Intel Core i9-11900K

[RandallFlagg]

and its sold out everywhere, are there really that many idiots out there

I'm a bit surprised that the 11900K is sold out, but only because of the price/perf equation.

Having said that, despite the price/perf equation and the lack of multi-core threading performance, this is by no means a slow chip.

I know some people who are going RL because of its prowess in VR.

I'm not sure people have actually looked closely - I doubt it given how many just bandwagon jump on bashing this chip - but despite being hobbled by a far less than optimal memory setup the 11900K is in fact the fastest chip in the most heavily used resolutions used by high end gamers. It is also a winner in lightly threaded productivity applications, which is to say the vast majority of such apps used.

• Fastest at 1440P vs any Zen 3 even when the Zen 3 has the AMD optimal DDR4-3800, with RKL using cheaper DDR4-3200 CL14 (an OC on DDR4-3200 CL14 as opposed to the crippling DDR4-3800 gear 2 would widen this gap). This is probably a $100 savings, which is to say a new build would perform better than a 5800X and cost about the same after including the memory savings.
• Faster than any Zen 3 on 2 out of 3 web tests.
• Faster than Any Zen 3 on 2 out of 3 AI tests
• Faster than any Zen 3 on Adobe applications, by fairly wide margins
• Where it does lose, it is mostly only to the 5900X and 5950X, which are extremely hard to find.

So, for someone who doesn't care about the value equation and wants one of the fastest chips they can get hands on, doesn't care about rendering where Zen 3's 12+ core chips win, is into VR, and/or doesn't have time or want to spend hours scouring the internet to find a 5900X or 5950X, this is (or was) an easily available and powerful alternative.

Many of the gaming focused sites in particular, are finding that the 11900K is decidedly better than the 5800X, and while it generally can't beat the 5950X that chip is in a completely different price range and has very short availability.

i.e. the 5% lows of the 11900K are almost the same as the average of the 5800X in Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p. You are looking at a 10% avg fps difference from 5800X to 11900K here. You could buy this complete setup - CPU, memory, motherboard with 11900K - for less than the real-world price of a 5950X CPU alone.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm a bit surprised that the 11900K is sold out, but only because of the price/perf equation.

Having said that, despite the price/perf equation and the lack of multi-core threading performance, this is by no means a slow chip.

I know some people who are going RL because of its prowess in VR.

I'm not sure people have actually looked closely - I doubt it given how many just bandwagon jump on bashing this chip - but despite being hobbled by a far less than optimal memory setup the 11900K is in fact the fastest chip in the most heavily used resolutions used by high end gamers. It is also a winner in lightly threaded productivity applications, which is to say the vast majority of such apps used.

• Fastest at 1440P vs any Zen 3 even when the Zen 3 has the AMD optimal DDR4-3800, with RKL using cheaper DDR4-3200 CL14 (an OC on DDR4-3200 CL14 as opposed to the crippling DDR4-3800 gear 2 would widen this gap). This is probably a $100 savings, which is to say a new build would perform better than a 5800X and cost about the same after including the memory savings.
• Faster than any Zen 3 on 2 out of 3 web tests.
• Faster than Any Zen 3 on 2 out of 3 AI tests
• Faster than any Zen 3 on Adobe applications, by fairly wide margins
• Where it does lose, it is mostly only to the 5900X and 5950X, which are extremely hard to find.

So, for someone who doesn't care about the value equation and wants one of the fastest chips they can get hands on, doesn't care about rendering where Zen 3's 12+ core chips win, is into VR, and/or doesn't have time or want to spend hours scouring the internet to find a 5900X or 5950X, this is (or was) an easily available and powerful alternative.

Many of the gaming focused sites in particular, are finding that the 11900K is decidedly better than the 5800X, and while it generally can't beat the 5950X that chip is in a completely different price range and has very short availability.

i.e. the 5% lows of the 11900K are almost the same as the average of the 5800X in Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p. You are looking at a 10% avg fps difference from 5800X to 11900K here. You could buy this complete setup - CPU, memory, motherboard with 11900K - for less than the real-world price of a 5950X CPU alone.

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Have you read the review?

The 11900K is on par with the 11700K, and basically all of AMD's Zen 3 line-up in most games. The 11900K definitely isn't a slow chip, but it offers literally nothing that justifies its price difference over the 11700K. That's why it gets bashed.

Therefore my recommendations for new buyers are:

You want a fast Intel chip:
Get the Core i7-11700 (K or non-K).

You want a fast AMD chip:
Get the Ryzen 7 5800X.

