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Did you get a shiny new Ryzen 3000 CPU?

I'll wait until 10th in case AGESA gets updated.
 
I have long been under the impression that gigabyte is a bad company to buy from. The speed of their bios releases seems fast to me. Is this just for their top end board?
 
Nordic said:
I have long been under the impression that gigabyte is a bad company to buy from. The speed of their bios releases seems fast to me. Is this just for their top end board?
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Seems to be across the lot of the X570 boards at least.
Even their cheapest, cheapo board got the update today.
www.gigabyte.com

X570 UD (rev. 1.0) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...
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Not as much love for the 400-series chipsets, but they have AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB across the range of models at least.
 
Nordic said:
I have long been under the impression that gigabyte is a bad company to buy from. The speed of their bios releases seems fast to me. Is this just for their top end board?
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Well the new F6 for the Master work fine and by enabling xmp level 1, it gave me some better timings. 4 years ago I would not have chosen anything but Asus. But my old Skylake build took 3 returns of motherboards and newer gave me 100%. I also had a lot of friends experiencing the same. I think Asus make to many models (goes for other brands as Well)
 
I wish I could get email notifications for new bios updates.
 
Guys on Gigabyte boards: what is your droop looking like at full load (i.e. Linpack/P95)? On this 4.0 1.3V setting I'm running with Normal LLC, it apparently always peaks at 1.32V (usually when no load), then droops all the way down to 1.248V.

I'm not sure if there was any difference between Auto and Normal LLC for me. I'm trying to figure out the minimum stable Vcore I need at 4.0/4.1/4.2, so the droop is getting in the way of me collecting some concrete numbers.

Or is it more a board quality/design thing, and I'm just stuck with this much droop? I know that these IR3553 powirstages are good, but there still are only four phases for pushing 97W at this clock/volt, and still get to 75c pushing this thing at just 4.0, with side panel off and max fans.
 
tabascosauz said:
Guys on Gigabyte boards: what is your droop looking like at full load (i.e. Linpack/P95)? On this 4.0 1.3V setting I'm running with Normal LLC, it apparently always peaks at 1.32V (usually when no load), then droops all the way down to 1.248V.

I'm not sure if there was any difference between Auto and Normal LLC for me. I'm trying to figure out the minimum stable Vcore I need at 4.0/4.1/4.2, so the droop is getting in the way of me collecting some concrete numbers.

Or is it more a board quality/design thing, and I'm just stuck with this much droop? I know that these IR3553 powirstages are good, but there still are only four phases for pushing 97W at this clock/volt, and still get to 75c pushing this thing at just 4.0, with side panel off and max fans.
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Use more aggressive LLC.
 
EarthDog said:
Use more aggressive LLC.
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Geniuses at Gigabyte forgot to put in the drop down menu in this F42a BIOS, so all I knew was the field was editable but I had only thought of Normal, Auto and Standard.

All I could find on a search was dismissive posts claiming RTFM or PEBCAK, but it turns out it was Gigabyte that did an oopsie. My manual literally has no content or subheadings under the section explaining Advanced Voltage Control.

It's a 1-7 scale. 1 or 2 is Standard or Normal, can't remember if 0 means anything. 3 is Low, 4 is Medium, 5 is High, 6 is Turbo, 7 is Extreme, and 8 is Auto.

Also, do I look at the motherboard Vcore reading or the 3700X's CPU core voltage SVI2 TFN reading? The latter is 1.294 and doesn't fluctuate.

EDIT: whoops, both report droop.
 
My Ryzen 5 3600 OC to the advertised boost of 4.2 GHz in Geekbench 5
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Some of the Windows single core scores don't look to hot. 3600's not boosting to 4.2 GHz?

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Benchmark results for a Micro-Star International Co., Ltd MS-7C02 with an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 processor.
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Geekbench measures your computer's processor and memory performance. Use the Geekbench Browser to share and discover Geekbench results with other people around the world.
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Turns out the motherboard Vcore reading is pretty much useless. It's the same wide "stepped" readings all the time! The SVI2 seems to better reflect what the CPU is getting.

