Microsoft Confirms Xbox Series X Specs - 12 TFLOPs, Custom APU With Zen 2, RDNA 2, H/W Accelerated Raytracing

TheDeeGee · Feb 24, 2020

Joss said:
That's if the Coronavirus situation is contained by then.

Doubt it at this rate, no cure being tested on people until late April.

Fluffmeister · Feb 24, 2020

Chomiq said:
2018:

Nvidia: These 11 Titles First to Support RTX Ray Tracing

Nvidia's RTX 2000-series cards offer promising Ray Tracing and AI-based feature upgrades. But beyond a short list of games, there's plenty we don't know yet.

www.tomshardware.com

Late 2019:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/games-support-nvidia-ray-tracing/

So they went from 11 to 10 titles that support SOME of the RTX features. Remind me please, what's Nvidia's GPU marketshare? Sure, they're waiting for AMD to keep up...

Last time I checked the only hardware to support either VRS or DXR was Turing, but you are all correct Nvidia are once again doomed and playing catch-up.

Assimilator · Feb 24, 2020

Remember when people bought consoles to play games on? Imagine if the marketing focused on the games that this console will let you play. Crazy suggestion, I know!

Chomiq said:
2018:

Nvidia: These 11 Titles First to Support RTX Ray Tracing

Nvidia's RTX 2000-series cards offer promising Ray Tracing and AI-based feature upgrades. But beyond a short list of games, there's plenty we don't know yet.

www.tomshardware.com

Late 2019:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/games-support-nvidia-ray-tracing/

So they went from 11 to 10 titles that support SOME of the RTX features. Remind me please, what's Nvidia's GPU marketshare? Sure, they're waiting for AMD to keep up...

If RTX is so irrelevant then why is AMD supporting it?

ARF · Feb 24, 2020

medi01 said:
Cross platform TF comparison is highly misleading, when talking about gaming perf.

5700XT is RDNA and 9.7Tflops.
RDNA2 chip at 12T should be about 20%+ faster, so around 2080.

Next gen consoles are going to be insane value.

PS
It is also curious that AMD is sitting on a 2080 perf level 320-330mm2 chip and not releasing it.

Around RTX 2080 Super.
That's a custom chip made for MIcrosoft, they can't release it as a graphics card for gaming.
That's Navi 21 505 mm2 job.

TheDeeGee said:
Doubt it at this rate, no cure being tested on people until late April.

China has just reported that they have a vaccine.

Fluffmeister said:
Keep up? They are waiting for AMD to support it too, this is good all round.

Besides the myth that the current gen consoles would help AMD storm ahead didn't come to shit either.

They do help but Nvidia uses other things to uplift its graphics performance - it's like AMD uses High quality settings natively in the Radeon Settings, while Nvidia uses Performance settings in the Control panel.

Assimilator said:
If RTX is so irrelevant then why is AMD supporting it?

Because it's a joint effort of everyone in the industry, including Microsoft and AMD.
I don't know why Nvidia hurried so much, when the hardware is not ready and the RTX performance is quite low.

medi01 · Feb 24, 2020

"Big Navi" "leak" by a known "you could as well trust things randomly typed by monkeys" site:

[UPDATE]Alleged AMD Next-Gen Flagship Navi 'Radeon RX' GPU Specifications Leaked - 5120 Cores, 24 GB HBM2e Memory, 2 TB/s Bandwidth

The alleged specifications of AMD's next-gen 'Big Navi' GPU powerhouse that powers the enthusiast gaming Radeon RX cards have leaked.

wccftech.com

Assimilator said:
If RTX is so irrelevant then why is AMD supporting it?

I remember VR that many rushed to support, Sony even rolled out PS4 pro.
Where is all that now?

))

Consoles are made for years to come, they didn't want to miss they train, understandably.

AMD supports DXR, not "RTX", mkay?
DXR is not RTX.
RT is not RTX either.

30-40 millions of consoles with AMD's chip will be rolled out in 2021. (and roughly at the same pace, for about 5 years to come)
Whatever tech it supports, will become a de facto standard.
It could, and in fact, based on AMD's patent it likely is, quite different from NV approach.