You want the fastest consumer AMD chip on the market:
Get the Ryzen 9 5950X.

You want the fastest consumer Intel chip on the market:

 

[RandallFlagg]

Have you read the review?

The 11900K is on par with the 11700K, and basically all of AMD's Zen 3 line-up in most games. The 11900K definitely isn't a slow chip, but it offers literally nothing that justifies its price difference over the 11700K. That's why it gets bashed.

Therefore my recommendations for new buyers are:

You want a fast Intel chip:
Get the Core i7-11700 (K or non-K).

You want a fast AMD chip:
Get the Ryzen 7 5800X.

You want the fastest consumer AMD chip on the market:
Get the Ryzen 9 5950X.

You want the fastest consumer Intel chip on the market:
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Beyond just reading the opinion of the reviewers and gobbling it up with no critical thought like you appear to do, I formulate my own opinion based on the facts presented (as opposed to the opinions presented).


I'll just refer you to the charts in the GN video on the 11900K. Here are some facts without the suck up verbiage :
11900K is :
- faster than any Zen 3 on 3 out of 7 games tested
- faster than any 5600X / 5800X on 6 out of 7 games

So some conclusions:

The 11700K trades blows with the 5800X.
The 11900K pretty well knocks the 5800X on its tail.
The 5800X is $540USD at Newegg, and again it lost to 11900K in 6/7 games at GN
The 11900K is $619 at B&H, only an $80 premium
The 11900K is definitively better at Adobe apps than the 5800X, or any Zen 3

The 5900X is going for north of $700USD, making it significantly more expensive than the 11900K

So no, there is really nothing wrong with the 11900K.

It's priced between 5800X and 5900X and thoroughly romps the 5800X when configured properly.

It will trade blows with the more expensive and much harder to find 5900X and 5950X.

It is it a price / perf winner?

Well, if you're paying $1500+ for a GPU then I would imagine such a person would not be willing to leave a few % of FPS on the table just to save a Benjamin.

Those are almost certainly the people who bought these. And it's a good thing they are around, else nobody would make high end chips at all.

After all, what kind of moron pays $1000 for a 5950X on a consumer desktop and proceeds to run DDR4-3200 CL16 thus crippling it??......................................

 

[AusWolf]

Beyond just reading the opinion of the reviewers and gobbling it up with no critical thought like you appear to do, I formulate my own opinion based on the facts presented (as opposed to the opinions presented).


I'll just refer you to the charts in the GN video on the 11900K. Here are some facts without the suck up verbiage :
11900K is :
- faster than any Zen 3 on 3 out of 7 games tested
- faster than any 5600X / 5800X on 6 out of 7 games

So some conclusions:

The 11700K trades blows with the 5800X.
The 11900K pretty well knocks the 5800X on its tail.
The 5800X is $540USD at Newegg, and again it lost to 11900K in 6/7 games at GN
The 11900K is $619 at B&H, only an $80 premium
The 11900K is definitively better at Adobe apps than the 5800X, or any Zen 3

The 5900X is going for north of $700USD, making it significantly more expensive than the 11900K

So no, there is really nothing wrong with the 11900K.

It's priced between 5800X and 5900X and thoroughly romps the 5800X when configured properly.

It doesn't seem to me like the 11900K "knocks the 5800X on its tail". Don't forget that all modern 8+ core CPUs are within a couple % from one another in games.

So what's wrong with the 11900K?
Here in the UK, the 11900K retails for £600. The 11700K costs £430. For a 40% price premium, you get 4% higher turbo clocks. Something's seriously wrong with whoever thinks it's worth it.

Well, if you're paying $1500+ for a GPU then I would imagine such a person would not be willing to leave a few % of FPS on the table just to save a Benjamin.

I wouldn't really call a 40% or £170 difference "a Benjamin".

After all, what kind of moron pays $1000 for a 5950X on a consumer desktop and proceeds to run DDR4-3200 CL16 thus crippling it??......................................

Just as I wouldn't call not paying 1.5-2x the price of DDR4-3200 CL16 RAM for 2-3% more performance "crippling it" (I'm one of those "morons" by the way).

 

[RandallFlagg]

It doesn't seem to me like the 11900K "knocks the 5800X on its tail". Don't forget that all modern 8+ core CPUs are within a couple % from one another in games.

So what's wrong with the 11900K?
Here in the UK, the 11900K retails for £600. The 11700K costs £430. For a 40% price premium, you get 4% higher turbo clocks. Something's seriously wrong with whoever thinks it's worth it.