As opposed to 4.0/1.3V/Auto I'm currently testing 4.0/1.25V/Turbo. Auto droops to 1.237V (-0.063), current setting droops to 1.225V (-0.025). There may be room to drop Vcore further, I don't know. I'll save the higher clocks for when my U9S arrives this week, but so far the LLC work seems to be paying off. It's actually running cooler with these settings and cooling normally, as opposed to fans full blast, Auto LLC and side panel off.

Okay, this is crazy. I'm down to 4.0GHz / 1.2V, with 16 thread P95 Smallest sustaining an effective 1.175V. Two repetitions completed, no errors anywhere. My CPU temps are now below 77c with auto fan curves, and my VRMs are down to 68c. I may have been wrong about Ryzen 3000. This is absolutely delightful.

One thing I'm not wrong about, though, is the horrible firmware. I mean, my chip spends most of its time at 4.0GHz anyway when I leave everything on auto, since it can't last under higher boost. How is it "normal behaviour" to be pumping 1.4v of full load into a chip that doesn't even need 1.2V?? And they said it was "safe". I call bollocks on that AMD statement.

EDIT: found the tentative limit. With Turbo LLC, at 4.0GHz the floor is at 1.181V drooping down to 1.162V. For some reason, the lower you go, the more the BIOS wants to round up; if that's not enough, some of the Vcore settings share the same practical results (exact same max/min on SVI2 and Vcore). The result is a gaping hole between 1.181V and 1.16875V that I can't bridge, so this is the limit for now.
 
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It might be pumping 1.4 V or even 1.5 V peak but at what current.
 
Chomiq said:
It might be pumping 1.4 V or even 1.5 V peak but at what current.
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Dunno, honestly. My core current sensor isn't reading properly in HWInfo; it's greyed out and doesn't update when the CPU isn't under stress test.

I think I finally found what I'm looking for. CPB on, PBO off, -0.1V offset with just standard LLC.
  • It boosts to the usual 43.8x on the fastest core (7) while sustaining 40.3x across all cores in Prime95 Smallest.
  • It scales back gradually from 41x to 39.8x as the temps creep up, and the Vcore falls from 1.206V to 1.175V respectively, but I actually stayed under 75c, whereas the manual setting with lowest stable Vcore maxed at 78c.
  • I get about the same temperatures with slightly higher clocks if not a teeny bit better temps than the manual 4.0/1.192v/Turbo setting.
  • Pulling about the same Vcore according to SVI2 (1.206V at load). Seems stable. VIDs are still always higher than actual Vcore (~1.288V)
  • Idle is good. Roughly the same temps as idle under manual 4.0 and manual 4.1. No fan or temp spikes.
The best part: no unresponsive Explorer, and no WHEA errors. Feels just like a 4.0 manual clock, just faster and cooler. Also pleasant to be able to use P95 Smallest to test stability again, without it pulling a whopping 105W at 4.1 because manually setting the clocks counts as a manual overclock without power limits.

Should I even update to 1.0.0.3ABBA when it it comes out for my board? I was never concerned about not hitting boost clocks, I just wanted more reasonable behaviour, and it seems I got it by giving it a bit of offset.
 
tabascosauz said:
Dunno, honestly. My core current sensor isn't reading properly in HWInfo; it's greyed out and doesn't update when the CPU isn't under stress test.

I think I finally found what I'm looking for. CPB on, PBO off, -0.1V offset with just standard LLC.
  • It boosts to the usual 43.8x on the fastest core (7) while sustaining 40.3x across all cores in Prime95 Smallest.
  • It scales back gradually from 41x to 39.8x as the temps creep up, and the Vcore falls from 1.206V to 1.175V respectively, but I actually stayed under 75c, whereas the manual setting with lowest stable Vcore maxed at 78c.
  • I get about the same temperatures with slightly higher clocks if not a teeny bit better temps than the manual 4.0/1.192v/Turbo setting.
  • Pulling about the same Vcore according to SVI2 (1.206V at load). Seems stable. VIDs are still always higher than actual Vcore (~1.288V)
  • Idle is good. Roughly the same temps as idle under manual 4.0 and manual 4.1. No fan or temp spikes.
The best part: no unresponsive Explorer, and no WHEA errors. Feels just like a 4.0 manual clock, just faster and cooler. Also pleasant to be able to use P95 Smallest to test stability again, without it pulling a whopping 105W at 4.1 because manually setting the clocks counts as a manual overclock without power limits.

