Which NVIDIA Ampere card would you buy?

[ThrashZone]

Since this is a serious question, the idea here is not about doubling the performance at the same die size, but rather of increasing the size of the die.
Navi 10 is 250 sq mm, while AMD had most of past top dies between 350-600 sq mm.
They can do that easily, the only question is if it's part of their strategy.

Hi,
If amd could they would otherwise way too much credit given but yeah would be nice to shake nv tree

 

[EarthDog]

We know that TSMC yields are super great at 7nm. We know from sources, but also because of the consoles and of the CPU's.

Super great, lol.. is that the technical term for it?

Consoles are using potato GPUs compared to what needs to come out of the wafer for a 2x performance increase.


So again...........we all wait with bated breath to see AMD nearly DOUBLE performance to compete (performance). I'll stand by what I've said multiple times through all the rumors. Now that we have NV SKU I can refine that. AMD's flagship will land between the 3070 and 3080. How close to the 3080 is the big question in my head. I see it coming within 10-15% at best (an 85-90% performance increase over 5700 XT)... but hope it is closer and power is still inline in getting there. Only time will tell......

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Super great, lol.. is that the technical term for it?

Consoles are using potato GPUs compared to what needs to come out of the wafer for 2x performance increase.

You realise only about 10 game's have been shown running BY Nvidia.
And that reasoned testing has not yet been done, no matter how good Nvidia actually make cards , they're even better at marketing than manufacturing.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Super great, lol.. is that the technical term for it?

The more technical ortograph woud be "Supa great"

Consoles are using potato GPUs compared to what needs to come out of the wafer for 2x performance increase.

The thing I'm hinting to is purely related to yields. Consoles have 4 extra CU each as a redundancy against defaults, and consistent rumors are that defaults are so rare that they are thinking of systematically enabling 2 additional CU's. That's a hint that defaults are rare and yields are very solid.

 

[nguyen]

Imagine AMD selling a 500mm2 die with 512bit bus and 16GB GDDR6 at 600usd, the profit margin would be next to nothing (or negative margin like Radeon VII).
They would rather use all that 7nm wafers making Zen 3 and the rest for consoles where they make good profit.

 

[EarthDog]

You realise only about 10 game's have been shown running BY Nvidia.
And that reasoned testing has not yet been done, no matter how good Nvidia actually make cards , they're even better at marketing than manufacturing.

Yep. You realize that even less has been shown on the AMD side, yet there's more of you trumpting its merits, right? I assume you see the irony there since you are clearly not an idiot.

I fully believe the 3080 in NON RTX/DLSS situations will be over 30% faster than 2080 Ti. When using DLSS, it all goes out the door (for better or worse IQ wise). If that happens to be correct, AMD still needs an ~80% boost to match it. I'm not even, and never have, based my opinions on marketing.

they're even better at marketing than manufacturing.

lol, like you can't say that for the marketing machine that is AMD, lololol.. come on....

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yep. You realize that even less has been shown on the AMD side, yet there's more of you trumpting its merits, right? I assume you see the irony there since you are clearly not an idiot.

I fully believe the 3080 in NON RTX/DLSS situations will be over 35% faster than 2080 Ti. When using DLSS, it all goes out the door (for better or worse IQ wise). If that happens to be correct, AMD still needs an 85% boost to match it.

I'm trumpeting a companies merit? Sure seams like you are while I am waiting on benches to gauge what's been shown.
And lumping people into perceived group's via reply is not right when they're reply is measured.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm trumpeting a companies merit? Sure seams like you are while I am waiting on benches to gauge what's been shown.
And lumping people into perceived group's via reply is not right when they're reply is measured.

The only thing I'm trumpeting is the same thing I have been for several weeks now (well before rumored results - OUR discussions previously didn't have these 'benchmarks' remember? Same story since then.. I have your post still bookmarked, in fact). I'm waiting as well for benchmarks. I just alluded to that point...but your instareply went over my additions.

PS - adjusted some values for accuracy above

 

[ThrashZone]

Imagine AMD selling a 500mm2 die with 512bit bus and 16GB GDDR6 at 600usd, the profit margin would be next to nothing (or negative margin like Radeon VII).
They would rather use all that 7nm wafers making Zen 3 and the rest for consoles where they make good profit.

