Global Warming & Climate Change Discussion

[lexluthermiester]

No one can stop this process..

That is an assumption you can not prove. If we caused it, we can undo it. Narrow thinking is not helpful to anyone.

 

[EricaR]

That is an assumption you can not prove. If we caused it, we can undo it. Narrow thinking is not helpful to anyone.

I just wanted to say it's hard.Just think about cutting forest.I need to stop it.But I cannot stop it completely.As a single human, I can grow plants and make society aware of its bad effects and helps to reduce the bad effect of it or I can join an organisation or a club and make collaborative effort to stop it. But I cannot ever force the large multinational companies to stop cutting trees which they need to expand their businesses or stop improper/illegal forest cuttings. I thoroughly refuse "Narrow thinking " in this regard

 

[authorized]

If we caused it, we can undo it.

And that is something you cannot prove.

 

[Assimilator]

And that is something you cannot prove.

Let's just bring back to life all the animals that are killed!

Oh wait.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

Emissions dropped during lockdown but they say it has no effect on global temps since they are mainly locked in the worlds oceans and would take at least a decade of lockdown to improve.
Pollution needs to be tackled head on along with the ever increasing population.

And that is something you cannot prove.

And it can't be disproved since a lot of facts are contorted to fit a narrative.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And that is something you cannot prove.

And you can not disprove it. However, it's common sense really. As a general rule in life, any mess we humans can create we can also clean up, even if it takes a greater effort. Only people daft as mice fail to see such a simple perspective.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

And you can not disprove it. However, it's common sense really. As a general rule in life, any mess we humans can create we can also clean up, even if it takes a greater effort. Only people daft as mice fail to see such a simple perspective.

And therein lies the problem. selfishness and the inability of man to smell his own sh1t.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And therein lies the problem. selfishness and the inability of man to smell his own sh1t.

That and the inability of some to take on responsibility and own a problem. Thankfully, the world does have many who understand the big picture. This is why the environment is getting better. Slowly, certainly, but it is getting better.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

That and the inability of some to take on responsibility and own a problem. Thankfully, the world does have many who understand the big picture. This is why the environment is getting better. Slowly, certainly, but it is getting better.

I see it everyday with some of our neighbours. Some wouldn't pick up and dispose of a plastic bottle on their doorstep, they'd walk past it in a hope someone else would do it for them.
No sense of responsibility at all.

 

[authorized]

And you can not disprove it. However, it's common sense really. As a general rule in life, any mess we humans can create we can also clean up, even if it takes a greater effort. Only people daft as mice fail to see such a simple perspective.

Why would I need to? It's your claim.
That said, @Assimilator pretty much did with his example. We can't bring back any species we drove to extinction.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why would I need to? It's your claim.

Really? Ok then.

That said, @Assimilator pretty much did with his example.

You call that proof? I would call it something, but not proof..

 

[qubit]

Looks like Bitcoin miners are singlehandedly helping to screw up the world's climate change mitigation efforts, all in the pursuit of profit. Yay!

Electricity needed to mine bitcoin is more than used by 'entire countries'

Bitcoin mining – the process in which a bitcoin is awarded to a computer that solves a complex series of algorithm – is a deeply energy intensive process

www.theguardian.com

 

[Space Lynx]

Looks like Bitcoin miners are singlehandedly helping to screw up the world's climate change mitigation efforts, all in the pursuit of profit. Yay!

Electricity needed to mine bitcoin is more than used by 'entire countries'

Bitcoin mining – the process in which a bitcoin is awarded to a computer that solves a complex series of algorithm – is a deeply energy intensive process

www.theguardian.com

the ironic part is when Elon Musk buys 1.5 billion bitcoin as part of his Tesla company... which offsets basically all the gains Tesla cars have made, batteries are bad for the environment in the mining/creation process of them, but then that negative is offset and then exceeded by the fact it replaces gas cars and the batteries last a long time - so Tesla is good for the environment, but buying bitcoin and increasing its usage just negated all of that instantly. lol Elon Musk may be a genius engineer, but he is not so smart when it comes to basic principles and presenting an image of integrity. he is a libertarian in his heart even though he gets rich off tax subsidies for all his companies. Starlink would be nowhere without the government giving it that 10 year contract, Tesla would be nowhere without that 7500 dollar tax credit obama did for electric cars, Boring Company relies on government contracts as its business model, and Spacex would have vanished a long time ago without contracts from NASA/government. basically our tax money made Elon rich, also why is the world richest person someone who needs tax money for any of his companies to survive? i could see a jeff bezos being worlds richest person, he didn't require government intervention at every turn... so why is Elon so rich if he needs government contracts to stay afloat? maybe those contracts are paying him to much.