There in the UK, I see the 11900KF for 519 BP. The 5800X is 419BP. Both of these are quite a bit higher than in the states,

I wouldn't really call a 40% or £170 difference "a Benjamin".

It's a benjamin here in the states given that the 10900K is $619 vs $500ish for the 5800X. Last week the difference was less, as some places had the 11900K for ~580.

Just as I wouldn't call not paying 1.5-2x the price of DDR4-3200 CL16 RAM for 2-3% more performance "crippling it" (I'm one of those "morons" by the way).

I know I looked at your specs.

Have you ever considered that using DDR4-3200 CL 16, you'd be more likely to get CapFrameX's results in a RKL vs Zen 3 comparison vs TPUs results where they used DDR4-3800?

Just as DDR4-3800 is the wrong memory for Rocket Lake, DDR4-3200 CL 16 is the wrong memory for Zen 3.


So when you choose this memory :

You get this type of result :

Well, sounds like Intel dropped the entire Q1 allocation at once.

So the 11900K is already sold out or selling out. The others will undoubtedly soon follow. Looks like they are constrained by substrate (wafer) supply and their focus in Q2 will likely be the new higher margin Ice Lake based server SKUs (and I'll interject, Tiger Lake H 6 / 8 core), so the shortages for desktops will likely get worse in another month or so for both brands :

Exclusive: Demand To Exceed Supply For Intel Rocket Lake Due To Substrate Shortage

It would appear that gamers can't catch a break. Products that rely on TSMC, such as AMD parts, have had tight supply for a while now (with a few exceptions). Intel CPUs, considering they are built in their own foundry, have had a free run of the proverbial house for a while now and CPU prices...

wccftech.com

 

[crispysilicon]

G.Skill Announces DDR4-5333 Memory Kits for Intel Rocket Lake

www.anandtech.com

Things have not been released in the right order....

 

[RandallFlagg]

G.Skill Announces DDR4-5333 Memory Kits for Intel Rocket Lake

www.anandtech.com

Things have not been released in the right order....

Ya that too.

I've been seeing people running DDR4-4266 at 5200 gear 2 in some other forums.

On RKL, seems like the perf boost / OC is going to be all about the RAM OC. With gear 2, memory running at DDR4-3600 the MC is only running at 1/2 of the 1800Mhz bus aka 900Mhz. It's perfectly capable of running 1600Mhz (for DDR4-3200 gear 1) so as far as the MC goes it should be fine up to DDR4-6400.. if such memory existed.

Either way extracting that kind of performance is rather expensive, and time consuming as it takes a lot of tweaking. It's fun watching other people do it though.

 

[crispysilicon]

On RKL, seems like the perf boost / OC is going to be all about the RAM OC.

Nah, it's also about the new boost mode, but that will only show up with good cooling system and extended playtimes.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

You just called hard-extreme overclockers who have historically always grabbed the first batch of every new Intel flagship (and recently some AMD ones too) idiots...

Way to put words in @dparis1977 mouth there, bud. No where did he mention hardcore extreme overclockers in his post. It's more like idiots that don't know any better ("It's Intel so it must be gud dur hur!") are (stupidly) buying the 11900K (and then stupidly bragging about it later).

There in the UK, I see the 11900KF for 519 BP. The 5800X is 419BP. Both of these are quite a bit higher than in the states,


It's a benjamin here in the states given that the 10900K is $619 vs $500ish for the 5800X. Last week the difference was less, as some places had the 11900K for ~580.



I know I looked at your specs.

Have you ever considered that using DDR4-3200 CL 16, you'd be more likely to get CapFrameX's results in a RKL vs Zen 3 comparison vs TPUs results where they used DDR4-3800?

Just as DDR4-3800 is the wrong memory for Rocket Lake, DDR4-3200 CL 16 is the wrong memory for Zen 3.


So when you choose this memory :
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You get this type of result :

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I guess I'm one of those morons too *sigh* But ya know what? Fuck it. I wanted 16GB of RAM but didn't want to go super low on speed (like 2666 for example) and the price jumps up with anything over 3200MHz so yeah. 3200 may not be the "sweet spot" for Ryzen but it's the "sweet spot" for me

 

[Lindatje]

and nothing of value was lost

Yes, you don't want to say that this is the best CPU from Intel ever? it's funny how Intel is today with such a huge budget, that's why the funny smilleys.

 

[AusWolf]

There in the UK, I see the 11900KF for 519 BP. The 5800X is 419BP. Both of these are quite a bit higher than in the states,


It's a benjamin here in the states given that the 10900K is $619 vs $500ish for the 5800X. Last week the difference was less, as some places had the 11900K for ~580.

