AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

[TheDeeGee]

Seems TPU has something going on with gaming tests.

I've watched 5 reviews so far and in all those AMD beats Intel.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Not the best example as there are cars that are sold with this practice done on out of the factory today. Such as ABT tuned Audis. The engine isn't going to blow with a simple tune, in fact Toyota engines can take a ton of beating mostly. You can however say that, it impacts the turbocharger. Sometimes when they do that, they also toy with other things to compensate for it.

This by definition makes it 'tuned by the factory', not 'tuned by the dealer'. The factory would be Intel, the dealer would be HP. There are specialty shops who sell systems OC'd, but you pay for it. Intel will also sell you a heavily OC'd CPU (XE edition), but you also pay for that. Like triple normal cost for that 10% gain.

You buy a specialty car, you also pay for that.

But we're not talking about that, we're talking about normal CPUs at normal price points. i.e. for a car it's the shadetree mechanic modder doing bolt-ons. That's not at all the same thing as buying a say Shelby with a factory warranty.

 

[Stimer111]

Dear All,

Slow memory, please retest with 3600MHZ Trident Z memory for ryzen.
+2 percent in FPS will mena Intel is beaten and it is a big Thing.
With this 3200 memory it looks like bit old PC setup. and just 16GB ....even more
G.SKILL 32GB KIT DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 Trident Z RGB Neo for Ryzen 3000

F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Engineered and optimized for full compatibility on the latest AMD Ryzen platforms, Trident Z Neo brings unparalleled DRAM memory performance and vibrant RGB lighting to any gaming PC or workstation with latest AMD Ryzen CPUs and AMD DDR4 motherboards.

www.gskill.com

thanks

Used drivers are super Old,
23. 4. 2019 —
Version: 430.39 WHQL
File Size: 537.48 MB
Release Date: 2019.4.23

GPU is old too, please test with new 3070,3080

A leaked slide allegedly from AMD suggests 4,000MHz RAM is the sweet spot for low latency and high performance.

AMD Ryzen 5000 CPUs may run best with faster DDR4-4000 memory

A leaked slide allegedly from AMD suggests 4,000MHz RAM is the sweet spot for low latency and high performance.

www.pcgamer.com

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G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd., is announcing new DDR4 memory specifications under the Trident Z Neo series, optimized for the new AMD Ryzen 5000 processors. Featuring ultra-high speeds of up to DDR4-4000 CL16-19-19-39 32 GB (16GBx2), extreme low latency at DDR4-3800 CL14-16-16-36 32 GB (16GBx2), and high-capacity kit at DDR4-4000 CL18-22-22-42 64 GB (32GBx2),


Jan

 

[B-Real]

Looking at the gaming tests, 10900K is still in lead.

Really? In which gaming tests?

Yup, just like those of us with realistic expectations were predicting - it still doesn't beat Intel in gaming; in the most popular resolution (and the one that makes most sense for benchmarks - 1080p), even the "lowly" 10700(f) which you can occasionally get for under 300$, is nearly 4% faster on average, which is honestly embarrassing considering their claims. I mean yeah, the performance is now finally close enough for most people, but the fact that you could get the same level at least three years back with 8700k (an to a certain extent or in other words, in games that don't use all that many threads, which are actually still the majority, even more than 5 years back with 6700k) combined with Ryzen now being more expensive (in some cases significantly so) does not bode well for a desktop launch at all...

Just for a quick tip: please check at least half a dozen reviews and then draw a conclusion.

 

[r9]

Just a quick tip: check other sites and YT channels too.
"Even the Ryzen 5600X, a CPU that costs $300 beat every single one of Intel CPUs more often than it lost, and where it did lose, it was within a few percentage points. These are all games that are traditionally CPU bound."

I can't be bothered with facts!

 

[pantherx12]

That's a lot of voltage on the over clocked tests. Yikes.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Now to decide if I want a 5800x or 5900x for my new build I am planning for Q1 2021

 

[X71200]

This by definition makes it 'tuned by the factory', not 'tuned by the dealer'. The factory would be Intel, the dealer would be HP. There are specialty shops who sell systems OC'd, but you pay for it. Intel will also sell you a heavily OC'd CPU (XE edition), but you also pay for that. Like triple normal cost for that 10% gain.

