AMD Could Release Next Generation EPYC CPUs with Four-Way SMT

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Please say that again in English.

if your going to be a gramma tart , get your shit right .

IF your a gramma tart ,you should well know all sentences start with a capital, im not.

 

[R0H1T]

This isn't anywhere near as difficult as you're making this. Aldain said "Intel never made a CPU with 4-way SMT", I provided the proof that they have. I made no commentary on its success or viability as a commercial product.

You're still twisting it any which way you like, technically it is not a CPU ~ it was always designed as a co-processor. Need I remind you of the difference between the two?

 

[cucker tarlson]

if your going to be a gramma tart , get your shit right .

no,just doesn't make sense.

 

[techguymaxc]

You're still twisting it any which way you like, technically it is not a CPU ~ it was always designed as a co processor. Need I remind you of the difference between the two?

I've already explained this. It runs the x86 ISA natively, and an Operating System can run on it. You're making a semantic argument, not a technical one.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

You're still twisting it any which way you like, technically it is not a CPU ~ it was always designed as a co processor. Need I remind you of the difference between the two?

ummm.... C- central P-processor U-unit // Co-processor.
THEY BOTH PROCESSORS!!!

lmao this thread rocks.

 

[notb]

Yes & what was your point exactly, that 4 way SMT for AMD is not a major achievement ~ sure, I guess this why highlighting a product which was supposed to compete in HPC, but failed spectacularly is something noteworthy then?

No. As someone already said: we're just debunking the thesis that Intel hasn't offered 4-way SMT. That's it.
Any discussion about Phi being a success or not are pointless. SMT worked very well.

Also, given that Intel built their whole current Xeon lineup out of the Xeon Phi idea, I wouldn't really call it "a failure".

please say that again in English.

Please, don't go down that road.
@theoneandonlymrk can't use proper English and he gets very aroused when asked to work on this.

 

[cucker tarlson]

No. As someone already said: we're just debunking the thesis that Intel hasn't offered 4-way SMT. That's it.
Any discussion about Phi being a success or not are pointless. SMT worked very well.

Also, given that Intel built their whole current Xeon lineup out of the Xeon Phi idea, I wouldn't really call it "a failure".


Please, don't go down that road.
@theoneandonlymrk can't use proper English and he gets very aroused when asked to work on this.

I don't know what clouds,blades and special ones he's referring to.
epyc is not for gaming was my point,and I can't really respond to whatever point he made.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Phi being a success or not are pointless. SMT worked very well.


@theoneandonlymrk can't use proper English and he gets very aroused when asked to work on this.

HT, it's Intel's Hyper Threading© Technology.....

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I don't know what clouds,blades and special ones he's referring to.
epyc is not for gaming was my point,and I can't really respond to whatever point he made.

Sony Forgoes Playstation In Microsoft Deal

Sony entered a deal with Microsoft for its cloud gaming future and this surprised the industry, even PlayStation.

www.ibtimes.com

 

[cucker tarlson]

Sony Forgoes Playstation In Microsoft Deal

Sony entered a deal with Microsoft for its cloud gaming future and this surprised the industry, even PlayStation.

www.ibtimes.com

what does that have to do with what I said ? I never mentioned servers.Yes,servers do run on epyc processors.Thank you.

 

[thesmokingman]

ummm.... C- central P-processor U-unit // Co-processor.
THEY BOTH PROCESSORS!!!

lmao this thread rocks.

Hehe... but ugh doesn't the coprocesser actually need an actual CPU to work?

 

[notb]

HT, it's Intel's Hyper Threading© Technology.....

HT is a marketing name. SMT is the idea behind it.
And to not have heard about Xeon Phi is quite an achievement for a "PC enthusiast"
It seems you're really new in this...

 

[R0H1T]

I've already explained this. It runs the x86 ISA natively, and an Operating System can run on it. You're making a semantic argument, not a technical one.

Alright, how many systems around the world run just Xeon Phi even among those involved in HPC?
I'm not sure who's arguing semantics here, it is a processor as much as any GPU/FPGA/ASIC that can run an OS.

Also, given that Intel built their whole current Xeon lineup out of the Xeon Phi idea, I wouldn't really call it "a failure".

Needs citation, unless you're saying the idea was AVX 512

 

[thesmokingman]

Failed products doesn't demonstrate mastery...

