Why is it so hard to find a monitor like this?

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I hear you talking but I have a 49" 4k monitor from Acer and absolutely love it. There are no problems with text.



No it is not. People play consoles on 50+ screens. Trust me when any of my friends see games on my 49" screen they get envious. Two of them have actually gone out and bought the exact same monitor I have. The kicker is they can be had for around $500. And no it is not a TV re branded as a monitor. I am not sure if you can get this anymore but I would buy it again in a heartbeat.

Acer 48.5" IPS LCD/LED Monitor 4ms (G to G) 3840 x 2160 (4K) UM.SE0AA.001 - Newegg.com

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Yes on consoles. Im not sitting on a couch playing games. I am at a desk. I didnt say ppl dont play on 50+ inch screens. I said too big for a gaming monitor. Monitor denotes PC gameplay.

Just took a look at that acer you linked. That is entirely too big for me. I dont want to be 3ft away from that monitor to play games on my desk.

 

[kapone32]

Yes on consoles. Im not sitting on a couch playing games. I am at a desk. I didnt say ppl dont play on 50+ inch screens. I said too big for a gaming monitor. Monitor denotes PC gameplay.

Just took a look at that acer you linked. That is entirely too big for me. I dont want to be 3ft away from that monitor to play games on my desk.

Well I sit about 3 feet away from it and don't mind at all. It allows you to see all the screen. I used to think the same way as you and had a 32" 4K monitor from Qnix for that reason but that failed and this monitor was exactly $50 less than a replacement 32" monitor. I was hesitant but now could not go back.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I used to think the same way as you and had a 32" 4K monitor from Qnix for that reason but that failed and this monitor was exactly $50 less than a replacement 32" monitor.

Surest proof it is a panel shared with TVs. Economies of scale: when you sell the same product to multiple markets, you get better margins because of mass orders.

Also the description is a give away:
"Acer ComfyView Technology, Flickerless Technology, BlueLightShield Technology, Low Dimming Technology"
That translates to extra latency. Purpose built monitors don't have this kind of stuff.

4K60 w/ 3 HDMI ports...stereotypical 4K TV specs.

If you're happy with it, sure, fine, whatever; but look at the list in the OP:
#1 It is discontinued, the manufacturer page for it is gone; difficult/impossible to acquire now.
#2 It is not DP 1.4 (appears to be DP 1.2; not sure on HDMI)
#3 It is 60 Hz.
#4 It does not support any kind of adaptive sync.
#5 It is 4ms GtG.

 

[kapone32]

Surest proof it is a panel shared with TVs. Economies of scale: when you sell the same product to multiple markets, you get better margins because of mass orders.

Also the description is a give away:
"Acer ComfyView Technology, Flickerless Technology, BlueLightShield Technology, Low Dimming Technology"
That translates to extra latency. Purpose built monitors don't have this kind of stuff.

4K60 w/ 3 HDMI ports...stereotypical 4K TV specs.

If you're happy with it, sure, fine, whatever; but look at the list in the OP:
#1 It is discontinued, the manufacturer page for it is gone; difficult/impossible to acquire now.
#2 It is not DP 1.4 (appears to be DP 1.2; not sure on HDMI)
#3 It is 60 Hz.
#4 It does not support any kind of adaptive sync.
#5 It is 4ms GtG.

Thanks I appreciate that we can all agree that we can use whatever we want for our own PCs.

1. Yes I am seeing that too unfortunately but it is still available from some sellers just not the big 2.
2. It is DP 1.2 but fully supports 10 bit (you actually have to change it in the setting from 1.1 to 1.2)
3. For $500 I would not expect more (almost all affordable 4K panels are 60Hz) and I am using Vega cards (As far as I know only the 2080TI gives more than 60 FPS in most games)
4. It does not have Freesync or Gysnc officially but I can do adaptive Sync in Wattman settings and it works great.
5. It is IPS to get anything faster at that size would mean another 0 added to the cost.

I agree that it is not in the OPs wheel house but I was not looking for this when I found it either.

 

[las]

I will stay at 1440p for those sweet 100 fps minimum.

For 4K/UHD gaming I have my 65 inch OLED, I only play slower paced games here. Often using a controller.

1440p is the perfect mix between fps and IQ for me. I can pretty much max games (custom settings / tweaked) while maintaining 100 fps minimum.

For 100 fps minimum at 4K/UHD you have to sacrifice IQ and lower settings alot. Even with 2080 Ti. _Maybe_ 3080 Ti will do it, games becomes more and more demanding tho, especially post next-gen console release. So we will see. Multi GPU is dead.

If people want high fps and responsive gameplay, they tend to steer away from 4K/UHD - For good reason. You will constantly be upgrading the GPU.
People usually want high fps for fast paced games. In fast paced games you barely notice the higher resolution. And this is why I tend to play slower paced games at 4K/UHD only.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Thanks I appreciate that we can all agree that we can use whatever we want for our own PCs.

