TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

Retrorockit · Dec 15, 2019

Robert B said:
Indeed, the Enermax EG465P-VE only has 20 pin ATX and 4 pin CPU connectors but I can use various adapters and expand its usability. Also it only has MOLEX and FDD connectors and a AUX conenctor for P4 Rambus style of motherboards. Old school all the way. The main reason I bought it are those beefy 3.3V and 5V rails. Plus it is my first PSU that can deliver 220W Max on those rails. I think that it is a member of the last wave of PSUs to do so after which they started switching mainly to 12V rails.

Dell stayed with 5V. on their BTX based systems which run up to Optiplex 780, and Precision t3400 LGA775. But 22A would have been on a dual CPU machine. EVGA has a pretty good 5V. rail on some of their recent PSUs. I've used them to power BTX systems in the past. But then decided the Dell stuff is pretty good and dirt cheap so I use those. But the power leads are cut to fit each sytem, and on BTX that means about a 6"long 24 pin cable. Also no 20+4, or 6+2, or 4+4. But over about 425W they have removable wiring harnesses.
Some of the Alienware and XPS systems were ATX based so sometimes thing can be worked out. The pre BTX Dells borked the MB connector pinout anyway.

Ruru · Dec 15, 2019

After seeing this, I think that I don't have much retro hardware.

Retrorockit · Dec 17, 2019

Here is a mod that may be useful for retro gamers or other fans of single thread apps.
Some P4/PD LGA775 MB bridged the gap to 65nm Core2 CPUs. The Extreme versions can be software overclocked on locked BIOS systems with Throttlestop software in Windows. TS can be hacked with a software editor to overclock just 2 cores. Many benchmarks won't allow 2 different speeds so it may be hard to post results if you try this. CPUZ will take it I think.

lexluthermiester · Dec 19, 2019

This might be a must see for anyone looking for classic hardware that is being remade!

Retrorockit · Dec 19, 2019

Did the originals have a Game controller port, and CD audio connector, or was that a later thing?

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biffzinker said:

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biffzinker · Dec 19, 2019

Retrorockit said:
Did the originals have a Game controller port, and CD audio connector, or was that a later thing?

The game controller port was on the first Sound Blaster. Creative has a list of highlights for the earlier Sound Blaster cards at the Creative website.

Sound Blaster Internal and External USB DAC and Amp Sound Cards and Buying Guide - Creative Labs (United States)

The Sound Blaster product range has an audio upgrade solution – internal and external—for every setup. Don’t stop at stunning visuals. Redefine your audio experience with Sound Blaster.

www.soundblaster.com

Ruru · Dec 19, 2019

biffzinker said:
The game controller port was on the first Sound Blaster. Creative has a list of highlights for the earlier Sound Blaster cards at the Creative website.

Sound Blaster Internal and External USB DAC and Amp Sound Cards and Buying Guide - Creative Labs (United States)

The Sound Blaster product range has an audio upgrade solution – internal and external—for every setup. Don’t stop at stunning visuals. Redefine your audio experience with Sound Blaster.

www.soundblaster.com

Ah, brings so much flashbacks.. Live! was legendary, still have an Audigy2 ZS for WinXP gaming and SBZ on my main PC.

...in a way, that green Audigy2 ZS looks hella cool instead of that brown PCB.

lexluthermiester · Dec 19, 2019

Retrorockit said:
Did the originals have a Game controller port, and CD audio connector, or was that a later thing?

That was a later thing, but it came soon after. The SoundBlaster16 was the fisrt Creative card to have a Game/Midi Port(IIRC).

Retrorockit · Dec 19, 2019

I had one in my AST 486/33sx. It had no cache memory and no math co processor. I upgraded it to an AMD 586- 133 Evergreen adapter, 256K L2 cache,4MB RAM, and an STB 2MB ISA video card. Of course the 32bit Pentiums were out by then. 3D gaming was done in DOS as I recall. It pretty much sucked.It played hell out of the fractal screen saver though!