Should I even update to 1.0.0.3ABBA when it it comes out for my board? I was never concerned about not hitting boost clocks, I just wanted more reasonable behaviour, and it seems I got it by giving it a bit of offset.
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you should it's very good bios.
 
Well, installed my 3700X into my X370 CH6 this morning. I'm getting rusty at hardware installation (or maybe just a bit carefree?) and it makes me nervous. Updated to latest AMD chipset, updated to BIOS version 7403, AGESA Combo 1.0.0.3. After a terrifying 2080ti not-detected moment (settled after a restart) system is up and running. Ran Prime 95, max heat test: hit 73 degrees fast but stayed put, all cores wobbling about 4.1-4.2Ghz. Ran Unigine to test the 2080ti wasn't borked and all was fine. The HWinfo pic below is from that Unigine run. All I've changed in BIOS is to switch to DOCP standard, so my RAM runs at 3200Mhz at 14 timings (spec I bought two years ago for my 1700X).

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EDIT: though my gfx card now boots to full fan for a few seconds on start up now. Someone else had that issue. It's no biggie but it's odd how it does it now...
 
TheLostSwede said:
99.8MHz bus speed again, try getting it to 100MHz for even CPU frequencies.
You seem to be boosting just fine otherwise, three cores at 4,600MHz.
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Ya I dont see anyway to change off 99.8 with the lower end Asus boards. I did get the ram to work at 3733 safe settings with ABBA but fast was a no go. So I went back to 3600mhz.
 
Roddey said:
Ya I dont see anyway to change off 99.8 with the lower end Asus boards. I did get the ram to work at 3733 safe settings with ABBA but fast was a no go. So I went back to 3600mhz.
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See if this helps.
www.techpowerup.com

AMD Agesa ABBA with Boost Clock Fix Tested on Ryzen 3900X

ASUS has also made available the Beta 1.0.0.3ABBA Bios, it is available over here: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/ultimative-am4-uefi-bios-agesa-ubersicht-12-09-19-a-1228903.html#2.7 There is a beta version 1001 for my ASUS Crosshair VIII WIFI there. I have Ryzen 3700x and memory is...
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TheLostSwede said:
See if this helps.
www.techpowerup.com

AMD Agesa ABBA with Boost Clock Fix Tested on Ryzen 3900X

ASUS has also made available the Beta 1.0.0.3ABBA Bios, it is available over here: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/ultimative-am4-uefi-bios-agesa-ubersicht-12-09-19-a-1228903.html#2.7 There is a beta version 1001 for my ASUS Crosshair VIII WIFI there. I have Ryzen 3700x and memory is...
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I cant find SB Clock Spread Spectrum anywere in the prime x570 bios.
 
Roddey said:
I cant find SB Clock Spread Spectrum anywere in the prime x570 bios.
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Not from your board though. Only picture I could find.
Maybe ask the other guy?

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Roddey said:
That option is not in the bios. There is a lot of settings I cant access.
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I guess you're going to have to talk to Asus' support then. Not much more I can do to help.
Regardless, you're getting the correct boost speeds, just minus a few MHz because of the bus speed.
 
I read somewhere that Asus left some options out of these boards. Gotta go spend more money if I want them, which I refuse to pay more than 250 for a motherboard. Got to draw a line somewhere.
 
Keep what you have which is great. 0.02% less boost clocks than the perfect is already there. Most boards nowadays have less than 100MHz on the basic clock just for safety reasons due to the SATA and storage data corruption danger if surpassing that limit. Doesn't always happens but...
 
So testing around tonight,

4400 took 1.45 volts to stable, temps stayed low due to the water loop,
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however, 4375 only takes 1.3 and is stable, temps stayed low again and barely anything in the cinebench scores.
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This is on an Asus board without any new bios, not sure if bios will help but 1.45v to get 4400 seems very high to me
 
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