I dont think that was ever disputed. What was disputed was the fact what is considered a TV and what was considered a monitor. Also the fact that from a personal standpoint, that size was too large for my taste in monitor.

Multi GPU is dead

Happy to see it leave, but sad to see it go.

 

[kapone32]

I will stay at 1440p for those sweet 100 fps minimum.

For 4K/UHD gaming I have my 65 inch OLED, I only play slower paced games here. Often using a controller.

1440p is the perfect mix between fps and IQ for me. I can pretty much max games (custom settings / tweaked) while maintaining 100 fps minimum.

For 100 fps minimum at 4K/UHD you have to sacrifice IQ and lower settings alot. Even with 2080 Ti. _Maybe_ 3080 Ti will do it, games becomes more and more demanding tho, especially post next-gen console release. So we will see. Multi GPU is dead.

If people want high fps and responsive gameplay, they tend to steer away from 4K/UHD - For good reason. You will constantly be upgrading the GPU.
People usually want high fps for fast paced games. In fast paced games you barely notice the higher resolution. And this is why I tend to play slower paced games at 4K/UHD only.

1440P is definitely the sweet spot for nice graphics and high FPS. I still have a QNIX 2710 1440P sitting around in the lab.

 

[Bill_Bright]

52" is going to be TOO big for a gaming monitor. Personally I think 32-34" is the sweet spot for a gaming monitor.

Not sure about the sweet spot - that also depends on how close you sit to the display.

But when you start going over 27", these tend to get pretty heavy (compared to smaller screens) and if you still want a monitor with height adjustment, it's just not going to happen with a heavy monitor - unless the stand has some sort of locking mechanism - something I have never seen (except to lock in it lowest position for shipping).

So that takes you back to using a VESA stand. But even those desktop VESA stands have limited monitor size support. So you may then be looking for a wall mounted VESA mount. Drilling anchors in the wall and never being able to move your desk after may be a concern.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I havent found exactly what I am looking for yet in a monitor, but this comes damn close.

Amazon.com: Asus ROG Strix XG438Q 43” Large Gaming Monitor with 4K 120Hz FreeSync 2 HDR Displayhdr 600 90% DCI-P3 Aura Sync 10W Speaker Non-Glare Eye Care with HDMI 2.0 DP 1.4 Remote Control,Black: Computers & Accessories

Amazon.com: Asus ROG Strix XG438Q 43” Large Gaming Monitor with 4K 120Hz FreeSync 2 HDR Displayhdr 600 90% DCI-P3 Aura Sync 10W Speaker Non-Glare Eye Care with HDMI 2.0 DP 1.4 Remote Control,Black: Computers & Accessories

www.amazon.com

 

[Bill_Bright]

And yet according to that page, it is "Currently Unavailable"!

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

And yet according to that page, it is "Currently Unavailable"!

Yeah :'(

 

[Vario]

got nothing to say, must be expensive ever, well i stick with cheapest one
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I can smell that setup through my IPS screen. Really good immersion.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The one I was talking about will be debuting at CES 2020 which is in early January.

 

[kapone32]

I havent found exactly what I am looking for yet in a monitor, but this comes damn close.

Amazon.com: Asus ROG Strix XG438Q 43” Large Gaming Monitor with 4K 120Hz FreeSync 2 HDR Displayhdr 600 90% DCI-P3 Aura Sync 10W Speaker Non-Glare Eye Care with HDMI 2.0 DP 1.4 Remote Control,Black: Computers & Accessories

Amazon.com: Asus ROG Strix XG438Q 43” Large Gaming Monitor with 4K 120Hz FreeSync 2 HDR Displayhdr 600 90% DCI-P3 Aura Sync 10W Speaker Non-Glare Eye Care with HDMI 2.0 DP 1.4 Remote Control,Black: Computers & Accessories

www.amazon.com

That looks like a seriously nice monitor. I wonder what the MSRP is on that

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

The website I saw this on said it retailed on Amazon for $1349.99

 

[kapone32]

The website I saw this on said it retailed on Amazon for $1349.99

Wow that is crazy but not too crazy. I do wish it was an IPS panel though

 

[Bones]

I hope you find one that suits you.
The one I got earlier so far has been great, it's a 32' Viewsonic 4K (https://www.newegg.com/viewsonic-vp3268-4k-32-uhd/p/1B4-009M-000P6?Item=1B4-009M-000P6) that does have a built-in height adjustment with it's stand, I can literally push it up or down and it stays were I set it. I believe it has a spring type system that exerts upward pressure but it's balanced to the weight of the monitor itself. Feels like it has small rollers or something similar in it too and probrably does, definitely works and it had better since I really paid for this one ($800+ ).

Aside from the cost there is nothing to complain about on my end and I even have a console system (PS3) hooked to it so when I'm not here or somewhere else posting I can use it for that if I want - Looks great doing that as well.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Wow that is crazy but not too crazy. I do wish it was an IPS panel though

Even if it's a VA, i think id be ok.

