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Can I add my 2 cents here. I'm no pro when it comes to Corsair LPX Ram with Ryzen CPU's but I don't seem to have any issues with my @3200 Corsair Vengence LPX (Samsung CMK32GX4M2B3200C16) coupled with my R5 3600. Am I missing something?
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Funny thing is, Corsair claim they're Certified for AMD Ryzen...

One of the guys I know there in the memory department said their modules with a Z in the model name are the best ones to use with Ryzen CPUs. There's a thread somewhere here about it, but there's nothing else to it really.
 
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So it mig
Funny thing is, Corsair claim they're Certified for AMD Ryzen...

One of the guys I know there in the memory department said their modules with a Z in the model name are the best ones to use with Ryzen CPUs. There's a thread somewhere here about it, but there's nothing else to it really.
Yeah I've seen the compatability adds plastered on the boxes. I purchased Sam B dies (Im my case low grade poo ram as some have said)
that has Intel compatability pasted to the box. Still no issues to date.
 
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Funny thing is, Corsair claim they're Certified for AMD Ryzen...

One of the guys I know there in the memory department said their modules with a Z in the model name are the best ones to use with Ryzen CPUs. There's a thread somewhere here about it, but there's nothing else to it really.

That's a different RAM. It can state whatever CMK XX YY etc... the real important number is the small one like ver5.39 that declares what kind of breed of RAM ICs you have there Z or not present.
 

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You reside the LPX in your system as I do? I can clock my RAM to 3600MHz at stupid high timings and 1.5V, but what's the point doing that? I settled to 3200 and called it a day as I have to have super high tRFC to be stable, it ain't Sammy B die for sure, but ain't spending money on DDR4 anymore. On older 5960X it didn't even boot on XMP, max it did was 2933MHz with some odd multis.

I would agree, that actually LPX RAM was hit or miss on any platform not glorifying any specific AMD or intel, the problem relies in timing disparities. And each number actually resided different IC's. Same model different memories, it created a chaos, but you cannot blame it as bad RAM. It works fine just as any RAM if properly set. Or you expect RAM that came around 2014 to work properly on any recent device you plug it in? You expect issues as a norm.

Don't use that DRAM calculator. It is useless on most parts. It does not work on older Micron D die at all, it gives nonsense timings. It works on most parts fine only on B die and CJR's. The tool is unusable on Ryzen 5xxx series also. Trial and error on your specific system and linpack the hell out of it.
I had LPX modules in my previous rig, paired with a Ryzen 7 1700 and as I said, it was a mess. Early UEFI's would only run it at JEDEC spec and nothing else or the system wouldn't boot.
Also, how old are your modules? I take it they were bought with the rest of your system and most if not all recent modules should work fine. I said the issue was with OLD LPX modules, such as those most likely used by the OP. I have a friend in South Africa that hare having the same tRFC issues as you and he can't even get over the rated 3200MHz and that's some really old LPX modules as well.

I simply pointed out that LPX modules and Ryzen CPUS are a known bad match in many cases, to which you responded, clearly without much insight into the issue, that it was BS.

It's not useless, the OP has a Ryzen 7 2700, so it will work perfectly fine with his setup. Yes, it's not been updated for a long time, but it's still a good tool for most people.

So it mig

Yeah I've seen the compatability adds plastered on the boxes. I purchased Sam B dies (Im my case low grade poo ram as some have said)
that has Intel compatability pasted to the box. Still no issues to date.
Well, B-dies do seem to work better in general, although as noted above, I have a friend in ZA that got some LPX modules with B-dies and they won't go 1MHz over 3200MHz and they have terrible tRFC timings.

That's a different RAM. It can state whatever CMK XX YY etc... the real important number is the small one like ver5.39 that declares what kind of breed of RAM ICs you have there Z or not present.
Yes, sorry, you know best. I hope you can help the OP solve his problem then, as I'm out of this thread.
 
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Well, B-dies do seem to work better in general, although as noted above, I have a friend in ZA that got some LPX modules with B-dies and they won't go 1MHz over 3200MHz and they have terrible tRFC timings.
Yep, I was shamed on another forum that I had indeed purchased the lower grade Sam B dies. Silly me thought I was onto a winner because I got them fairly cheap.
Still feeling the shame today :oops:

I left mine at the advertised speed @3200 and they've been fine. I will admit I tried to push them further but it was an epic failure which resulted in system crashes.
 

