Previously working GPU not working with new motherboard

[Fancypantaloons]

@Fancypantaloons any success yet? I concur you should try: different cables (power and display), as well as swapping in a different video card. I don’t think the card is the problem since you said it worked in the previous system.

It’s possible, but not likely GPU got shorted by static electricity and now doesn’t work. You could verify this by trying it in a different system.

No success yet. I tried different cables and same thing. Like you are saying, the card is not the problem because it worked on the previous system. I also tried different cards, same results. I tried my R7 in another system and still works. So I don't know!

See post #18.
Try another card in the board or your current card in another board. This will let you know if you have a card or board issue.
Cable will make no damn difference if the rig ain't seeing the card to begin with.

I tried 2 other graphics cards I got stored, same thing happens (those cards work in my previous system). Everything leads me to believe the issue is in the board or the BIOS.

I'm not the PC guru here, but if the card works to where you can see and get into the bios settings, my guess is the slot and card is good. I've never had any experience with a HDMI to VGA adapter, wouldn't there have to be some other type component thats integrated into a cable like that, for it to even work correctly in the OS?

Maybe I'm not being clear, excuse me if that's the case. I cannot get into the BIOS with my card, the screen gives no output at all while plugged into the card. I can only get to the BIOS and Windows through the internal graphics. I'm not using a HDMI to VGA adapter, but a DVI to VGA adapter.


Thank you all to keep trying to fix this with me. I don't see any end on sight. I'm thinking about doing what I'm about to write next, maybe you can tell me if it would work:

I'm thinking about taking the Intel i7 from this motherboard and install it in my old motherboard (where everything worked), but I don't know if they are compatible. They both use DDR3 memory. This motherboard is an Asus M4A88T-M/USB3. Would that processor work in this mother?

 

[Mr.Scott]

It's a board problem, not bios.
If you clear CMOS, at default settings the board should still see the card, whether it's using it or not.
Have you tried a different slot yet?

 

[xman2007]

it could well be the CPU or the motherboard but the chances of having 2 pcie slots become faulty would be very minimal, you said you tried both right? and as you have tried 2 other GPU's, I would be looking at the CPU and the pcie lanes, have you removed the CPU and inspected it/the socket for any observable damage?

It's a board problem, not bios.
If you clear CMOS, at default settings the board should still see the card, whether it's using it or not.
Have you tried a different slot yet?

I believe he said he tried the other slots in his OP though I could be wrong

 

[Fancypantaloons]

Yes I tried different slots and same results. I also cleared CMOS and tried default settings but to no avail. I don't observe any damage in the motherboard, at least not visible ones! I didn't remove the CPU but I will try and see, even though the PC is fully working (except for the graphics card of course).

 

[INSTG8R]

I definitely had to check when AMD dropped VGA support. But can’t pursue that angle the card definitely does tho the DVI adapter is still a bit of a question mark regardless. The DVI is apparently Dual Link so it’s digital so your adapter may only be for older DVI Analogue.
But regardless of that you‘ve said the card doesn’t even show up in Device Manager when using onboard? That board does have a short lived Hybrid solution Lucidlogix Virtu MVP allowing you to use both onboard and dedicated together. Unfortunately the instructions about enabling(disabling it aren’t entirely clear. But setting the display device as PEG should disable any of that. Only other thing I can find is under BIOS Features is try setting PCI Rom Priority to Legacy ROM that about all I can find for any/ kind of compatibility setting.

 

[Prime2515102]

I somehow doubt this will help, but you never know... Did you check the "clear DMI pool data" box when you flashed?

I honestly can't remember if this gets cleared when the battery is removed, but normal clearing of the BIOS, and flashing without the option enabled, won't clear it. So, that might have already happened when you removed the battery.

Shootin' in the dark here... this is bugging me now lol

 

[Mr Bill]

Maybe I'm not being clear, excuse me if that's the case. I cannot get into the BIOS with my card, the screen gives no output at all while plugged into the card. I can only get to the BIOS and Windows through the internal graphics. I'm not using a HDMI to VGA adapter, but a DVI to VGA adapter.

Sorry, @69 sometimes my old brain plays tricks on me.

 

[Fancypantaloons]

I definitely had to check when AMD dropped VGA support. But can’t pursue that angle the card definitely does tho the DVI adapter is still a bit of a question mark regardless. The DVI is apparently Dual Link so it’s digital so your adapter may only be for older DVI Analogue.
But regardless of that you‘ve said the card doesn’t even show up in Device Manager when using onboard? That board does have a short lived Hybrid solution Lucidlogix Virtu MVP allowing you to use both onboard and dedicated together. Unfortunately the instructions about enabling(disabling it aren’t entirely clear. But setting the display device as PEG should disable any of that. Only other thing I can find is under BIOS Features is try setting PCI Rom Priority to Legacy ROM that about all I can find for any/ kind of compatibility setting.

I tried both Legacy ROM and UEFI (or EFI idk exactly the letters) in the PCI Rom Priority, but with no luck. There are some other options that let you choose between Legacy and UEFI (or EFI, again), but they are not helping me in anyway. Maybe there is a combination I'm not trying but it's getting confusing.

