Email about AMD class action lawsuit

[R-T-B]

You seem to miss the point.

This is my definition. You can't tell me how it works.

The point is a core is ill-defined and if you think that is not the case, well, feel free to object to the settlement ruling I guess. It's not really what this court viewed the case as but it's all semantics tbf so who cares?

The cores in Bulldozer aren't just INTEGER units.

Yeah, I was trying to keep the analogy simple. Of course there is more in a core, in other news cars generally utilize tires.

While, only the x87->AVX2 extensions execute on the FPU.

As well as SSE/SSE2, yes. x87 really isn't that widely used in modern software /tangent

 

[seronx]

Of course there is more in a core, in other news cars generally utilize tires.

The core is primarily this. {retire queue -> scheduler -> register files -> execution units -> address units -> load/store}
There is two sets of them in a Bulldozer module, hence it is a dual-core.

The core isn't anything indirectly attached {branch predictor -> fetch -> L1i -> pick -> decode -> dispatch // and L2 cache unit, FPU, L1d, etc), there is enough buffers to distinguish the cores from its processor exo-skeleton. Even a simpleton can look at the design papers and say ya that is two cores.

 

[R-T-B]

Cool. This settlement still pretty conclusively shows it's hardly a cut and dry definition. Companies are literally paying classaction money that have marketed on your "simple" definition.

 

[seronx]

Cool. This settlement still pretty conclusively shows it's hardly a cut and dry definition. Companies are literally paying classaction money that have marketed on your "simple" definition.

It is the same company that came out with Zen. It's hardly a surprise for AMD not to become brain-dead.

 

[R-T-B]

It is the same company that came out with Zen. It's hardly a surprise for AMD not to become brain-dead.

I honestly have no idea what that is even supposed to mean in regards to any of this...

 

[seronx]

I honestly have no idea what that is even supposed to mean in regards to any of this...

Essentially, AMD threw away their lead by going Zen.

Now Intel has caught up and they are going to skip into the ultimate threading architecture.

 

[R-T-B]

Essentially, AMD threw away their lead by going Zen.

They had a lead? During bulldozer?

Ok then.

 

[seronx]

They had a lead? During bulldozer?

Yes. AMD Bulldozer's threading architecture is only a single generation from the ultimate threading architecture. While, AMD's Zen is two generations away from ultimate threading.

 

[hat]

I'm... not sure what you mean by "ultimate threading".

 

[seronx]

I'm... not sure what you mean by "ultimate threading".

The definition used for ultimate is this "the best (achievable or imaginable) of its kind".

Basically, AMD had one job after Family 15h. Then, AMD went SMT, and left Intel with all the brains. The one last hurdle was BK, with that dude gone it's going to come. The units are already in Sunnycove and Tremont. Just one more step and Intel will have skipped past AMD's early leap into the ultimate threading architecture.

 

[eidairaman1]

I got a post card, threw in trash as im in TX, plus i dont have my invoice anymore

 

[Fouquin]

The definition used for ultimate is this "the best (achievable or imaginable) of its kind".

Basically, AMD had one job after Family 15h. Then, AMD went SMT, and left Intel with all the brains. The one last hurdle was BK, with that dude gone it's going to come. The units are already in Sunnycove and Tremont. Just one more step and Intel will have skipped past AMD's early leap into the ultimate threading architecture.

I honestly can't tell if this is pure sarcasm and you're just taking this chance to shitpost.

 

[seronx]

I honestly can't tell if this is pure sarcasm and you're just taking this chance to shitpost.

It is neither.

AMD Bulldozer-Excavator has two fully duplicated cores that share a single larger processor's components.
By going Zen, AMD missed out on a cheaper alternative. However, Intel is taking that loss of logical sense by AMD to do what they didn't. (Hint: Intel is going to implement the ultimate threading architecture: all performance/all security, predictable performance scaling w/ MT, high ST-Perf(two paths one end) or high MT-perf(two paths two end) or low-power(one path one/two end), etc.)

 

[CountMike]

It is neither.