You buy a specialty car, you also pay for that.

But we're not talking about that, we're talking about normal CPUs at normal price points. i.e. for a car it's the shadetree mechanic modder doing bolt-ons. That's not at all the same thing as buying a say Shelby with a factory warranty.

Um what? Those XE HEDT chips you spoke about, come with WORSE clocks than the lower end counterparts due to how many cores they have. They overclock worse.

Your point was RAM, and you made a poor example of blowing up car engines by tuning them. You tune turbochargers, not naturally aspirated engines thinking sensibly. I'd expect you to understand this and make an example regarding hurting turbos because that's far more common than blowing up the engine itself when "ECU tuned".

You changed the topic from RAM to CPUs and you made more poor examples regarding old school CPUs I presume. Those were the XEs that overclocked better, but those chips are well beyond old now. I'd suggest getting back on track.

 

[b1k3rdude]

@W1zzard , What am I missing here. Yes on some of those graphs the 5900 is amazing, but I'm not seeing those promised gains across the board. In most games, while its faster than my 3700x its only matches the 10600/10700 most of the time. It dosen't help that you look like your GPU-bottlenecked at 1440 and above on that old 2080ti.

 

[BorisDG]

Really? In which gaming tests?

Just for a quick tip: please check at least half a dozen reviews and then draw a conclusion.

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[RandallFlagg]

Really? In which gaming tests?

Just for a quick tip: please check at least half a dozen reviews and then draw a conclusion.

You mean like Guru3D, that did an avg of a whopping 4 games?

Or LTT, that toutes its review on CS:GO at 600FPS, then fails to do any comparisons with other titles? They are really getting laughed at for that stupid stuff in the comments on youtube.

TPU does its average from 10 games, from multiple genres, and doesn't include really old garbage like cs:go which will go over 150fps on a 5 year old GPU and an 8 year old CPU.

 

[sergionography]

Don't really care about what AMD recommends. I feel like 3200 CL14 is a great compromise between cost, performance and what's realistic for actual people who go out and buy hardware. I don't bench Intel with Power Limit removed, just because Intel wants it. Working on a memory scaling article for next week already

Well you do have a section for overclocking so how is memory any different especially when the platform is pretty memory agnostic. Glad to see you are working on a memory scaling article though.

As for what is realistic for people buying; that heavily relies on recommendations from experts like you. If you demonstrate that high frequency ram brings considerable benefits, then I as a consumer will consider it to be the reasonable option to go.

TLDR: you are W1ZZARD! you define what is realistic!

 

[medi01]

That site was testing Intel with 2666/2933mhz and AMD with 3600mhz or even higher, especially 3900x in their reviews in the past. Their reviews are pointless.

I've never seen outlier results on computerbase.
On TPU we are in the very thread about review that notably contrasts with others.

 

[B-Real]

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

So you can only link TPU where Intel is winning? What about the dozens of others? I'm embarassed.

You mean like Guru3D, that did an avg of a whopping 4 games?

Or LTT, that toutes its review on CS:GO at 600FPS, then fails to do any comparisons with other titles? They are really getting laughed at for that stupid stuff in the comments on youtube.

TPU does its average from 10 games, from multiple genres, and doesn't include really old garbage like cs:go which will go over 150fps on a 5 year old GPU and an 8 year old CPU.

You are simply LYING, Linus has many more game reviews (6 to be exact). Fun fact: in every other reviews, Shadow of the Tomb Raider has a significant lead for AMD, and it loses to Intel only in this review. But keep on with the pathetic mantra. I love it!

 

[Shou Miko]

Great review @W1zzard and the Ryzen 9 5900X look to be a good CPU but not sure if I should go X570 and Ryzen 9 5900X because Zen 3 is the last CPU line to use B550 and X570 if I remember correct.

But still a good review even scores are lower then others if you have the memory maybe try 3600MHz memory to see if it does improve more

 

[r9]

I don't know why but this thread sounds a lot like the presidential elections going on in US.