 

[rruff]

i could see a jeff bezos being worlds richest person, he didn't require government intervention at every turn... so why is Elon so rich if he needs government contracts to stay afloat? maybe those contracts are paying him to much.

Huge difference. New things like electric cars and space exploration require a huge investment in R&D and infrastructure before they can be commercially viable. In a suprisingly intelligent move, the governments saw long term value in promoting this development. Musk just happened to do the best job.

 

[R0H1T]

the ironic part is when Elon Musk buys 1.5 billion bitcoin as part of his Tesla company

It's not ironic at all, he knew this would happen or least would've known to some extent. Elon Musk, much like Bezos ~ the richest man on earth before him, knows what he's doing & he of course enjoys doing it.

 

[Melvis]

Funny how the world stops and the next thing ya know everywhere is alot colder then a yr ago, temps here in Australia I havent seen this low in 20yrs, its like how it used to be and im loven it

 

[Totally]

Funny how the world stops and the next thing ya know everywhere is alot colder then a yr ago, temps here in Australia I havent seen this low in 20yrs, its like how it used to be and im loven it

This is false the opposite was observed, CO2 emissions, air pollution were at all time lows due to the virus and global temps INCREASED despite this. Right now the debate regarding this observation is current thinking of global warming is wrong or effects of present levels are delayed years. Whatyou just said is in your head and if you read it somewhere it's bs.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Still waiting for the 1979 Leonard Nimoy Ice Age

 

[Melvis]

This is false the opposite was observed, CO2 emissions, air pollution were at all time lows due to the virus and global temps INCREASED despite this. Right now the debate regarding this observation is current thinking of global warming is wrong or effects of present levels are delayed years. Whatyou just said is in your head and if you read it somewhere it's bs.

Really? then how come this is the lowest temps in over 20yrs was just observed here in Australia and that the USA is going through one of the coldest Winters in god knows how long? It cant be BS when its literally happening RIGHT NOW! Do you call it a coincidence that this has just happened to happen when the world stopped? Manufacturing lessened globally, Planes, cruise ships basically stopped! and then the temps dropped! and here in Australia where the Ozone layer is the thinnest the difference is amazing! So unless you got proof what your saying is BS as my proof is right here right now!

 

[qubit]

Funny how the world stops and the next thing ya know everywhere is alot colder then a yr ago, temps here in Australia I havent seen this low in 20yrs, its like how it used to be and im loven it

I seem to remember raging wildfires in Australia all over the news not so long ago. Funnily enough, those accompanied the hottest temperatures on record. Don't be a climate change denier.

 

[r.h.p]

Funny how the world stops and the next thing ya know everywhere is alot colder then a yr ago, temps here in Australia I havent seen this low in 20yrs, its like how it used to be and im loven it

were are you then melvis , ? to get this observation

 

[dorsetknob]

here is visible proof of climate change

snow in saudi arabia 2020 - Google Search

when the Oil runs out they will set up a winter sports center

 

[Outback Bronze]

not so long ago

Yeah mate that's where I live. Perth.

Sure as hell wasn't the coolest summer over here in 20 years..

 

[Caring1]

Yeah mate that's where I live. Perth.

Sure as hell wasn't the coolest summer over here in 20 years..

Same over here in S.E. QLD. I've still got the aircon going to battle the humidity.
At least from my point of view all these fires, floods, snow and storms are proof of climate change as they are occurring more frequently and in areas that ordinarily wouldn't experience that type of weather.

 

[the54thvoid]

Just to keep the perspective very, very clear. Global warming leads to local climate change. An increase of 1 degree can have serious global effects but that may also mean shifting weather patterns. It's not as simple as some people love to parrot. Climate change creates weather instability. High atmospheric systems change course, as the oceans warm, they also affect patterns like El Nino. Just because it gets cold one year on one location, it doesn't mean global warming has stopped. The UK gets near tropical heat in the Scilly Isles from the jetstream. At that latitude, it shouldn't be that warm but a weather system brings the heat. The jetstream is vulnerable to shifting global temps, therefore, the Scilly Isles could be far colder in a global warming scenario.

The greatest systems for measuring global warming are retreating glaciers across the planet. There are places in east Antarctica (I think, from memory) where this is not happening. That gets used by global warming skeptics but the place has a different weather pattern. And despite claims, it is being affected. Skeptics use micro-climates to denounce climate change but the term is 'Global' for a reason. And also, the change has to be measured long term. One season is not enough to predict climate science. One bad winter doesn't mean global wamring has stopped.