ARF said:
Around RTX 2080 Super.

How so?
I used ref 5700XT as a base.

Vayra86 · Feb 24, 2020

dj-electric said:
TFLOPS became de-facto marketing term by now. Hollow and meaningless as they come.

This. I don't even bother with that number tbh

But... its not some shitty last years midranger that is for sure. Man, I really hope AMD is going to wow us with a new GPU that does RT well and smashes performance charts. Let's pray that the consoles are going to be good at least for thát.

ARF · Feb 24, 2020

medi01 said:
How so?
I used ref 5700XT as a base.

12 : 9.7 and then compared to:

medi01 said:
"Big Navi" "leak" by a known "you could as well trust things randomly typed by monkeys" site:

[UPDATE]Alleged AMD Next-Gen Flagship Navi 'Radeon RX' GPU Specifications Leaked - 5120 Cores, 24 GB HBM2e Memory, 2 TB/s Bandwidth

The alleged specifications of AMD's next-gen 'Big Navi' GPU powerhouse that powers the enthusiast gaming Radeon RX cards have leaked.

wccftech.com

“…Radeon product management lead, Mithun Chandrasekhar, hinted at the red team’s plan for 4K domination…”

Like Ryzen, AMD’s Big Navi is “going to similarly disrupt 4K” gaming

Like Ryzen, AMD’s Big Navi is “going to similarly disrupt 4K” gaming

"All of us need a thriving Radeon GPU ecosystem. So, are we going after 4K, and going to similarly disrupt 4K? Absolutely."

www.pcgamesn.com

Vayra86 · Feb 24, 2020

Assimilator said:
Remember when people bought consoles to play games on? Imagine if the marketing focused on the games that this console will let you play. Crazy suggestion, I know!

If RTX is so irrelevant then why is AMD supporting it?

Good games take effort and actual talent man, and you can't just outsource a bunch of goons to do it.

medi01 said:
It could, and in fact, based on AMD's patent it likely is, quite different from NV approach.

The block diagrams we got to see were showing something rather similar really. Probably some tweaks here and there.

ARF said:
“…Radeon product management lead, Mithun Chandrasekhar, hinted at the red team’s plan for 4K domination…”

Like Ryzen, AMD’s Big Navi is “going to similarly disrupt 4K” gaming

Like Ryzen, AMD’s Big Navi is “going to similarly disrupt 4K” gaming

"All of us need a thriving Radeon GPU ecosystem. So, are we going after 4K, and going to similarly disrupt 4K? Absolutely."

www.pcgamesn.com

Plans, yes. Disruption, yes. Products, pls

cucker tarlson · Feb 24, 2020

all in all,from what little I gathered about what rt cores do,it is not really that computationally intensive.they're just an in-between calculation step for normal shading.
I mean,what is it about the amd approach that's really that different ?

Lindatje · Feb 24, 2020

ARF said:
China has just reported that they have a vaccine.

Source?

ARF · Feb 24, 2020

Lindatje said:
Source?

Animal testing begins for first novel coronavirus vaccines in China https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/animal-testing-novel-coronavirus-vaccine/

There is communication between Chinese authorities and Russia and I read it.

renz496 · Feb 24, 2020

Lindatje said:
Now Ray Tracing will really get off the ground, hope Nvidia can still keep up with Ray Tracing as the games are going to be optimized for AMD.

When 8th gen console being dominated by AMD did tessellation suddenly becoming much faster on AMD hardware on pc?

sepheronx · Feb 24, 2020

I just may end up with one of these.

kings · Feb 24, 2020

CD Projekt Red:

Gamers should never be forced to purchase the same game twice or pay for upgrades. Owners of #Cyberpunk2077 for Xbox One will receive the Xbox Series X upgrade for free when available.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1231961469669068800

dinmaster · Feb 24, 2020

just want to point out the new hardware that isn't out yet in the pc market which is what the consoles are going to use. When it does come out, pc cards (3080, 6000 series) will be the same or better than console then it will like before slip into oblivion as future hardware comes out for pc. gpu and m.2 is the driving force of these new consoles from what i get. If i can change them then i might be interested... but that hasn't happened gpu wise yet.

