Intel Core i5-11400F

[ftgf]

One of the problems with these websites is we all have our own pricing. The Ryzen 3600 is still the same price as the 11400 here, and the 11400F isn't even sold. Not available. I did not start this thread trying to defend the 3600, I merely pointed out that you can't be serious about Rocket Lake when TPU's own review showed the 10700k beating the 11900k and the 10400f beating the 11400f. Not sure why people are ignoring that.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65_1971&item_id=190144 Looks available to me.

 

[ftgf]

That's new, must have got it today. Still listed out of stock through pcpartpicker and elsewhere. Not in stock at the huge store near me either. Also you did it again. Ignored every point I made, and latched on to the most irrelevant thing I said. All those links to THIS ARTICLE are just ignored. The 11400f being below the 10400f, the 5600x being faster, the cooling problem, just ignore it all...

Intel Core i5-11400F 2.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (BX8070811400F) - PCPartPicker

Well if one of the things you say is completely wrong and pointless why keep going...

 

[qubit]

Exactly. This gen is making Comet Lake look better and better with each new review lol

Look, but you miss the most important thing: RL has a model number one bigger! Stick that in yer pipe and smoke it!

 

[ftgf]

I loaded up Mass Effect 1 with the i5-11500, it went straight to 100 degrees during and after loading, and I was not impressed.

This is also complete BS. ME1 doesn't even load the CPU past 30%. If you do have temps like these I suggest you reinstall your cooler or find someone to do it for you. You're funny dude.

 

[HenrySomeone]

This is also complete BS. ME1 doesn't even load the CPU past 30%. If you do have temps like these I suggest you reinstall your cooler or find someone to do it for you. You're funny dude.

Yup - not all that difficult to spot a spreader of the excrement of a male member of the bovine species when he is saying that a 14 year old game immediately overheated a new, 6 core, 12 thread cpu, lmao!

 

[Taraquin]

One of the problems with these websites is we all have our own pricing. The Ryzen 3600 is still the same price as the 11400 here, and the 11400F isn't even sold. Not available. I did not start this thread trying to defend the 3600, I merely pointed out that you can't be serious about Rocket Lake when TPU's own review showed the 10700k beating the 11900k and the 10400f beating the 11400f. Not sure why people are ignoring that.

You can't use the stock cooler with the 11400f and get as good results as the 3600, we've already established that, a 4.4ghz 3600 will beat the 3.6ghz 11400f in everything except a few games. Nobody is disputing that apparently. Just ignoring even with expensive ram and a tower cooler, the 3600 still won in productivity. So you have buy a tower cooler, you have to buy better ram, and then the 11400f is great for gaming, IF you can buy it in your country. For Americans, it is great. Not for me.

Again I'm not ignoring this review, because even stock vs. stock the Ryzen 3600 can be way ahead like so when not gaming:

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I loaded up Mass Effect 1 with the i5-11500, it went straight to 100 degrees during and after loading, and I was not impressed. I personally would pay the extra $100 for the 5600X, my 5600X runs near 4.8ghz at all times and is more than 25 percent faster. This is actually how this thread started. I own two computers, a 11500 and a 5600X and the 5600X is WAY better. Easily worth the extra $100 USD considering the overall cost of each computer is almost $1000 each, so sure the CPU costs "a lot more" but overall it is 10 percent more for 25 percent plus more performance. And you own the best 6 core available. Imagine if someone actually responded to those arguments instead of twisting it around to a totally different thing.

1) TPUs review showed the 10700k faster than the 11900k in gaming. Oops. Found the 10400f faster than the 11400f in gaming. Oops.
2) The 11400f throttles under heavy load with the stock cooler, throttles down to the mid 3ghz level. The Ryzen 3600 sustains 4.4ghz, at least mine did. 4.3ghz for the unlucky.
3) In productivity the 3600 still beat the 11400f, that didn't change. TPU and elsewhere.
4) Ryzen 5600X is WAY ahead of the 11400f. When looking at the cost of the entire computer, 10 percent more in total for a CPU that wins in all games, and OCs to 4.8ghz, and beats the 11400f more than 25 percent on average at other stuff is easily worth it for me. I don't think the 11400f is a good choice. If you can get the 5600X for $300 instead, I'd get that.

