your post in another thread where despite the single core boost issue, you where still happy with the product.

This is true. I am still happy with the product and would reccomend it to others. AMD still has a product not reaching its advertised boost conditions under nominal workloads.

So then AMD fixes with a bios update (where there may be boards that don't need this "fix") for single core boosts, and every one is going to think their all core boosts should get higher as a result. See above where the all core boost is a must in demonstration.

You are making an assumption about the future and arguing as if it is true. This is putting the cart before the horse. We are not talking about all-core boost.

So much information is lacking.
Which Motherboard makes and models work, which ones don't work. It's a bios issue? Has anyone tried a different bios previous or after the one they use now?
Which of the B series chihpsets don't work? Which of the X series chipsets don't work?

We KNOW that AMD found a bug in the firmware. This is a CPU issue.
We KNOW that some motherboard vendors have improved the situation with a bios update.

Does single core boosts even matter to those tweaking with PBO?

Tweaking PBO does nothing for me since I can not get above 4525mhz. I can tell it to set the max boost overclock to +200 higher but that doesn't change that I can't go higher than 4525mhz.

Aren't we always after that all core boost for those R20 scores?

Yes we want higher all core boost too. All core boost does not appear to be broken. I can manipulate the all core boost with voltage and temperature. Simply lowering the cpu temperature can increase all-core boost. Again, we are not talking about all-core boost. This thread is discussing the Ryzen 3000 Boost Issue which does not involve all-core boost. To be honest, it is frustrating to be having a conversation about single core boost in line with the topic when you keep bring up all core boost. It is not on topic and not relevant to the problem at hand.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I see.
Well I mention it because people keep posting it with images even! Read again, see the must to included all core loads.

Am hoping AMD resolves the boost issue. Really I do.

Personally I care less about boosting. I prefer to manually set my pc up.

Ive actually been on the hunt to get TDP to 50w or lower and passively cool. But that experiment is on a different topic...

Was thinking to start a Ryzen delid thread. Just hopefully wont get too much negative feed back though... Wanna talk about something constructive.

 

[eidairaman1]

I saw your post in another thread where despite the single core boost issue, you where still happy with the product.

So then AMD fixes with a bios update (where there may be boards that don't need this "fix") for single core boosts, and every one is going to think their all core boosts should get higher as a result. See above where the all core boost is a must in demonstration.

So much information is lacking.
Which Motherboard makes and models work, which ones don't work. It's a bios issue? Has anyone tried a different bios previous or after the one they use now?
Which of the B series chihpsets don't work? Which of the X series chipsets don't work?

Does single core boosts even matter to those tweaking with PBO?
Aren't we always after that all core boost for those R20 scores?
Don't see much PiMod being compared any more. I think single core epeen went out the window once we saw SMT hit big with AMD consumers. lol

eyeoval has been doing sc boost since gen 1 ci possibly c2, no one griped about that.

I understand with any overclocking it's a box o chocolates-never knew my 8350 would do 5G without trying, since a bios update is coming for the gripers, great.

And last I recalled they said it was up to a certain clock speed not guaranteed

 

[Deleted member 185158]

eyeoval has been doing sc boost since gen 1 ci possibly c2, no one griped about that.

I understand with any overclocking it's a box o chocolates-never knew my 8350 would do 5G without trying, since a bios update is coming for the gripers, great.

And last I recalled they said it was up to a certain clock speed not guaranteed

Since when is overclocking ever guaranteed? Because it overclocks "boosts" for you?

I see the reason they gripe. That's not my point..... my point is, do any of them actually care?? Like for real the end of earth because it's one quarter multiplier short of max single core boost? lol please. 98% of them want/need ALL of the cores to at the maximum speed possible.

So you're right. They are just griping. BUT I agree, AMD should hold up to the speed said on the box.
I don't agree that most people actually give a (word I can't use). It's all just FB acting skills. Get real.

Or be a man. Have a beer, say oh well the single core doesn't boost. Have another beer, enjoy gaming. It won't be single core boosting anyways lol.

 

[X800]

This got posted by der8auer on youtube.

AMD just released this statement: “AMD is pleased with the strong momentum of 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ processors in the PC enthusiast and gaming communities. We closely monitor community feedback on our products and understand that some 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen users are reporting boost clock speeds below the expected processor boost frequency. While processor boost frequency is dependent on many variables including workload, system design, and cooling solution, we have closely reviewed the feedback from our customers and have identified an issue in our firmware that reduces boost frequency in some situations. We are in the process of preparing a BIOS update for our motherboard partners that addresses that issue and includes additional boost performance optimizations. We will provide an update on September 10 to the community regarding the availability of the BIOS.”