TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Grog6]

They did have that twist-to-lock feature, which had the potential to crunch that shiny little die. I had an orb cooler, but it was for a K6-2 500mhz. I gave that system to my mom, and it got clogged with dust and cat hair. Fan never quit, but it was highly ineffective!

The bigger problem was ripping the socket off the mobo, lol.

I disagree with the cooling; I have one of those cooling a K6-iii 450 right now, running Win95.
It's taking data on an ISA PCA3 card. (Pulse height analyzer, for nuclear decay spectra)

It cools very well; the K6III is well known for running hot due to the phenomenal amount (256k) of Cache memory. (lol)

It's on a K6BV3+ motherboard; the interesting thing with those is that if you put over 256MB of memory on it, it slows down due to disabling the L3 cache on the MB.
Yes, the mobo has 2MB of Cache in chips, on the mobo, 6" away from the processor.

That was my last socket 7 system; I keep it for the ISA slots.

Someone mentioned setting IRQ's on the board with jumpers; EISA was worse, you had to have a specific program to run to set all those, before it would boot.


Good Times, lol.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

The bigger problem was ripping the socket off the mobo, lol.

I disagree with the cooling; I have one of those cooling a K6-iii 450 right now, running Win95.
It's taking data on an ISA PCA3 card. (Pulse height analyzer, for nuclear decay spectra)

It cools very well; the K6III is well known for running hot due to the phenomenal amount (256k) of Cache memory. (lol)

It's on a K6BV3+ motherboard; the interesting thing with those is that if you put over 256MB of memory on it, it slows down due to disabling the L3 cache on the MB.
Yes, the mobo has 2MB of Cache in chips, on the mobo, 6" away from the processor.

That was my last socket 7 system; I keep it for the ISA slots.

Someone mentioned setting IRQ's on the board with jumpers; EISA was worse, you had to have a specific program to run to set all those, before it would boot.


Good Times, lol.

No, the golden orb worked great---until it got clogged with cat hair and dust. It was disgusting. The system would crash every now and then, and once I cleaned out the Orb, it was back to normal again!

 

[Jism]

New Hardware Found! (this week) - flea market find of course. The price was extremely low.

Leadtek Geforce 2 MX 400 / Geforce 2 MX SH PRO 5ns Ultra Speed - 32MB AGP - Not your average GF2 MX

Leadtek WinFast GeForce2 MX SH Pro

Leadtek always offered slightly better cards then other manufacturers back then. Not just the fancy heatsink but also memory chips with a bit better timings.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Speaking of overkill, I'm going to make my own overkill Windows XP gaming PC using these setup:
i5 4670k
16GB DDR3 RAM
HD 4850 in Crossfire
Creative Audigy 2 ZS

The PC is collecting dust under my desk ATM, no PSU, no HDD and the soundcard is still in my old C2D setup. I don't know if HD 4850 in CF is good for XP or not. I'll probably buy X800/X850 PCIe so I could use Truform for older titles that using it I already found Z87 chipset driver and all necessary driver for XP. But since I'm busy with baby and some other family stuff, this is going to be untouched a while.

 

[havli]

The Pentium 4 in the video was 2.4 GHz on Socket 478 with the famous Intel 865 chipset. It's easier finding a Pentium 4 than Pentium II/III unless your @Robert B.

Ah, I didn't watch the video... and by the picture that board is almost identical to ASRock 775i65G. Well, my mistake.

 

[biffzinker]

Ah, I didn't watch the video...

Ah well, I didn't watch the video at normal playback speed myself. Switched the playback rate from 1 second to 1.25

 

[Mr.Scott]

Speaking of overkill, I'm going to make my own overkill Windows XP gaming PC using these setup:
i5 4670k
16GB DDR3 RAM
HD 4850 in Crossfire
Creative Audigy 2 ZS

Wasting your ram. XP won't see more than 3.5 gig.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Wasting your ram. XP won't see more than 3.5 gig.

I know, thats the only RAM it will boot up. I have another set of RAM that won't work for some reason. The board is wonky. Don't worry as I found patch PAE. I did on Windows 7 32-bit before. Work without a problem. But for older card and driver it could be a problem.

Windows XP 128GB Ram Patch | Operating System Revival

 

[Robert B]

I found this today.

Trident HNG8916CX248LC2 - Trident TVGA 8900C REV. A - VGA ULTRA(I) - ISA - with 1MB or 512KB? Week 02 Year 1992

 

[SniperHF]

Thats a bit overkill for Windows 98, I would install XP on that setup. But it's better to be overkill so you can apply AA and AF

It was still pretty common to put 98 on that type of system, my first P4 system had 98 even.
Though I'd bet a good chunk of those systems were upgraded to XP at some point.

 

[biffzinker]

Wasting your ram. XP won't see more than 3.5 gig.

He could use Windows XP Professional x64.

Windows XP Professional x64 Edition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[PHaS3]

Speaking of overkill, I'm going to make my own overkill Windows XP gaming PC using these setup:
i5 4670k
16GB DDR3 RAM
HD 4850 in Crossfire
Creative Audigy 2 ZS

The PC is collecting dust under my desk ATM, no PSU, no HDD and the soundcard is still in my old C2D setup. I don't know if HD 4850 in CF is good for XP or not. I'll probably buy X800/X850 PCIe so I could use Truform for older titles that using it I already found Z87 chipset driver and all necessary driver for XP. But since I'm busy with baby and some other family stuff, this is going to be untouched a while.