I somehow doubt this will help, but you never know... Did you check the "clear DMI pool data" box when you flashed?

I honestly can't remember if this gets cleared when the battery is removed, but normal clearing of the BIOS, and flashing without the option enabled, won't clear it. So, that might have already happened when you removed the battery.

Shootin' in the dark here... this is bugging me now lol

I don't remember seeing an option that says "clear DMI pool data", where should it be? I'm going to hunt it down!

Sorry, @69 sometimes my old brain plays tricks on me.

Hey don't worry about it! It's hard to keep track of everything, happens to me too.

 

[claes]

I'm thinking about taking the Intel i7 from this motherboard and install it in my old motherboard (where everything worked), but I don't know if they are compatible. They both use DDR3 memory. This motherboard is an Asus M4A88T-M/USB3. Would that processor work in this mother?

I just wanted to say a) that I’m so impressed with your candor and patience in this thread and b) to say that you should definitely not do this — your old board is AMD and has a different socket than your new one.

Sorry I can’t be of more help; good luck!

 

[Prime2515102]

I don't remember seeing an option that says "clear DMI pool data", where should it be? I'm going to hunt it down!

It's at the bottom of "@ BIOS" which is the Windows flashing utility. It's on page 69 of the manual. I'm not seeing the option with QFlash (I think that's the utility built into the CMOS).

 

[xman2007]

its the board, or CPU, test either one of them and you will come to the same conclusion

 

[Fancypantaloons]

I just wanted to say a) that I’m so impressed with your candor and patience in this thread and b) to say that you should definitely not do this — your old board is AMD and has a different socket than your new one.

Sorry I can’t be of more help; good luck!

Hey! Thank you! I believe that without patience one cannot solve anything correctly. And thank you for letting me know about my old board! That idea is off the table for good!

It's at the bottom of "@ BIOS" which is the Windows flashing utility. It's on page 69 of the manual. I'm not seeing the option with QFlash (I think that's the utility built into the CMOS).

Oh I see! I updated the BIOS through an USB and using the Q-Flash thing, that's why I can't remember the option, but I will check again if it is somewhere in there. Regarding this a new question comes to my mind. The Q-Flash and/or @bios are only for updating the BIOS or can I use them to "flash" the BIOS? Flashing the BIOS is resetting it, right? I'm new to these terms!

 

[Prime2515102]

Oh I see! I updated the BIOS through an USB and using the Q-Flash thing, that's why I can't remember the option, but I will check again if it is somewhere in there. Regarding this a new question comes to my mind. The Q-Flash and/or @bios are only for updating the BIOS or can I use them to "flash" the BIOS? Flashing the BIOS is resetting it, right? I'm new to these terms!

Flashing is just the usual word for updating a BIOS. Also, after flashing, don't forget to go in and load defaults right after (this is in the manual).

 

[Fancypantaloons]

Flashing is just the usual word for updating a BIOS. Also, after flashing, don't forget to go in and load defaults right after (this is in the manual).

Yes, when I updated the BIOS to the lastest full version I loaded the defaults.
This brings another question...Updating to the lastest BETA version, would that help in any way? Also, what about downgrading? Maybe there is an older version that works?

 

[Prime2515102]

Yes, when I updated the BIOS to the lastest full version I loaded the defaults.
This brings another question...Updating to the lastest BETA version, would that help in any way? Also, what about downgrading? Maybe there is an older version that works?

You could try older and beta versions.

The good thing is that that board has "DualBIOS" which has a backup built-in if a new one fails to work, so using beta versions shouldn't be a problem even if they go wonky (see page 66 in the manual).

P.S. There are three revisions of that board also: 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2. I'm not sure if the BIOS's are different for each revision, but you want to make sure you download from the page with the right version.

If you go here, which is v1.0, there are links to the other two versions at the top of the page next to the model number.

 

[biffzinker]

I don't remember seeing an option that says "clear DMI pool data", where should it be? I'm going to hunt it down!

I haven’t seen any option in the BIOS. It’s triggered automatically by a hardware change just after the first Post screen you see on the monitor. Usually the monitor blanks out for a second and it shows up the next time the monitor displays an image with detected hardware summary. The updating DMI is on the bottom.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I'm not using a HDMI to VGA adapter, but a DVI to VGA adapter.

Hmmmm....Is the adapter correct? I think for it to work it must be DVI-I output to the adapter, not DVI-D.

Am I correct you are only using the adapter with your Discrete card, not not with the onboard graphics?

 

[INSTG8R]

Hmmmm....Is the adapter correct? I think for it to work it must be DVI-I output to the adapter, not DVI-D.

This I think is part of the display issue at least. It’s DVI-D output and can‘t just use a regular old VGA adapter.

 

[jaggerwild]

Remove the Battery, do an over night Cmos clear. Can you use a different VGA cable? Borrow another cable?

 

[Mussels]

The card could be dead

i remember years ago with an... x850? i removed the GPU from the slot to place my old one back in, but left the PCI-E power cable connected, and the GPU caught fire when i powered on the system... you could have just killed it by accident.