AMD Bulldozer-Excavator has two fully duplicated cores that share a single larger processor's components.
By going Zen, AMD missed out on a cheaper alternative. However, Intel is taking that loss of logical sense by AMD to do what they didn't. (Hint: Intel is going to implement the ultimate threading architecture: all performance/all security, predictable performance scaling w/ MT, high ST-Perf(two paths one end) or high MT-perf(two paths two end) or low-power(one path one/two end), etc.)

I'm 75, should I wait for it ?

 

[Bones]

Does all the above mean I can expect another card in the mail from TPU once the thread is closed?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

It is neither.

AMD Bulldozer-Excavator has two fully duplicated cores that share a single larger processor's components.
By going Zen, AMD missed out on a cheaper alternative. However, Intel is taking that loss of logical sense by AMD to do what they didn't. (Hint: Intel is going to implement the ultimate threading architecture: all performance/all security, predictable performance scaling w/ MT, high ST-Perf(two paths one end) or high MT-perf(two paths two end) or low-power(one path one/two end), etc.)

this is starting to dip into intel fanboism, lets try to not speculate here.

Does all the above mean I can expect another card in the mail from TPU once the thread is closed?

Sure I"ll send you a post card on my next vacation from....

 

[Space Lynx]

I honestly can't tell if this is pure sarcasm and you're just taking this chance to shitpost.

I just put him on my ignore list. Yawn.

 

[Frick]

this is starting to dip into intel fanboism, lets try to not speculate here.


Sure I"ll send you a post card on my next vacation from....

(small town in Norway, where Trondheim's airport is located, lovely place Trondheim and I definitely recommend going there, go to Tromsø while your're at it)


For the record I'm fine with calling the FX8xxx an octa core.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I can call literally anything a "core."

This is my definition. You can't tell me how it works.

The point is a core is ill-defined

The poster's name was removed from the above because who said it does not matter. I'm just trying to illustrate the point.

And I think you all are just trying to obfuscate the point.

I can call my car a boat. Does that mean it is now a boat because that's now "my definition"? Of course not.

Is there "technically" such a thing as a "wireless router"? NO!!!!!! All routers are wired. Period! But manufacturers decided to integrate a router and a WAP (wireless access point) and a 4-port Ethernet switch onto one circuitboard and shoved it into a single box and then marketing weenies dubbed it a "wireless router". That still does not mean there "technically" is such a thing. The router, WAP and switch are still 3 discrete network devices. And that has not changed just because marketing weenies call it that.

Same with a processor core. You can call it whatever your want. But a processor core is still a processor core.

 

[R-T-B]

Yes. AMD Bulldozer's threading architecture is only a single generation from the ultimate threading architecture. While, AMD's Zen is two generations away from ultimate threading.

Wake me when it happens.

But a processor core is still a processor core.

And what parts define that bill, since you seem so certain this is well defined? Is or is not, an FPU part of that?

There is literally a lawsuit and resulting settlement being paid because a big company did not market this correctly according to some people... if that is not proof of ambiguity I do not know what is.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Is or is not, an FPU part of that?

Since when does "part" define the "whole"?

And for the record, the FPU or floating-point unit may or may be a part of the CPU. It could be co-processor. For many many years, they were always totally discrete devices. Memory controllers are now typically integrated into CPUs these days. Are you going to suggest the memory controller is a separate core too?

Since you have decided you can define core anyway you want, what is your definition of a dual core processor? A quad core?

 

[R-T-B]

Since when does "part" define the "whole"?

Since a whole became a list of parts called a definition...

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Since a whole became a list of parts called a definition...

Engine parts list: pistons, piston rods, crankshaft, cam shaft, cylinder heads, 3/8 bolts...etc.

 

[R-T-B]

Engine parts list: pistons, piston rods, crankshaft, cam shaft, cylinder heads, 3/8 bolts...etc.

And see that's where the ambiguity comes in...

It's not so much about the parts, it's about the outcome. If an engine uses different size bolts, no one is going to deny it's engine status provided it moves. However, if someone removed the cam shaft, making the engine not move, it's no longer a complete engine, but a pile of engine related parts.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

And see that's where the ambiguity comes in...

It's not so much about the parts, it's about the outcome. If an engine uses different size bolts, no one is going to deny it's engine status provided it moves. However, if someone removed the cam shaft, making the engine not move, it's no longer a complete engine, but a pile of engine related parts.

But, its still called an engine. is it still a core?