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Man I used to have a HIS 4850, loved it. Massive improvement over the previous HIS 3870 I had. Wonderful to see them again

 

[Athlonite]

Man I used to have a HIS 4850, loved it. Massive improvement over the previous HIS 3870 I had. Wonderful to see them again

Hell yeah back when HIS actually used good fans instead of the garbage cheapo's they use now

 

[Jism]

I had a Asus 4890 TOP edition, those 4890 could archieve crazy high clocks compared to stock ones AMD put out. Took one notch more voltage to crank up the core all the way up to 1200Mhz on air.

ASUS EAH4890 TOP w/ Super ML Capacitor Review

ASUS has sent us one of the first samples of their new EAH4890 TOP which uses a SuperML capacitor that is supposed to offer cleaner voltage resulting in better overlocking. Also this is the first card to feature a 6+8 pin PCI-Express power connector for improved voltage delivery. Last but not...

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[erek]

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[Splinterdog]

A remarkable 20-year collection of retro hardware. Mobos and CPUs galore!

 

[xBruce88x]

Sadly, I used to have a PCI Voodoo3 2000 laying around, but no longer. Also had an AWE32 back in the day. Anyone remember if the 430HX had AGP? I almost expected it to, but maybe they never did.

No it doesn't, here's a ton of info on it

Chipset Guide

www.anandtech.com

 

[The Egg]

Sadly, I used to have a PCI Voodoo3 2000 laying around, but no longer. Also had an AWE32 back in the day. Anyone remember if the 430HX had AGP? I almost expected it to, but maybe they never did.

No it doesn't, here's a ton of info on it

Chipset Guide

www.anandtech.com

Interesting, thanks for the link. That makes sense, because back when we had an HX chipset in the family PC, it was paired with a Matrox Mystique 4MB PCI, despite probably having several AGP boards on hand not long after (I was doing alot of building at the time). The Matrox was an excellent performer though.

Speaking of the board I currently have, I found a P166 MMX in my small souvenir CPU collection. A standard non-MMX 166 is currently installed. Your link says the HX can do MMX, but I seem to remember later model Pentiums running different (lower) voltages, which makes me lean towards leaving well enough alone. If it were a 200 or 233, I’d probably give it a shot.

 

[Jism]

MMX is just a addtitional instruction set onto the CPU, does'nt require a special board or so to trigger it or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX_(instruction_set)

 

[The Egg]

MMX is just a addtitional instruction set onto the CPU, does'nt require a special board or so to trigger it or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX_(instruction_set)

I’m not worried about the instruction set (HX apparently supports it by default), I’m worried about the voltage.
P5 Microarcitecture

The original 166 is a SY016 which is a ceramic P54CS at 3.3v
The MMX 166 is a SL27H which is a metal cap P55C and specifically lists out 2.8v on the chip.

Apparently there were also cache and pipeline improvements on the P55C beyond just the MMX, but I’ll need to research the board more to see if the voltage can be changed, otherwise I’m outta gas.

 

[Jism]

I think you could drive 3.3V through it. They are much more resilient then CPU's these days are. And the extra voltage could help into a more stable overclock to perhaps 200 ~ 233Mhz or so.

Give it a try! Make sure it carries a heatsink with good paste and a fan.

 

[The Egg]

I think you could drive 3.3V through it. They are much more resilient then CPU's these days are. And the extra voltage could help into a more stable overclock to perhaps 200 ~ 233Mhz or so.
Give it a try! Make sure it carries a heatsink with good paste and a fan.

That's not an insignificant voltage difference. Best case scenario, the CPU lives a very short life. Worst case, I make some magic smoke and take the motherboard with it. I'm gonna pass unless I can verify the board is capable.

 

[Jism]

Those CPU's can handle the 0.5v difference:

OK, something else you should know: Even if your board doesn't support adjustable voltages, or a fixed voltage below the original 3.3v, you can run a Pentium MMX on it. Yes, 3.3v is more than the rated 2.8v. No, that won't hurt the CPU. I've sold hundred of overvoltage chip systems without a single return.

Converting socket 5 to Socket 7 AMD

I've just read the article from Tom....about converting socket 5 to socket 7 and fitting a AMD K6-2 in it. The problem is I'm having a Triton 430BX chipset board.....will it work thou? how much can I squeeze out the power from this board? Cheers

forums.tomshardware.com

3.3v on 2.8v cpu socket 7 - Google Search

 

[Grog6]

I’m not worried about the instruction set (HX apparently supports it by default), I’m worried about the voltage.
P5 Microarcitecture

The original 166 is a SY016 which is a ceramic P54CS at 3.3v
The MMX 166 is a SL27H which is a metal cap P55C and specifically lists out 2.8v on the chip.

Apparently there were also cache and pipeline improvements on the P55C beyond just the MMX, but I’ll need to research the board more to see if the voltage can be changed, otherwise I’m outta gas.

I remember those chips.

The non-mmx chips were all 3.3v, the MMX ones were split core, 3.3 and 2.8.

There was also a bios difference; they would not boot with the mmx chips.
We tried, lol.
I ended up buying a new mobo.

I still have a 166 mmx chip; I need to dig out my collection and take some pix.

I found a tube with my 8088-1, 8087-1, and 8089-1 chips yesterday; they were 11MHz versions of the original PC processor, Math co, and communications processor.

Good times, lol.

 

[Jism]

If you have a 2.8V chip on a 3.3V line then it would be a cool thing to have. You have some headroom related to overclocking. Some (good) MMX chips wanted all the way up to 233Mhz completely stable with just the switch of a jumper.

Good old times. OC'ing with no manual and trying every jumper combination out there.