Hey, my 3600 was unable to do 4.2GHz even at 1.3V so I was extremely unlucky. My 5600X does 4.7@1.23V so I gues it makes up for that

 

[HenrySomeone]

Precisely, early 3600s in particular were quite the stinkers as far OCing goes and the guy above is talking about massive overclocks, hahaha!

 

[Deleted member 205776]

Hey, my 3600 was unable to do 4.2GHz even at 1.3V so I was extremely unlucky.

Oof. Meanwhile a friend's MSI board decided to auto OC the 3600 to 4.4 and degrade it lol

 

[the54thvoid]

Wow - just wow. 5 pages of bickering BS. And I didn't drop by out of choice. I was 'brought' here.

@Searing - I appreciate you feel justified in your defence of the 3600X. However, it is derailing the thread, causing unnecessary argument and really, making a lot of folks come across as stubborn and obstinate. I think you've said enough of the 3600X. Please move on.

As for everyone else that got involved, please keep it civil. I understand when someone vehemently disagrees it can be a pain (ask my mum) but it takes two seconds to delete a cursory insult and take a breath.

Thanks.

 

[Ahhzz]

Quit arguing with the mods. Report posts that break the guidelines, stick to the topic on hand, no personal attacks. This goes for everyone in this thread. Continued refusal to behave like adults will result in time-outs.

 

[Taraquin]

Precisely, early 3600s in particular were quite the stinkers as far OCing goes and the guy above is talking about massive overclocks, hahaha!

It only managed 3.95GHz all core stock using 90W. TPUs testsample did 4 2 allcore stock. But hey, got a 5600X now so I'm fine

 

[HenrySomeone]

Yeah, from a purely technical standpoint, 5600x is actually a great chip (the first AMD mainstream one in ages); good single thread, good multi thread, good gaming performance and even when pushed to the max, stays under 100W and cool, but (and this confirms what I've stated above) it is both too expensive to begin with (MSRP) and hard to get, which makes it even more expensive in most places where they actually have them and that's still true even almost 6 months after release...

 

[Deleted member 205776]

It only managed 3.95GHz all core stock using 90W. TPUs testsample did 4 2 allcore stock. But hey, got a 5600X now so I'm fine

5600X are still a rarity where I live. Enjoy it.

 

[watzupken]

Yeah, from a purely technical standpoint, 5600x is actually a great chip (the first AMD mainstream one in ages); good single thread, good multi thread, good gaming performance and even when pushed to the max, stays under 100W and cool, but (and this confirms what I've stated above) it is both too expensive to begin with (MSRP) and hard to get, which makes it even more expensive in most places where they actually have them and that's still true even almost 6 months after release...

I agree that the Zen 3 CPUs are priced on the high side, but the actual competition for the 5600X is actually the i5 11600K since both are unlocked CPUs. Unfortunately with chip supply so limited, I think it will also be pointless for AMD to release a budget friendly 6 cores Zen 3 processor because they can't fulfil the demand and you can't buy it.
So as it stands now the i5 Rocket Lake looks like a good budget chip, though I am not sure how cheap is a compatible motherboard.

 

[W1zzard]

like a good budget chip, though I am not sure how cheap is a compatible motherboard.

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€ 60

It runs fine on H410. Mathematically PCIe Gen 4 isn't worth the +12 € for H510, but I could see myself spending that when using a higher end GPU. Don't listen to the VRM naysayers, you're not buying a 11400F to run at 200 W 24/7

 

[Vunnie]

They did enable memory oc, that is to say technically anything over 2666 is considered overclocked memory. You can only enable up to 2933 for non k skus on non z series boards.

So would I get the same performance with a b560 as shown here or lower?

 

[Taraquin]

So would I get the same performance with a b560 as shown here or lower?

No, you can overclock ram on locked cpus on B560/H570. Even with locked 10th gen ram can be oced to 3600+

 

[Why_Me]

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[oxrufiioxo]

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I find it actually pretty impressive for the price. Especially considering you can get it with an ok board for about 20 bucks more than a 5600X by itself at MSRP.... Or a really good board at the 5600X current inflated price if you don't live by a Microcenter..... Just make sure to factor in something like a CM 212 and you're golden.