Hi,
Yeah budget gaming almost as good as cell phone cloud gaming

 

[TheLostSwede]

NVIDIA just announced the GeForce RTX 3090 ($1500), RTX 3080 ($700) and RTX 3070 ($500).

Do you feel like Ampere is for you? If yes, which card are you most interested in? Or sticking with Turing? Or AMD?

Waiting for 1. your benchmarks 2. 2020 to come to and end 3. for a winning lottery ticket.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The only thing I'm trumpeting is the same thing I have been for several weeks now (well before rumored results - OUR discussions previously didn't have these 'benchmarks' remember? Same story since then.. I have your post still bookmarked, in fact). I'm waiting as well for benchmarks. I just alluded to that point...but your instareply went over my additions.

PS - adjusted some values for accuracy above

Personally I think your getting ahead of yourself the 3080 uses 320watts in stock form 20watts over ATX spec ,and that's without any tweaks(or ASUS /evga special)
The narrative I am hearing is totally different than what we heard when AMD pushed the bounds of power use on Polaris.
So yes I think Nvidia's marketing department exceeds the skills shown by Amd by far.

 

[EarthDog]

Personally I think your getting ahead of yourself the 3080 uses 320watts in stock form 20watts over ATX spec ,and that's without any tweaks(or ASUS /evga special)

Ahead of myself, how? What is your point here? What does the ATX spec have to do with anything? Either you power it, or your don't. Either you can tolerate the higher power use, or you can't. If saving a couple bucks a year is high on the priority list..... it is. But make no mistake about it, it isn't much more.

The narrative I am hearing is totally different than what we heard when AMD pushed the bounds of power use on Polaris.

Que? Are you serious? BOth sides bitch and complain about power use when the other team is using more. You aren't new here...now that power use is likely going to be higher on NV, suddenly the AMD clowns come out of the wood work... the same clowns that had a....foot.... in their mouths when AMD wasn't as efficient. It goes both ways, friend.

So yes I think Nvidia's marketing department exceeds the skills shown by Amd by far.

Yeah....... we'll agree to disagree here. Both companies are marketing machines man... lol.

 

[nguyen]

Personally I think your getting ahead of yourself the 3080 uses 320watts in stock form 20watts over ATX spec ,and that's without any tweaks(or ASUS /evga special)
The narrative I am hearing is totally different than what we heard when AMD pushed the bounds of power use on Polaris.
So yes I think Nvidia's marketing department exceeds the skills shown by Amd by far.

Let take a look at Vega power consumption shall we

One Power Hungry GPU: AMD Radeon Vega 56 Revisited in 2020

Today we're looking at AMD's Radeon RX Vega 56, originally a $400 product that was meant to compete against the GTX 1070 in mid 2017. If you're...

www.techspot.com

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Ahead of myself, how? What is your point here? What does the ATX spec have to do with anything? Either you power it, or your don't. Either you can tolerate the higher power use, or you can't.

Que? Are you serious? BOth sides bitch and complain about power use when the other team is using more. You aren't new here...now that power use is likely going to be higher on NV, suddenly the AMD clowns come out of the wood work... the same clowns that had a....foot.... in their mouths when AMD wasn't as efficient. It goes both ways, friend.

Yeah....... we'll agree to disagree here. Both companies are marketing machines man... lol.

Ok so since the narrative is the same I'll expect some to drag Nvidia over the coals then sweet, seams you expect the same.
Personally power use wouldn't stop me but that's not the same as saying I don't care,, it's a lower consideration.
I mean ahead of yourself because your here saying the fights over, pre independent benches.
And before the competition is out.
It might end up being so, but that's not known.
Accepted, we disagree , and that's ok.
@nguyen why do you sarky(apologies autocorrect) gets think I recall how much power use matters to some, have a think.

 

[EarthDog]

I mean ahead of yourself because your here saying the fights over, pre independent benches.
And before the competition is out.
It might end up being so, but that's not known.

I don't think the fight is over. My words don't say, infer, nor allude to that. In fact, I've left the door open, albeit with a fair amount of doubt. But is it over? No. Note I took the time, multiple times, to support why I feel this way. I've BEGGED to be proven wrong in my thoughts on where it will land. So far, nothing compelling has been brought up to sway me from the same educated guess I've had weeks ago.

If anyone was overconfident, it was you... who's post I bookmarked saying it would win!!!! Glass house... be careful!