I cant recall if you tested it in another intact system, can you try that?

 

[Fancypantaloons]

You could try older and beta versions.

The good thing is that that board has "DualBIOS" which has a backup built-in if a new one fails to work, so using beta versions shouldn't be a problem even if they go wonky (see page 66 in the manual).

P.S. There are three revisions of that board also: 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2. I'm not sure if the BIOS's are different for each revision, but you want to make sure you download from the page with the right version.

If you go here, which is v1.0, there are links to the other two versions at the top of the page next to the model number.

Thank you! I will try different versions then, to see what happens. I guess it's the same process I used even for older versions.

Hmmmm....Is the adapter correct? I think for it to work it must be DVI-I output to the adapter, not DVI-D.

Am I correct you are only using the adapter with your Discrete card, not not with the onboard graphics?

The adapter is correct because I've been using it with the same card in my previous build just like 3 days ago. But even if it isn't, that doesn't explain why the card is not being recognized by the motherboard. That's why I think the problem resides in the motherboard or the BIOS. The card works, the adapter works, the cables and monitor work too, already tested with previous build.

Remove the Battery, do an over night Cmos clear. Can you use a different VGA cable? Borrow another cable?

The problem doesn't reside in the cable, because the card is not being recognized by the motherboard. Last night I put the same card in my previous motherboard, same cable, same monitor, and everything worked perfectly.

The card could be dead

i remember years ago with an... x850? i removed the GPU from the slot to place my old one back in, but left the PCI-E power cable connected, and the GPU caught fire when i powered on the system... you could have just killed it by accident.

I cant recall if you tested it in another intact system, can you try that?

Yes, I tried it with my previous build, both when I was using that build just three days ago and in the middle of this process to check exactly that, so the GPU is fine.



I really appreciate all the work you guys are putting here, I feel blessed! But we have to discard some things once and for all, things I tested and I'm 100% sure on it.

These are the things we can rule out and you can trust me in that. I was able to test them successfully:

1) The graphics card is working fine in previous motherboard.
2) The DVI to VGA adapter works fine, I've been using it for years and I tested it once again with my previous build and same graphics card.
3) The cables are working fine, also tested them again with my previous motherboard.


I cannot stop thinking about some kind of compatibility issue regarding Legacy, UEFI, between the graphics card and the motherboard. There's something I'm missing somewhere, a combination of settings or something.
Maybe the Legacy support of this BIOS is not working. I do not know if my graphics card is Legacy or UEFI. This is the first time I heard of UEFI, my previous motherboard had a "normal" BIOS, I guess that's Legacy. So I THINK my card is Legacy. If the support for it is not working properly maybe I just need to get a newer graphics card that supports UEFI.
Even when I reset the BIOS and leave the default settings as they are, this thing is not working!


Once again, I thank you all for your determination in this. I hope I'm being useful too, I'm aware I'm not a super pro-user so it can be frustrating.

 

[INSTG8R]

Unfortunately that is literally Ver1 of UEFI so it’s the very first try.so can only ask so much. Have you attempted to flash the latest Beta BIOS available it will at in the least give the latest fixes that would be available. Also because it’s literally UEFI MK1 I’m pretty sure it allows you to go back to the classic AMFI BIOS as well which might be worth a look to see if there’s any other possible settings available.

 

[Fancypantaloons]

Unfortunately that is literally Ver1 of UEFI so it’s the very first try.so can only ask so much. Have you attempted to flash the latest Beta BIOS available it will at in the least give the latest fixes that would be available. Also because it’s literally UEFI MK1 I’m pretty sure it allows you to go back to the classic AMFI BIOS as well which might be worth a look to see if there’s any other possible settings available.

I'm going to test the lastest BETA BIOS today, and I will get back to you. Also, do you know how can I go back to that classic AMFI BIOS you mention? I've not seen any options related to something like that.


Don't worry if it takes me some minutes or even hours to answer, I'm testing everything I can and at the same other life issues demand my attention. I will answer you always guys!

 

[INSTG8R]

I'm going to test the lastest BETA BIOS today, and I will get back to you. Also, do you know how can I go back to that classic AMFI BIOS you mention? I've not seen any options related to something like that.


Don't worry if it takes me some minutes or even hours to answer, I'm testing everything I can and at the same other life issues demand my attention. I will answer you always guys!

Well I has skimmed the manual and dual bios was mentioned and makes sense being the first UEFI attempt to have the AMFI bios as a fallback. I’ll poke through the manual again but I would think it would just be a different key press on Boot to go the “other one!

Well all I can find referencing any kind of Switch“ is this or also pressing F1 “Switch to 3D BIOS Screen“

 

[Fancypantaloons]

Well I has skimmed the manual and dual bios was mentioned and makes sense being the first UEFI attempt to have the AMFI bios as a fallback. I’ll poke through the manual again but I would think it would just be a different key press on Boot to go the “other one!

Well all I can find referencing any kind of Switch“ is this or also pressing F1 “Switch to 3D BIOS Screen“
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Yeah that goes to a screen of an interactive picture of the motherboard, it contains the same options as far as I can tell. I will also investigate to see what I can find!