ARF · Feb 25, 2020

medi01 said:
"Big Navi" "leak" by a known "you could as well trust things randomly typed by monkeys" site:

[UPDATE]Alleged AMD Next-Gen Flagship Navi 'Radeon RX' GPU Specifications Leaked - 5120 Cores, 24 GB HBM2e Memory, 2 TB/s Bandwidth

The alleged specifications of AMD's next-gen 'Big Navi' GPU powerhouse that powers the enthusiast gaming Radeon RX cards have leaked.

wccftech.com

Chomiq · Feb 25, 2020

Assimilator said:
If RTX is so irrelevant then why is AMD supporting it?

I never said it's irrelevant. I said that over 2 years we haven't seen that much of support for a feature that was (and to this day is) the key selling point for their cards. Some Nvidia guy even admitted recently that their initial prognosis was too optimistic and that RTX implementation turned out to be problematic for "some" of the devs.
Also don't confuse RTX with DXR.

HwGeek · Feb 25, 2020

Did some calc based on avg clocks from TPU reviews:
RTX 2070 FE: 8.5 Tflops@1.85Ghz avg clock
Nitro RX 5700XT: 10.2 Tflops @2Ghz avg clock
RTX 2070 has 84% of Tflops vs 5700XT while performance is 93% vs 5700XT.

IMO NV's tflops values are misleading because their listed boost clocks is always around -200mhz vs actual avg clock in games (1620mhz listed- 1850Mhz actual).
So in reality performance/tflops on RDNA is closer to RTX then listed on official numbers, RDNA2 will close the gap IMO.

ZoneDymo · Feb 25, 2020

dj-electric said:
TFLOPS became de-facto marketing term by now. Hollow and meaningless as they come.

But how many megapixels does it have?

Assimilator said:
If RTX is so irrelevant then why is AMD supporting it?

Same reasong PhysX went nowhere it was suppose to go to.
As long as its 1 company pushing it, its not going to get the support it needs to be relevant.

cucker tarlson · Feb 25, 2020

HwGeek said:
Did some calc based on avg clocks from TPU reviews:
RTX 2070 FE: 8.5 Tflops@1.85Ghz avg clock
Nitro RX 5700XT: 10.2 Tflops @2Ghz avg clock
RTX 2070 has 84% of Tflops vs 5700XT while performance is 93% vs 5700XT.

IMO NV's tflops values are misleading because their listed boost clocks is always around -200mhz vs actual avg clock in games (1620mhz listed- 1850Mhz actual).
So in reality performance/tflops on RDNA is closer to RTX then listed on official numbers, RDNA2 will close the gap IMO.

2070 and 5700xt are the same

HwGeek · Feb 25, 2020

I used most recent RX 5700XT Nitro review for calc - not the reference.

The Quim Reaper · Feb 25, 2020

All very impressive but the fact remains that with no exclusive games, as a PC gamer with a 9900K & 2080, I have absolutley no incentive whatsoever to want one or need one.

..as powerful as it is, I'm just one GPU upgrade away from stomping all over it and seeing the PC version of their games run even better than the Series X can.

The PS5 on the other hand with all its exclusive 1st party content is a different matter entirely, even if it is (slightly) less powerful than the X.

ARF · Feb 25, 2020

cucker tarlson said:
2070 and 5700xt are the same

The RX 5700 XT has problems at 2160p, it has bottlenecks somewhere in its configuration.
Better show 1080p where it is equal to RTX 2070 Super.

cucker tarlson · Feb 25, 2020

HwGeek said:
I used most recent RX 5700XT Nitro review for calc - not the reference.

And stock 2070
You're beating the dead horse,the reviews have been out for months.
Aib vs aib 5700xt is same as 2070,aib OC same as 2060 super.

HwGeek · Feb 25, 2020

You don't get it do you? tflops I have calculated based on the avg clocks of the cards and compared to their performance on RX 5700XT Nitro review.
Using different RTX 2070 won't change the performance/tflops ratio (I am comparing tflops/performance ratio between RDNA and Turing).

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