 

[TheLostSwede]

This?

Asus ROG Strix XG27UQ with 4K at 144Hz with Display Stream Compression (DSC) - TFTCentral

Share this contentWe’ve already seen one display from Asus announced featuring Display Stream Compression (DSC), allowing for the support of high resolutions, at high refresh rates from a single DisplayPort....[click link for more]

www.tftcentral.co.uk

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

This?

Asus ROG Strix XG27UQ with 4K at 144Hz with Display Stream Compression (DSC) - TFTCentral

Share this contentWe’ve already seen one display from Asus announced featuring Display Stream Compression (DSC), allowing for the support of high resolutions, at high refresh rates from a single DisplayPort....[click link for more]

www.tftcentral.co.uk

That seems promising as well.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Or obviously the other one mentioned in that news article.

ROG SWIFT PG27UQ | 27 to 31.5 Inches | Gaming Monitors｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

ROG SWIFT PG27UQ 27” 4K UHD best HDR gaming monitor has 144Hz refresh rate, NVIDIA G-SYNC? HDR technology, Quantum Dot Technology and Aura SYNC.

www.asus.com

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Or obviously the other one mentioned in that news article.

ROG SWIFT PG27UQ | 27 to 31.5 Inches | Gaming Monitors｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

ROG SWIFT PG27UQ 27” 4K UHD best HDR gaming monitor has 144Hz refresh rate, NVIDIA G-SYNC? HDR technology, Quantum Dot Technology and Aura SYNC.

www.asus.com

That model seems to have some issues though.

 

[John Naylor]

With some of those things you have the issue of the technology that made a monitor a "viable option" hasn't changed much. For example, there was little point to DP 1.4 in 2016 when the last 27" jump was made as nothing required it. So lets look at your checklist for the 2016 Acer XB271HU (Asus has similar model but Asus changed panel to 8 bit)

> 27in - Tech didn't exist back then for panels > 27" which warranted greater resolutioins .... in fact these were delayed a long toime as yields were so poor.
IPS - AU Optonics had the technology to game with IPS screens
DP 1.4 & HDMI 2.1 - See above
100hz Refresh or greater - 144 and later 165
Bezel-less - Small bezel
Full height, tilt, pivot functionality - Yup
VESA mountable - Yup
Gsync compatible - Yup ... full G-Sync including ULMB module
Around 1ms response time - Does not exist "in real world"
10 bit color - I added that.
Blur Reduction technology - Added that too
PPI > 100 - 108 ppi

The XB271HU 165 hz had a response time of 4.8 ms, ULMB / G-Sync capability, was 10 bit.

Now we have 4k as the 'thing everyone talks about" ... but that technology remains "not ready for prime time" with an adoption rate of only 1.84%. Sure we have 144 Hz 4k screens but what has stakked adoiption has been ....

a) to many games stuck below 60 fps / 80 fps... even w/ 2080 Super or Ti. if you can't do 80... then you can't use Blur Reduction.
b) Blur reduction (ULMB) not available
c) Cost prohibitive

The "normal" human eye can see individual pixels when PPI drops below 96 or so .... The problem with 4k is that PPI at 27" is 163 ... ... so thaere is extra tech there that you can not see the full benefit of. At 32" ... you still at 138 ... at 40 you at 110 which is more than what most folks will be able to discern individual pixels. But that's too big ... heck even 32' is too big for the typical desktop. A 30" panel would be 147 PPI.

The newer 144 hz IPS 4k panels from AUOptronics were delayed to market by 2 years ... and left many disappointed. Using Asus PG27UQ Acer X27 bmiiphcx as reference

> 27in - It's still 127"
IPS - AU Optonics still tops in IPS Gaming panels
DP 1.4 & HDMI 2.1 - 1.4 and 2.0 for Acer
100hz Refresh or greater - 144
Bezel-less - Small bezel
Full height, tilt, pivot functionality - Yup
VESA mountable - Yup
Gsync compatible - Yup
Around 1ms response time - 5.3 ms
10 bit color - 10 bit for Acer / 10 or 8 for Asus
Blur Reduction technology - Nope
PPI > 100 - 163 ppi

In short .... we don't have the cards to drive it and the monitor tech is still lagging. These things went on sale at $1900 ... and sales have been slow. The Acer can't be had for under $2k ... Asus is down to $1400 ... if they get < $1,000 and add ULMB I could see them starting to take off.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

You are looking for OLED or microLED not IPS panel... Or any LCD for that matter.

With LED you can do 240hz or higher refresh rate without the panel being a restriction, response time of the panel is in the nanoseconds, infinite contrast ratio, very wide colour gamut...

 

[TheLostSwede]

That model seems to have some issues though.

What issues are those? The one I spent a few minutes with at Computex seemed to work just fine.