$80 is still a considerable price difference between processors that offer similar performance - though my main comparison is with the 11700K, which is literally an 11900K without the atrocious thermal velocity boost.

I guess I'm one of those morons too *sigh* But ya know what? Fuck it. I wanted 16GB of RAM but didn't want to go super low on speed (like 2666 for example) and the price jumps up with anything over 3200MHz so yeah. 3200 may not be the "sweet spot" for Ryzen but it's the "sweet spot" for me

Exactly that. I bought my RAM kit for £160 in October. I don't know what current prices look like, but a similar 3600 MHz kit would have been at least £100 more expensive back then. Reviewers like to repeat one another that "it's the sweet spot for Ryzen", which I don't think is true. Sure, anything above 3600 MHz yields diminishing returns, but that doesn't mean that a couple percent of extra performance with 3600 compared to 3200 MHz is worth 60% more money. And, we turned back to why I hate the Core i9-11900K so much.

 

[Vayra86]

Hang on, doesn't Intel provide the most stable platform out there and technically doesn't need UEFI updates, according to the fanbois?

No you have to understand this is a NEW CORE man. Totally revamped arch. Rebuilt from the Skylake up. Errr ground up. Meticulously balanced out to burn a hole in your pocket and not your motherboard.

Well, maybe that's not a given actually

At least they're holding a record now. wtaf

Yes, you don't want to say that this is the best CPU from Intel ever? it's funny how Intel is today with such a huge budget, that's why the funny smilleys.

Context does matter, this one might have come a bit late

But this is certainly the best Intel CPU ever. No other one has such a high power limit out of the box, I mean, not even a full fat GPU can match this baby.

Still didn't meet the target they set, I heard they were gunning for half a kilowatt, that's why Pat's in charge now.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

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Should've just used this as one of the marketing slides

 

[crispysilicon]

Check this out

Anyone confirm? That is a HUGE temp delta. Not expecting vs. solder.

 

[DarthJedi]

@W1zzard could you please be so kind as to provide the scene project you've used for UE4 lightmass testing and explain what source you've built?
11900K, at any frequency, shouldn't be as close to 5950X by any stretch. Tests from any other tester also don't show it to be the same.
Since I'm working with UE4 professionally I'm really, really interested in this.
How good per-core performance is compared to 5950X? How good total multicore is? Since also, UE4 scales perfectly with the cores too.
Judging by all tests of the single-core performance it seems that Intel hasn't caught up with series 5000 from AMD so even if they did, 16-cores should be 60% faster when running MT tasks?
Puget systems say 11900K is significantly behind. But they did a very strange thing of testing on a Z490 board which might have serious implications with the most advanced boost not being active and memory performance.
Could you be so kind to test Github available source compilation, 4.26.1 or 4.27.0 (dev-core branch)?
Thanks.

 

[1d10t]

I don't see anyone blaming Intel for lacking control over MSRP.

 

[Vayra86]

I don't see anyone blaming Intel for lacking control over MSRP.

That's just because nobody wants to buy that POS

 

[AusWolf]

That's just because nobody wants to buy that POS

In the same screenshot: "0 out of 5 (0%) reviewers recommend this product." Ouch.

 

[DAWMan]

Unmatched performance in heat dissipation.

 

[WhitetailAni]

Unmatched performance in heat production.

FTFY

Though if you need a room heater, want to run F@H or something, and have a ton of money to burn, the 11900K is the CPU for you!

 

[DAWMan]

I forgot to add “with Nitrogen.”

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yep know someone that did buy a 11900k he has yet to post any benchmarks yet, It's been a couple weeks too
He may have returned or pondering a swap for 10900k lol

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Hi,
Yep know someone that did buy a 11900k he has yet to post any benchmarks yet, It's been a couple weeks too
He may have returned or pondering a swap for 10900k lol

Definitely would rather have a 10900k out of the 2

 

[ThrashZone]

Definitely would rather have a 10900k out of the 2

Hi,
Yeah 10 cores seems the logical choice
Single core bump is not all that much on 11 series.

 

[AusWolf]

Definitely would rather have a 10900k out of the 2

Definitely would rather have a 10850K. Lower, but sustained clock speeds are much more useful than sudden spikes with unmanageable power consumption and heat.

Hi,
Yep know someone that did buy a 11900k he has yet to post any benchmarks yet, It's been a couple weeks too
He may have returned or pondering a swap for 10900k lol

Or just ashamed of pointlessly wasting so much money.