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All this talk of possibly dodgy RAM, so you need to try the obvious thing: run it with one stick and see if it's stable. If not, swap out for the other stick and see if it's stable. If not, plug the single stick into another slot and see if stable. If not, try relaxing the timings a bit and see how it goes.

In the end, it's still possible to that it's the graphics card. Hardware can have some funny failure modes. First thing to do before the RAM is to swap out that card if you can. If no good, then see about some other RAM that's known to be more compatible with your system. It's possible that the RAM is faulty.

Is your mobo's BIOS the latest one? That can be really critical for stable RAM operation.
 
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It's not useless, the OP has a Ryzen 7 2700, so it will work perfectly fine with his setup. Yes, it's not been updated for a long time, but it's still a good tool for most people.
It's actually a Ryzen 5 2600 but that doesn't make a difference anyway:)

Is your mobo's BIOS the latest one? That can be really critical for stable RAM operation.
Yes it's updated to the latest version
 
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Guys can we get away a little bit from RAMs? i'm so confident it's not what's causing the issue, lets talk about GPU, Drivers, Windows & DirectX please

Do you have a friend with a GPU you could test to eliminate at least one possible problem?
I have an old ATI Radeon HD 4350 laying in an old prebuilt.
 
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Guys can we get away a little bit from RAMs? i'm so confident it's not what's causing the issue, lets talk about GPU, Drivers, Windows & DirectX please


I have an old ATI Radeon HD 4350 laying in an old prebuilt.
Worth a shot. Good luck.
 

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And seriously buddy, try the other steps I've suggested, you might be surprised what you find out!

That 4350 might be a little too low end to stress things, but still worth a shot if it's all you've got.
 
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That 4350 might be a little too low end to stress things, but still worth a shot if it's all you've got.
thats the problem man thats all i've got

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The thing is, windows is still like a house of cards, not so much like XP was.. but still. You have cascading failures.. to me it sounds like memory too.
 

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thats the problem man thats all i've got
That's alright, go for it. If it still fails, try the RAM thingy I described. :)
 
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I have to agree that Corsair and Ryzen together have a bad track record as evidenced by numerous threads about system problems with Ryzen and Corsair RAM ran together but in this particualr instance it could be something else.
It's possible but at the same time it's not an absolute.

I also agree with the above, the PSU itself could be causing all the issues.
I have actually experienced the same across lpx and veagance line's, both seem solid if bought new now though, and I have.
And memory crashes looked like vega64 crashes here when they happened, I think the IO die is actually to blame , straight up passing out under load , I have had similar with 3x nvme in raid 0 and that memory too.
Timings could help, but they didn't end up at timings I would want to use personally when I did get it stable.
I'm running 4x 8GB @3600 Corsair vegetables RGB pro so I'm m not against Corsair quite the opposite and it wasn't the IMC alone either but the combination.
And yeh, could be PSu too.
 
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I would clean the dust from your rig for a start. I mean from every component.
last time i cleaned it like 2 months ago all it took to look like this again was like a month, thats crazy.
 

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You've been having this issue since Day One, correct? It really does sound like something in the graphics subsystem is to blame. It's possibly a driver crash; maybe games are loading it differently than benchmarks. This seems unlikely, as the 1650 is old enough that drivers should be 100% stable at this point, but one never knows. Trying an older version certainly can't hurt. I like the suggestion of dropping in a different card, and will throw out the idea of trying the 1650 in a different system if there's one available. There was also that Nvidia QN about a recent Windows update breaking game compatibility on certain systems. But that's a longshot since that update's pretty recent, long after your issues started.

As others have stated, there's an outside chance your power supply is to blame, but I'd suspect the motherboard first (if it's not the graphics).
 
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last time i cleaned it like 2 months ago all it took to look like this again was like a month, thats crazy.
I use either a small commercial vacuum on reverse (Blowing) or a medium paint brush to dust down my machine.
Just do it outdoors if you can't handle the dust. I clean my rig once a month because our home is very dusty.
 
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great, it's idling @65°C
 
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I use either a small commercial vacuum on reverse (Blowing) or a medium paint brush to dust down my machine.
Just do it outdoors if you can't handle the dust. I clean my rig once a month because our home is very dusty.
I clean my entire workspace including the insides of my PC every weekend with an anti-static air blower. Yeah, I hate dust.
 
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Nice! i mean HOLY $H!T
i think we have a faulty sensor right here, i can easily touch the heatsink with me bare hands
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