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MSI Says not all Radeon RX 5600 XT GPUs Can Hit 14 Gbps Memory Speed

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If end user does not flash then they won’t get the reviewer promised “updated” performance

If end user update BIOS they may damage their cards due to pushing GDDR6 out of spec

And AIB partnets get all the blame when either one of the above happens

What a scumbag move. Get your shit together RTG. This is getting worse and worse

Yeah I doubt they really want to have to deal with extra RMA's because AMD changed specs at the final hour, either way the AIB's certainly aren't the bad guys here. We all appreciate AMD are angels and can do no wrong, but this is shitty all round.
 
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These cards are priced between 250-380£ uk pounds.
There's got to be some differences in that, but I agree it's all been brought out in a turd way, could be leak's putting such a bad light on it but it should have been handled before the rumours.
The original specs are not changed and based on AMD statement will not be changed. Best case scenario is AIBs quickly phasing out the models with 12Gbps VRAM and replacing these with 14Gbps models - hopefully with a different model name. Worst case scenario is RX 5600XT on the market with 10% (and based on some reviews, larger) performance delta between models.
 
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The reference board probably did have the 14Gbps modules on them but its still a shitty move because if AMD tells AIB's what they should target and they can still hit that with 12Gbps modules which was completely possible then AMD should have probably let them know ahead of time. Now theres this situation of cheaper cards not having modules fast enough and the situation where some like powercolor are having where they now need to up the cooling on some of their cards. For example the first Red Dragon 5600XT's have 1 heat pipe but after learning of the bios Powercolor made the desicion to add another heat pipe to the Red Dragons even though the V1 cards are still being sold. That also means that most of these cards haven't even been validated yet which is ridiculous. Also just because the card does have the 14Gbps modules does not mean that it can hold those clocks with any stability if the original board design was for the 12Gbps memory.
 
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Anyone savvy enough to apply the BIOS update should be savvy enough to test their memory at 14 Gbps before doing so.
 
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It's clear that Navi 10 was an overpriced gpu for this configuration. When paired with true 14 gb/s memory, board partners are having a tough time selling the for much cheaper than the 5700.

This card is a fail for the board partners. AMD would have been better off running Navi 14 with 12 gb/s of 192 bit GDDR6. Most likely they could have sold it as a high volume mid-range product in the $230 or lower range, competing against the 1660 Super.
 
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why not just increase the timings of those unable to reach 14?
 
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In case of RX5600 XT, AMD's own specs say 12GBps - @jabbadap linked above to AMD specs page: https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/graphics
Anandtech has details about the last-minute BIOS changes: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15422/the-amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt-review/2

I am not talking about that, I am referring to specific modules that they employ. Manufacturers can't change the modules or the supplier on a whim just because on AMD's web page it says "12Gbps" and that's good enough. Cards usually are shipped with a different BIOS depending on what modules are used if for some reason they decided to use more than one type or supplier, that's for an oblivious reason, not every module will do even if it meets the speed requirement.

Nothing gets in a card without AMD's knowledge and approval because it wont work otherwise.
 
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That said I fully feel as if MSI buys lower grade components that are rated for what they are but aren't good enough to do a bit more and they''ll use it on anything, even high end.
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Lie or did they buy some knockoff chips from china?
 
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Cmon. Cards are not built on recommendations. Cards are built to specifications. Check the AMD 5600XT release slides, check the AMD specs page for 5600XT and read what Anandtech review writes on topic.
I was going to post something similar. AMD offered no reference design, which is all the more convenient with this mess. However, the pre-launch clocks are still the base requirement in order to sell as a 5600XT. The revised launch specs are the guidance for the OC models, likely throwing a bone to OEMs to sell this card without needing an immediate price cut. Personally, I think they just made a mess of this and left their OEMs holding the bag. They played a game of chicken with nvidia and swerved too late. They didn’t seem to communicate well with partners. It will all get sorted out, but it sounds there will be 2 versions of this card out there now.
 
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look at the names who's complaining about the aibs
no surpise

tbf, whenever AMD does crap like this happens MSI always seems to be front and center or the only board partner that can't handle the changes.
 
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I see the excuse was already developed :p AMD makes a last minute drastic change to specification, the most unprofessional move imaginable, putting board partners in terrible position, but soon it will be board partner's fault because of false accusations about using poor quality components. You people just don't deserve these cards, neither does AMD.
 
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I am not talking about that, I am referring to specific modules that they employ. Manufacturers can't change the modules or the supplier on a whim just because on AMD's web page it says "12Gbps" and that's good enough. Cards usually are shipped with a different BIOS depending on what modules are used if for some reason they decided to use more than one type or supplier, that's for an oblivious reason, not every module will do even if it meets the speed requirement.