 

[W1zzard]

Well you do have a section for overclocking so how is memory any different especially when the platform is pretty memory agnostic. Glad to see you are working on a memory scaling article though.

Yeah, the memory scaling testing is too much work for regular reviews, which is why I'm splitting it out into a separate article

As for what is realistic for people buying; that heavily relies on recommendations from experts like you. If you demonstrate that high frequency ram brings considerable benefits, then I as a consumer will consider it to be the reasonable option to go.

TLDR: you are W1ZZARD! you define what is realistic!

3200 CL14 is somewhat arbitrary of course. Personally I would not spend more for memory. It's not cost efficient at all, the money is better spent on other hardware.

AMD has been pushing reviewers for higher memory speeds, because their product scales better with memory than their competitor's. Good for them, I'll still not use crazy fast memory in my reviews that nobody actually buys.

 

[X71200]

I don't now why but this thread sound a lot like the presidential elections going on in US.

Except you have... less headroom with the AMD CPU, it seems. For Max Headroom in games, you need Intel from what I heard. My sources are a bit shaky, though.

 

[r9]

Except you have... less headroom with the AMD CPU, it seems. For Max Headroom in games, you need Intel from what I heard. My sources are a bit shaky, though.

Fake news!

 

[RandallFlagg]

...
AMD has been pushing reviewers for higher memory speeds, because their product scales better with memory than their competitor's. Good for them, I'll still not use crazy fast memory in my reviews that nobody actually buys.

You could always do a balls to the wall test, say between the 10700K, 10900K, 5600X, 5800X. Max OC, max cooling, highest performing RAM possible for each platform, solid OC motherboards, liquid cooling, using a 3080 or 3090. Seems like that is what people want to see. Maybe they only want to see it on one platform, and not the other though

 

[W1zzard]

You could always do a balls to the wall test, say between the 10700K, 10900K, 5600X, 5800X. Max OC, max cooling, highest performing RAM possible for each platform, solid OC motherboards, liquid cooling, using a 3080 or 3090. Seems like that is what people want to see. Maybe they only want to see it on one platform, and not the other though

Yeah I'm getting a feeling that is indeed what some people want to see in testing. But where does it stop? Should I haul in LN2, just to push each platform to the limits? Dunno, would definitely get some clicks on YouTube, but kinda not the kind of testing I do

 

[hurakura]

No one cares about the apps and productivity benchmarks? Everyone just went straight to the gaming results? AMD is destroying Intel in every benchmark.

 

[r9]

This sums it up. Check at 3:16.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yeah I'm getting a feeling that is indeed what some people want to see in testing. But where does it stop? Should I haul in LN2, just to push each platform to the limits? Dunno, would definitely get some clicks on YouTube, but kinda not the kind of testing I do

Meh, I wouldn't do LN2. Needs to be something a slightly skilled layman can put in, maybe limit it to AIO cooling solutions.

Computerbase.de did a memory / OC scaling test about 7 or 8 months ago, Zen 2 vs Gen 9 Intel. Both platforms improved gaming performance significantly with the memory OC, but Intel of course overclocked much better. That's clearly the case with Zen 3 not OC'ing much too. Anyway, this type of comparison now with a K series Gen 10 vs Zen 3 would be very interesting even for those of us who have no intention of laying down $300 for 16GB of some silly speed RAM.

Core i9-9900K vs. Ryzen 9 3900X mit RAM-OC in Spielen

Wie hoch ist die Spieleleistung wirklich? Core i9-9900K und Ryzen 9 3900X treten mit übertakteten Samsung-B-Dies im CPU-Limit in Spielen an.

www.computerbase.de

 

[Cheeseball]

Yeah I'm getting a feeling that is indeed what some people want to see in testing. But where does it stop? Should I haul in LN2, just to push each platform to the limits? Dunno, would definitely get some clicks on YouTube, but kinda not the kind of testing I do

While 3200C16 is most common and affordable now, I believe it would be fair to go with 3600C16 for Ryzens since that would be the best balance between cost and performance that is recommended for AMD systems. 3200C14 definitely has low latency, albeit it does limit the top end performance.