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Robert B · Dec 21, 2019

Raekwon - Ice Cream

My second 3dfx Gainward Dragon 4000 Voodoo Banshee AGP 16MB ICUVGA-GW816D P/N: 9816-21!

In awesome condition ... NOT! ... maybe after I restore it!

Splinterdog · Dec 21, 2019

I recently acquired a beaten up Celeron D socket 478 on an ECS motherboard, that had probably lain dormant for years, so I couldn't resist giving it a bit of TLC.
First I upgraded the CPU to a Pentium 4 3.0Ghz to see how it ran and then did a big clean up, which was very satisfying.
It's got 1.5Gb of PC3200 RAM, I added a PNY Geforce 7600GS I had in a box, removed the 80mm fans due to their noise and condition, then installed Win 7, which runs like a dream.
Before

During

After

I left two CD drives in for decoration since I don't have any spare case panels that fit, added a network card as the onboard went kaput some years ago and also changed the PSU.
Can it run Crysis?
Only just

Previously it had XP installed, but I think Win 7 is far better for a PC of this type. Besides, I'll only ever install XP if I really have to, or it's in keeping with the CPU and general feel.

Mr.Scott · Dec 21, 2019

Performance wise, XP is right for that machine.

I understand the ease and smoothness of W7 though.

Ruru · Dec 21, 2019

Damn that bothers me when a stock heatsink with its Intel logo is upside down.

Mr.Scott · Dec 21, 2019

Chloe Price said:
Damn that bothers me when a stock heatsink with its Intel logo is upside down.

LOL
You can probably get medication for that. :laugh:

Ruru · Dec 21, 2019

Mr.Scott said:
LOL
You can probably get medication for that.

First world problems, no joking there :laugh:

Splinterdog · Dec 21, 2019

Chloe Price said:
Damn that bothers me when a stock heatsink with its Intel logo is upside down.

Fixed!

Retrorockit · Dec 21, 2019

I think the fan should be blowing towards the heatsink. But then you can't tell if the logo is the right way or not.

Ruru · Dec 21, 2019

Retrorockit said:
I think the fan should be blowing towards the heatsink. But then you can't tell if the logo is the right way or not.

I mean that I like the stock cooler's fan to be like this like in my HTPC.

Whoever designed that motherboard's 24pin placement, should be fired. And I know that one of the pushpins is broken, it's held with just two. After my Q6600 arrives, I'll be putting my old Alphacool Eisbaer to it.

Retrorockit · Dec 22, 2019

It's blowing toward the heatsink, and the logo is right side up. Perfect!
Here's a vid. of the CPU fan I'm running in my DellOptiplex 380 BTX Mini Tower.

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biffzinker · Dec 22, 2019

Chloe Price said:
Damn that bothers me when a stock heatsink with its Intel logo is upside down.

Put the case panel back on. Problem solved.

Splinterdog said:
I recently acquired a beaten up Celeron D socket 478 on an ECS motherboard, that had probably lain dormant for years, so I couldn't resist giving it a bit of TLC.
First I upgraded the CPU to a Pentium 4 3.0Ghz to see how it ran and then did a big clean up, which was very satisfying.
It's got 1.5Gb of PC3200 RAM, I added a PNY Geforce 7600GS I had in a box, removed the 80mm fans due to their noise and condition, then installed Win 7, which runs like a dream.
Before
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During
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After
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I left two CD drives in for decoration since I don't have any spare case panels that fit, added a network card as the onboard went kaput some years ago and also changed the PSU.
Can it run Crysis?
Only just
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Previously it had XP installed, but I think Win 7 is far better for a PC of this type. Besides, I'll only ever install XP if I really have to, or it's in keeping with the CPU and general feel.

What was the Celeron model you swapped out?

Ruru · Dec 22, 2019

biffzinker said:
Put the case panel back on. Problem solved.