Sure the AMD chip is faster with a much better upgrade path but for most users that stick it out with their cpu for 3-4 years it's fine.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I find it actually pretty impressive for the price. Especially considering you can get it with an ok board for about 20 bucks more than a 5600X by itself at MSRP.... Or a really good board at the 5600X current inflated price if you don't live by a Microcenter..... Just make sure to factor in something like a CM 212 and you're golden.

Sure the AMD chip is faster with a much better upgrade path but for most users that stick it out with their cpu for 3-4 years it's fine.

MicroCenter upped the 5600X to $350 Most people are going to wind up paying ~$400USD for it, which makes it price comparable to a 10850K, 10900KF, or 11700K and significantly more than a 10700K which can be had for $320ish for anyone stateside, or $250 if you're near a Microcenter.

That kind of moves AMD buyers to the 5800X for any kind of competitive value, as it can for the moment be had for $450 without much effort.

That's historically the high end of a CPU price though, so I'm not so sure about that value. I mean, the 8700K was only $359 MSRP on release in 2017 and the 6700K was similarly $350. Paying $450 for a CPU is something that used to be for extreme edition Intel parts even the 2700K was only $330. Above the 5800X, the zen 3 prices are actually making chips like the 10980XE look cheap.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

@RandallFlagg

Some people don't want intel regardless of value just like people won't go amd regardless.... I personally prefer X570 over Z490/590 currently and the fact that it goes up to 16 cores vs 8/10 is more appealing.... I get that you personally like value but I don't really care about what's cheaper and some others don't either.

Currently the only interesting intel chips to me are the sub 200 usd ones for customer builds and the 10900k for tweaking purposes.....

I don't really care what other people buy if they want an 11400 with a terrible motherboard more power to them or if they want a $600 ish 11900k go for it but value is pointless when someone is spending their own hard earn money.

Bottom line the 11400 might be the best 11th gen chip period none of the other chips make any sense to me people should grab it without reservations if they are in the market for a cpu under $200 but again it aint my money so I don't really care as long as whatever they end up makes them happy.

 

[HenrySomeone]

The fact that AM4 can go to 16 cores has far less implications and importance for most people than it might seem at first glance and what AMD (and their fanboys) would have you believe. Sure, if you actually need that many cores, it does, but in that case you go for 10/12/16 of them today. Vast majority of people in the market for a 6 core 12 thread cpu will not and I repeat not start doing copious amounts of cpu based rendering next year or so (i.e. where that upgrade path might actually prove useful). For general use & gaming though, that won't come into play for years (at least until the next gen of consoles arrives and probably not for another year or two after) and by then the single thread on both Zen3 and 1200 chips will be lacking (not to mention older Ryzens) anyway. Sure, an 8 or a 10 core probably will benefit gaming in 3-5 years notably over a hexa-core, but between 10700f/k, 10850k, 10900f/k, 11700f/k and 11900f/k you will have a far greater selection (and lower used prices, both due to very healthy current sales) to pick from compared to just 5800x and above with AM4.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

@HenrySomeone once 10th gen sells out I doubt used pricing will be all that good I sold a 6700K ($190)/8700k ($220)/9900k ($360) recently and to me that really isn't cheap considering you can get current gen chips for similar $$$ that are better for only a little more and in the case of the 9900k a 10850k for less. Although in this current whacky market I sold a 2600X for $180 and a 3600X for $225 used..... Not sure why people are panic buying on ebay nothing is overly hard to get other than Zen 3 and I mostly think that is due to scalpers being able to make a decent profit on 3 out of the 4 chips that now even Microcenter is getting in on the action.

Other than people who really need a cpu bad everyone who loves them some team blue should be waiting for Alderlake which will probably offer 80% more MT performance and better ST vs rocketlake while being on a much more future proof platform..... I buy whatever I find interesting so if it's actually decent I may pick it up assuming DDR5 isn't too stupidly priced at launch. Maybe we will get a chip that actually deserves to be called an i9 again.

 

[Why_Me]

Meanwhile this cpu isn't much more than the 3600 yet it goes head to head with the 5600X.

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-10700F-Desktop-Processor-Graphics/dp/B086MN2XYL/
Intel Core i7-10700F $266.30

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I don't really care what other people buy if they want an 11400 with a terrible motherboard more power to them or if they want a $600 ish 11900k go for it but value is pointless when someone is spending their own hard earn money.

Value is paramount when I'm spending my own hard-earned money. Perf/$ is one of my primary metrics, and I'm not alone in that.