Nothing gets in a card without AMD's knowledge and approval because it wont work otherwise.
You are flat out wrong here. Memory modules are standard spec and many graphics cards use memory modules from different vendors. If memory module meets the speed requirement it will work. If it is a faster memory module it is fine - it will work at a lower speed as BIOS dictates.
 
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This thread will be already on the 3rd page of complaints about how scumbag Nvidia is. :D
Everybody knows nGreedia is a scumbag, we don't need another thread to confirm this.
 

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Ohh no, all the bad gddr6 ram can't go/support 14Gb/s. Who we gonna call? MSI ghost busters!
 
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Yeah its all a bit of a stuff up but at the same time its a good thing, we should thank both companies Nvidia and AMD, Nvidia for dropping prices that forced AMDs hand and AMD then to give us a free upgrade in performance and keeping the prices the same, in the end its us the consumer that wins, even if it is a bit messy.
 
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And people wonder why AMD"s GPU market share drops like a stone.

Boy... yeah I really do wonder why. How about 'this company cannot be trusted'. The number of topics on artifacting and breaking AMD GPUs are vastly outnumbering the ones on Nvidia cards, but we could never put the finger on it because things were 'as specced'. I wonder why that happens too when the market share is only a quarter of Nvidia's. Now we know better. Its not just abysmal power management and heat, its the VRAM too.

Staying FAR FAR away from this company for any GPU anytime soon. Good luck with those consoles. After 560D and non existant overclocking dreams, stalling progress, now this?!

Utterly ridiculous and if anyone somehow feels AMD deserves benefit of doubt? Get yourself checked out. This isn't a player anymore, its a leftover of what once was. Let's hope Intel can rise above anything that is IGP level performance soon. Its the last chance.

'jebaited'... pffft

Yeah its all a bit of a stuff up but at the same time its a good thing, we should thank both companies Nvidia and AMD, Nvidia for dropping prices that forced AMDs hand and AMD then to give us a free upgrade in performance and keeping the prices the same, in the end its us the consumer that wins, even if it is a bit messy.

'a bit'. The company that engineers your product pushes a BIOS update that shortens the lifespan for its OWN customers, willingly, and only to gain a minimal (PR) advantage versus the direct competitor?

Yeah just a bit of a stuff up :D Its fine though, you can always flash back right? ...at your own risk.

Note that AIBs now apply a binning process to the very same chips that are deemed 'not stable', and put the better bins in '14 Gbps' GPUs. A comforting thought isn't it. I think they'll make it just past warranty. Now that's consumers winning for sure!

tbf, whenever AMD does crap like this happens MSI always seems to be front and center or the only board partner that can't handle the changes.

Actually MSI is always the first telling us an honest story, and being consistent with its GPU releases and tiering. Except maybe if its coming from a random MSI rep. But this is an announcement. The real question is why AIBs are not coming out with one story together. It shows that the rest is trailing the music and unable to draw the same conclusions yet, or just slow. None of that is a good thing that shows dedication in any way, or is it?

Mark my words. These 14 Gbps models are going to be more prone to failure too.

You are flat out wrong here. Memory modules are standard spec and many graphics cards use memory modules from different vendors. If memory module meets the speed requirement it will work. If it is a faster memory module it is fine - it will work at a lower speed as BIOS dictates.

Precisely. Reading between the lines here, too huh

The original specs are not changed and based on AMD statement will not be changed. Best case scenario is AIBs quickly phasing out the models with 12Gbps VRAM and replacing these with 14Gbps models - hopefully with a different model name. Worst case scenario is RX 5600XT on the market with 10% (and based on some reviews, larger) performance delta between models.

That is the only possible way both AMD and AIBs can save face here. Pull the entire launch, recall all sold and ordered GPUs and replace with officially specced 14Gbps modules.

Anything else : 'You got screwed'
 
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oh yes,it's definitely msi who can't get all 12gbps memory chips to work at 14 gbps
Perhaps that's MSI who was "leaker suspect" and wasn't included in the "prepare for me mbump" circle.
Or perhaps they need reasons to sell overpirced 5600XTs (the most expensive AIB card is by MSI)

Powercolor/Sapphire make no such claims.


Besides, having this:

ASUS:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...cing-vbios-easy-1-click-updater.263174/unread

Gigabyte:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...c-vbios-update-and-easy-updater.263178/unread

Sapphire:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...600-xt-convenient-vbios-updates.263175/unread

MSI:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...s-updates-through-dragon-center.263176/unread

Powercolor:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/powercolor-releases-rx-5600-xt-unleashed-bios.263177/



I wonder how any manufacturer would dare to make "nope, no warranty" claim.

why AMD"s GPU market share drops like a stone.
In which parallel universe has that happened?