With a windowed side panel? :rolleyes:

Bones · Dec 22, 2019

Does anyone (Except Mr. Scott

) know the name of this item?

bobbybluz · Dec 22, 2019

Now I have to go dig my "museum" PC out of the basement and take a few pix. Asus A7N8X Deluxe rev 2.0, XP 3200+ 400fsb Barton, 2GB Corsair XMS 440mhz RAM (with the nifty LED's on top), Thermaltake Volcano 11, ATI 9800 Pro, Audigy 2 Platinum eX, Antec True Control 550 PSU, huge full-size black server case. It had two WD 36GB Raptors in RAID 0 originally but they died long ago. I put two 30GB WD Caviar Blacks in it a few years ago because I had them in my parts pile. It originally ran Windows 2000 but I went to XP due to lack of driver support. I last had it running earlier this year for testing old GPU's I was putting up for sale on Ebay.

lexluthermiester · Dec 22, 2019

Splinterdog said:
Previously it had XP installed, but I think Win 7 is far better for a PC of this type. Besides, I'll only ever install XP if I really have to, or it's in keeping with the CPU and general feel.

Mr.Scott said:
Performance wise, XP is right for that machine.

Have to agree with Scotty, XP would be much better performance wise. It's got less bulk to the kernel and thus will feel snappier on a single core CPU like that P4, especially with XP's 4GB limitation. It's more period correct as well. This is just my 2cents, if you like it with 7, go with it!

BTW, great job with the cleanup and nice cable management!

System Name	BTXTREME
Processor	QX6800 SLACP Core2 Extreme
Motherboard	Dell 0WG864 LGA775 BTX
Cooling	Dell T9303 heatpipe cooler, Delta GFB1212VHG 2 motor fan.
Memory	8GB Dell DDR2@800
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Dual BIOS R9-285 ITX O/C 2GB DDR5
Storage	Crucial M500 240GB SSD
Display(s)	Dell 22" LCD
Case	Dell Dimension E 520 MT
Audio Device(s)	onboard sound with Logitech Z523 speakers
Power Supply	EVGA B2 750W semi modular
Mouse	Logitech wireless (two installed)
Keyboard	Logitech wireless backlit
Software	Win7-64, Throttlestop 6.00 overclock
Benchmark Scores	3DMark 11 P7644 (52% )In Win7 64, Firestrike 6892 ( 58% ) http://valid.x86.fr/l2j5p1

System Name	4K-gaming / media-PC
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X / Intel Core i7-6700K
Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero / Asus Z170-A
Cooling	Arctic Freezer 50 / Thermaltake Contac 21
Memory	32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3000
Video Card(s)	RTX 3080 10GB / RX 6700 XT
Storage	3.3TB of SSDs / several small SSDs
Display(s)	Acer 27" 4K120 IPS + Lenovo 32" 4K60 IPS
Case	Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH
Audio Device(s)	Creative Omni BT speaker
Power Supply	EVGA G2 750W / Fractal ION Gold 550W
Mouse	Logitech MX518 / Logitech G400s
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO / NOS C450 Mini Pro
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	They run Crysis

System Name	BTXTREME
Processor	QX6800 SLACP Core2 Extreme
Motherboard	Dell 0WG864 LGA775 BTX
Cooling	Dell T9303 heatpipe cooler, Delta GFB1212VHG 2 motor fan.
Memory	8GB Dell DDR2@800
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Dual BIOS R9-285 ITX O/C 2GB DDR5
Storage	Crucial M500 240GB SSD
Display(s)	Dell 22" LCD
Case	Dell Dimension E 520 MT
Audio Device(s)	onboard sound with Logitech Z523 speakers
Power Supply	EVGA B2 750W semi modular
Mouse	Logitech wireless (two installed)
Keyboard	Logitech wireless backlit
Software	Win7-64, Throttlestop 6.00 overclock
Benchmark Scores	3DMark 11 P7644 (52% )In Win7 64, Firestrike 6892 ( 58% ) http://valid.x86.fr/l2j5p1