 

[nguyen]

Ok so since the narrative is the same I'll expect some to drag Nvidia over the coals then sweet, seams you expect the same.
Personally power use wouldn't stop me but that's not the same as saying I don't care,, it's a lower consideration.
I mean ahead of yourself because your here saying the fights over, pre independent benches.
And before the competition is out.
It might end up being so, but that's not known.
Accepted, we disagree , and that's ok.
@nguyen why do you sarky(apologies autocorrect) gets think I recall how much power use matters to some, have a think.

Higher Power consumption is justified when the performance corresponds. If Vega 64 pull 400watt but exceed 1080 Ti performance no one would have complained that much.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I don't think the fight is over. My words don't say, infer, nor allude to that. In fact, I've left the door open, albeit with a fair amount of doubt. But is it over? No. Note I took the time, multiple times, to support why I feel this way. I've BEGGED to be proven wrong in my thoughts on where it will land. So far, nothing compelling has been brought up to sway me from the same educated guess I've had weeks ago.

If anyone was overconfident, it was you... who's post I bookmarked saying it would win!!!! Glass house... be careful!

Over confident, if you quote me right when you pull that bookmark you will re note the tongue in cheek nature of that debate and it ending on neither of us willing to bet a fiver.
I doubt I care enough to give a shit either way.
This is a hobby ,I'll loose no sleep if I'm wrong and AMD are un competitive.
I have a positive disposition I can't help that.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I'd love to see amd release something or anything that can keep up with nv sadly if they do they strew it driver wise.

 

[EarthDog]

Over confident, if you quote me right when you pull that bookmark you will re note the tongue in cheek nature of that debate and it ending on neither of us willing to bet a fiver.
I doubt I care enough to give a shit either way.
This is a hobby ,I'll loose no sleep if I'm wrong and AMD are un competitive.
I have a positive disposition I can't help that.

You doubled down on it a couple of days ago...

Just sayin'.

EDIT: Also, I thought we were going to use an avatar of the others choice for 30 days?

 

[Vya Domus]

Higher Power consumption is justified when the performance corresponds.

Higher power consumption is justified whenever you want it to because there is no objective measure of that. People switch their opinions as often as the direction of the wind when it's about NVIDIA vs when it's about AMD.

If you argue that say a 300W AMD card heats up your room to an unbearable degree then any 300W NVIDIA card would do that no matter how fast it would be. If you suddenly think it's not that bad because it reached a certain performance threshold, then you never actually cared about power because you are always willing to break that limit (the one about power). There is no problem with that, but I can't help but point out the hypocrisy.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You doubled down on it a couple of days ago...

Just sayin'.

Awe sweet must mean I am sold on it, that was after the Nvidia release that's got you excited, your win is going to be bigger in your head than mine.
Again I don't mind debating it , but it's not going to hurt if I'm wrong, every release I have hoped for competition, nowt new there.
As I said I am an optimistic guy, who sees stuff from his own perspective.

I been wrong loads of times and right a few ,but it's only school yard gossiping to me, no heat, it's not United V city after all, that could get heated.

 

[EarthDog]

Well, it didn't temper your opinion at all, lol. And I couldn't care less about it either. I just found it comical you went balls deep so early and sticking by it. Hence the gentle prodding (that and you aren't like some of these weksos members who get all butthurt about things!!!).

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well, it didn't temper your opinion at all. And I couldn't care less about it either. I just found it comical you went balls deep so early and sticking by it. Hence the gentle prodding.

Why not , in for a penny.

There are people ebaying 2080tis for a third the price, pre release.
I think enough people are loosing their shit, I won't be involved, I'm skint soo like the last GPU release I'll likely sit out this one till prices drop, but buying a Rtx 2060 laptop didn't create a purely Rosey experience and while I happily except progress I remember the marketing that pushed me to choose that specification and the lack of delivery regarding games utilising Rtx.
I personally was straight up enraged that quake and Minecraft were featured titles, I won't play those regardless of Rtx or not, I bought quake, nice demo shit game, now.

 

[EarthDog]

Most who claim to be balanced would only put the tip in.

(i'll stop now, lol)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Most who claim to be balanced would only put the tip in.

(i'll stop now, lol)

I'm far from balanced
And if I get the chance it's always balls deep or not at all, I fu£#@ng hate fence sitter's