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Perhaps that's MSI who was "leaker suspect" and wasn't included in the "prepare for me mbump" circle.
Or perhaps they need reasons to sell overpirced 5600XTs (the most expensive AIB card is by MSI)

Powercolor/Sapphire make no such claims.


Besides, having this:

ASUS:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...cing-vbios-easy-1-click-updater.263174/unread

Gigabyte:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...c-vbios-update-and-easy-updater.263178/unread

Sapphire:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...600-xt-convenient-vbios-updates.263175/unread

MSI:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...s-updates-through-dragon-center.263176/unread

Powercolor:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/powercolor-releases-rx-5600-xt-unleashed-bios.263177/



I wonder how any manufacturer would dare to make "nope, no warranty" claim.


In which parallel universe has that happened?

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Mindfactory.de :) Yeah. Share resurged to 30 odd percent for a short while while Nvidia couldn't sell overpriced Turing GPUs. Wooptiedoo? One bump doesn't define a trend.

Until Ampere, then its back down to 25 or lower...
Also. are you seriously enlarging a screenshot for nearly 50% 'market share' that only applies to a single year? How does that define market share? LOL... Still need your coffee?

And then there is this:
"The JPR data showed that the overall discrete GPU market was weak in the second quarter. AIB shipments down 16.6% sequentially and 39.7% YoY, which reflects the impact of excess GPU inventory after the crypto bubble burst. "

So what's really being said is that while AMD gained share from Nvidia, the net result is still down YoY and even sequentially.
 
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Powercolor/Sapphire make no such claims.

Powercolor:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/powercolor-releases-rx-5600-xt-unleashed-bios.263177/

Sapphire:
Yes, they do.

Well, not Sapphire but with the sole model with different memory spec and it being the launch/review card, Sapphire is in a bit of different situation here. Sapphire only has that one Pulse model that has 14Gbps in its specs from the beginning while all the other cards did not, including the ones that have the specs updated to 14Gbps now (which I assume is because they had 14Gbps memory chips to begin with). Still, that is not all 5600XT cards and there is still a good amount of 12Gbps cards.

Powercolor has 3 RX5600XT models (https://www.powercolor.com/products?id=1492658578&type=1577415667)
Red Devil, Red Dragon and a basic one. If you look at the Unleashed BIOS story, Red Devil and Red Dragon will get the BIOS update while basic one will not. Powercolor's specs page shows why - basic one has 12Gbps memory.
 
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Is this a case of AMD specifying that Navi run with 14GB/s GDDR6 chips, and then board partners cutting corners because the original spec only called for 12GB/s operation?

AMD wouldn't change the spec to 14GB/s if they'd told manufacturers to source 12GB/s GDDR6 in the first place.

IMO, AMD made the change knowing there was headroom in the original design and it turns out that the board vendors have been taking that headroom for their own profit by using cheaper VRAM instead.
 
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AMD statement via Anandtech's review said:
Based on ongoing testing with our board partners, we have raised the GPU core and memory frequencies for overclocked Radeon RX 5600 XT SKUs to take advantage of increased thermal and electrical headroom built into partner’s custom designs. The updated VBIOS has been made available to our board partners for inclusion in select OC SKUs at launch. AMD is dedicated to disrupting the market with industry-leading compute products, and the new VBIOS makes the Radeon RX 5600 XT an even more powerful contender for high-performance 1080p gaming. Previously announced product specs are unchanged, as they remain AMD’s recommended reference design specs.
 

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Taking a quick look, all of Asrock's current 5600XT offerings (3) are 12's, same for Gigabyte (2), and XFX have 6 models at launch and they are all 12's, so it feels like it confirms what some have said, the base spec is 12 but there are some manufacturers simply cherry picking memory to use @ 14 and in turn make a few extra $, personally if that is true I don't have an issue with that but again as some have mentioned, if people buy a 12 card and just flash the card to 14 because there are "official" Bioses out there then that is different.
 
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You are flat out wrong here. Memory modules are standard spec and many graphics cards use memory modules from different vendors. If memory module meets the speed requirement it will work. If it is a faster memory module it is fine - it will work at a lower speed as BIOS dictates.

If I am flat out wrong that must mean that the cards which use different modules from different manufactures are shipped with a different BIOS for absolutely no reason at all, right ? And if you flash the wrong BIOS, despite the fact that all chips are rated at the same speed, you brick the card.

OK, got it, makes sense.
 
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