System Name	BTXTREME
Processor	QX6800 SLACP Core2 Extreme
Motherboard	Dell 0WG864 LGA775 BTX
Cooling	Dell T9303 heatpipe cooler, Delta GFB1212VHG 2 motor fan.
Memory	8GB Dell DDR2@800
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Dual BIOS R9-285 ITX O/C 2GB DDR5
Storage	Crucial M500 240GB SSD
Display(s)	Dell 22" LCD
Case	Dell Dimension E 520 MT
Audio Device(s)	onboard sound with Logitech Z523 speakers
Power Supply	EVGA B2 750W semi modular
Mouse	Logitech wireless (two installed)
Keyboard	Logitech wireless backlit
Software	Win7-64, Throttlestop 6.00 overclock
Benchmark Scores	3DMark 11 P7644 (52% )In Win7 64, Firestrike 6892 ( 58% ) http://valid.x86.fr/l2j5p1

Processor	Core i7-13700
Motherboard	MSI Z790 Gaming Plus WiFi
Cooling	Cooler Master RGB something
Memory	Corsair DDR5-6000 small OC to 6200
Video Card(s)	XFX Speedster SWFT309 AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT CORE Gaming
Storage	970 EVO NVMe M.2 500GB,,WD850N 2TB
Display(s)	Samsung 28” 4K monitor
Case	Phantek Eclipse P400S
Audio Device(s)	EVGA NU Audio
Power Supply	EVGA 850 BQ
Mouse	Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard	Logitech G G413 Silver
Software	Windows 11 Professional v23H2

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System Name	Ryzen Monster
Processor	Ryzen 7 5700X3D
Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VII WiFi
Cooling	Corsair H100i RGB Platinum
Memory	Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4x8GB) 3200Mhz CMW16GX4M2C3200C16
Video Card(s)	Asus ROG Strix RX5700XT OC 8Gb
Storage	WD Black 500GB NVMe 250Gb Samsung SSD, OCZ 500Gb SSD WD M.2 500Gb, plus three spinners up to 1.5Tb
Display(s)	LG 32GK650F-B 32" UltraGear™ QHD
Case	Cooler Master Storm Trooper
Audio Device(s)	Supreme FX on board
Power Supply	Corsair RM850X full modular
Mouse	Corsair Ironclaw wireless
Keyboard	Logitech G213
VR HMD	Headphones Logitech G533 wireless
Software	Windows 11 Start 11
Benchmark Scores	3DMark Time Spy 4532 (9258 March 2021, 9399 July 2021)

System Name	Master
Processor	Pair of Xeon X5675's @ 4.3
Motherboard	SR-2 Classified
Memory	12 GB of Corsair Dominator GT's @ 2000 7-7-7-21
Video Card(s)	EVGA GTX680
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova 750

Processor	Ryzen 2600
Motherboard	X470 Tachi Ultimate
Cooling	AM3+ Wraith CPU cooler
Memory	C.R.S.
Video Card(s)	GTX 970
Software	Linux Peppermint 10
Benchmark Scores	Never high enough

System Name	"The black one in the dining room" / "The Latest One"
Processor	Intel Xeon E5 2699 V4 22c/44t / i7 14700K @5.8GHz
Motherboard	Asus X99 Deluxe / ASRock Z790 Steel Legend WiFi
Cooling	Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 w/4 Silverstone FM121 fans / Arctic LF II 280 w Silverstone FHP141's
Memory	64GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 2400 (8x8) / 96GB G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 6400
Video Card(s)	EVGA RTX 1080 Ti FTW3 / Asus Tuff OC 4090 24GB
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo Plus, 1TB Samsung 860, 4 Western Digital 2TB / 2TB Solidigm P44 Pro & more.
Display(s)	43" Samsung 8000 series 4K / 50" Vizio M-series 4K
Case	Modded Corsair Carbide 500R / Modded Corsair Graphite 780 T
Audio Device(s)	Asus Xonar Essence STX/ Asus Xonar Essence STX II
Power Supply	Corsair AX1200i / Seasonic Prime GX-1300
Mouse	Logitech Performance MX, Microsoft Intellimouse Optical 3.0
Keyboard	Logitech K750 Solar, Logitech K800
Software	Win 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 IoT / Win 11 Enterprise IoT LTSC 24H2
Benchmark Scores	https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V11/display.php?id=202122048229