Samsung Delivers Next-Level SSD Performance with 980 PRO

Tomgang · Sep 23, 2020

btarunr said:
Same here. I wanted this to be an MLC (2-bits per cell) drive.

Yeah. To me 980 PRO doesn't live up to its hype/reputation + the choice of using MLC chips. This is a step in the wrong direction for sure. It's a shame cause Samsung together with crucial has always been my choice to go to. Samsung for being fast and reliable and crucial for being cheaper but still reliable. I have had properly like 10 Samsung and crucial SSD over the last 9 years and none of them had ever failed me while 3 HDD had failed. Well one litterly fail and two getting bad sectors warning. The rest that goes wrong is because of old age or simply warrant out.

So for Samsung going this direction, is a poor choise. Cause there pro nvme SSD has else to this point been some of the best.

TheLostSwede · Sep 23, 2020

And one more review.

Samsung 980 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD Review: Redefining Gen4 Performance (Updated)

Powered by a new 8nm NVMe SSD controller and the company’s V6 V-NAND.

www.tomshardware.com

R0H1T · Sep 23, 2020

ExcuseMeWtf said:
You can change tires in your car though. Can customers plausibly change NAND chips in drives they buy?

No but if you want more endurance there are drives which will give you that, does the "premium" or PRO tag come with a guarantee or assurance that it'll only be for regular MLC (non TLC) drives? Does Ferrari sell you 1000 different shades of the same model under their "premium" brand name?

ExcuseMeWtf · Sep 23, 2020

R0H1T said:
No but if you want more endurance there are drives which will give you that, does the "premium" or PRO tag come with a guarantee or assurance that it'll only be for regular MLC (non TLC) drives? Does Ferrari sell you 1000 different shades of the same model under their "premium" brand name?

The problem is soon there will be little to no 2-bits per cell MLC drives left for people in the market for those. It already took a bit of research to get some in recent months.

And you can bet slippery slope will continue when eventually 5-bits per cell will hit mainstream (for Samsung as EVO offerings likely). Then Samsung PRO offerings will switch to QLC, further reducing durability and write performance, but undoubtedly making higher profits for producers.

Octopuss · Sep 23, 2020

So what is the speed difference of raw MLC and TLC?

silentbogo · Sep 23, 2020

TheLostSwede said:
I guess Samsung has worked out the warranty based on how much their average user writes to their drives.

Still didn't stop them from dropping warranty to 3 years on all QLC offerings regardless of nearly x1.5 endurance bump over competition (and being nearly twice that of their "calculated" 5y. average).

Octopuss said:
So what is the speed difference of raw MLC and TLC?

Just from the cell standpoint - around 33%. In an actual SSD you'll only see it once you are past SLC cache, or if you are doing lots of random I/O.
Everything else is relatively the same, but still depends on a controller, bus limitations, and of course - the amount of provisioned SLC in the pool.

Gungar · Sep 24, 2020

Assimilator said:
Samsung has always overcharged consumers and there has never been a valid reason for it. Wanting MLC over TLC because "TLC is evillllll" has never been a valid reason, sorry.

TLC is evil? where did it come from? What's evil its using pro branding for sad TLC chips.

ExcuseMeWtf · Sep 24, 2020

TLC is evil? where did it come from?

Straight from a load of straw.

Wanting MLC over TLC because "TLC is evillllll" has never been a valid reason, sorry.

Forget MLC vs TLC vs QLC vs 243254364354234324325326436LC.

Wanting any one product over any other product for any reason whatsoever is valid as long as it's your own money you're spending.

HugsNotDrugs · Sep 24, 2020

R0H1T said:
You mean more like a Ferrari with no name off brand tires. These aren't strictly "Ferraris" nor are they marketed as such, unless you think every "premium" car is a Ferrari & everyone of them does the (exact) same thing?

The Samsung Pro-series of SSDs is/was the most premium consumer SSDs in existence. They are the Ferrari of SSDs, using the more expensive MLC, and the MSRP reflects that status.

MLC NAND was part of what made the Pro series so unique and attractive. MLC is also expensive but it helped justify the high prices by providing the very best performance available in a consumer SSD.

csendesmark · Sep 25, 2020

Speed is promising, but the TBW sounds mild for me.
I bought my 970 PRO 512GB just because the fairly good speed an very good endurance.

Octopuss · Sep 25, 2020

I am not worried about endurance, but considering the price tag, this is not the Pro I would want.

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Samsung Delivers Next-Level SSD Performance with 980 PRO

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