 

[notb]

Hehe... but ugh doesn't the coprocesser actually need an actual CPU to work?

No. A coprocessor is a function. It's a component that is used for compute tasks, but not for running the system. Much like GPU.

The chip that powered Xeon Phi accelerators was a x86 compliant processor. If you put it in a LGA3647 motherboard, it would have worked as a CPU.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

HT is a marketing name. SMT is the idea behind it.
And to not have heard about Xeon Phi is quite an achievement for a "PC enthusiast"
It seems you're really new in this...

Didn't take notice the (©) that was placed there? But for viewers that ARE new to this, perhaps some differentiation between the two chip makers would help people understand how this entire thread is derailed over something as simple as Simultaneous Multi-Threading on a new upcoming (perhaps not so revolutionary concept) kick-butt processors.

I must confess.... I know very little about anyting Intel has produced. I have overclocked a few, but has always been out of my price range. Especially server and workstation processors.

Would love to see 4 way SMT on AMD desktop processors though. At affordable pricing I must add....

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

what does that have to do with what I said ? I never mentioned servers.Yes,servers do run on epyc processors.Thank you.

"epyc is not for gaming was my point"

And your points wrong, epyc is for the server yes but some of that resource is used to game on and for the next-gen console cloud platform for ps5 and xbox next , as well as their world-beating supercomputer will use an evolved epyc , or perhaps your links have told you different?.

Epyc and the Zen architecture are multi-purpose processors, designed to achieve many goals, not just one, and 2.5D packaging makes epyc or its next hybrid custom weird iteration nothing more than a validation away.

Thats why intel should be scared.

at this moment they would struggle to counter some things that AMD can do but have not yet done, epyc is a wonderful example of something intel cannot do.

 

[thesmokingman]

Intel must have nightmares about Epyc, or is that Epyc nightmares?

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Cloud AI gonna get an upgrade

 

[_Flare]

4-way SMT is not what the article describes, it is not slicing an operation into 4 smaller ones, that is widely done by every x86-Decoder since its invention, not exactly 4 but more than 1 and increasing over the years, with a natural limit because an Op can only be sliced in a few µOps, not infinite ones.

Additionally that is advanced with the µOp mechanisms used widely since some years now, excessively since Sandy-Bridge with µOp-Caching.

What 4-way SMT is, is what IBM uses in their Power-Cores since some years now, it is like 1 Core executing 4 Threads, like a doubled Hyperthreading.
I think what IBM does in their ecosystem is not as efficient in the x86-ecosystem, additionally the actual SMT used with Zen2 is very efficient and most of the time better than what Intel offers.

They will advance both intel and AMD with the decoder and OoO-window and µOp-Caching and so on, like Intel recently teasered for IceLake.

 

[CheapMeat]

I believe IBM helped AMD with their SMT implementation.

 

[Steevo]

If it can't run Crysis is it not a CPU in your opinion?

Guess the 90% of CPUs throughout history that don't utilize the x86 ISA aren't CPUs in your book.

Must be hard being that myopic. What's your prescription?



This isn't anywhere near as difficult as you're making this. Aldain said "Intel never made a CPU with 4-way SMT", I provided the proof that they have. I made no commentary on its success or viability as a commercial product.

Obvious joke is obvious. Can it run crysis has nothing to do with anything beyond the obvious question.

What performance level does it operate at that matters to the 99%?

If it's not easy, affordable, and powerful to use for the above average computer user it's not worth anything more than a side note*. Enter Itanium, Phi, and other vaporware.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Obvious joke is obvious. Can it run crysis has nothing to do with anything beyond the obvious question.

What performance level does it operate at that matters to the 99%?

If it's not easy, affordable, and powerful to use for the above average computer user it's not worth anything more than a side note*. Enter Itanium, Phi, and other vaporware.

There it is right there.
Epic not for home pc use. No your grandmas dell wont have 256 threads any time soon.... Maybe....

 

[dinmaster]

Didn't Intel take some of their server cpu's or at least core counts etc and put them into consumer cpu's to be relevant? Certainly in the future this could be used as a way to keep Intel at bay or similar to what Intel did to keep relevant until the next micro architecture arrives..

 

[springs113]

Doesn't anyone watch Moore's laws deads videos on here, his leak gave him smt4 leaked weeks ago?

actually he mentioned it months ago