Windows 11 General Discussion

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
This is clean buddy lol
Data ssd not in it atm easy swap dual ssd bay only take a couple seconds on a restart or shut down and startup which ever to add it looks the same though lean and mean

 

[windwhirl]

No, none of that. When you create a partition for Windows to go into, instead of a "Recovery" and "EFI" partition, Setup just creates folders in the main partition of the same name. Reason for doing it this way? Should you need to edit or modify the Recovery or EFI data, it as simple as accessing the folders from the file manager. If they are in seperate partitions, the user is generally locked out of those partitions and it's a cumbersome task to get into them.

Agreed. Though if you select a blank drive, and you *don't* define the partitions yourself, Windows will do it, using the scheme mentioned before (ESP, MSR, Data, Recovery).

Defining one single partition for everything in Windows to operate from is the best way to install Windows and has been for decades..

I can agree with this, even if it doesn't really cross my mind most of the time. Be that as it may, though, Microsoft recommend what they recommend because they have to cater to a userbase that ranges from IT professionals to... totally ignorant users. Part of the point of making EFI and recovery partitions and hiding them is probably avoiding ignorant people unknowingly changing or deleting stuff that they shouldn't, either directly or indirectly by some wrongly operated application. If they're wrongly operating software that can go as far as making fatal changes in the partition scheme, well, there was no avoiding the problem anyway.

22000.51

Ever have the Wi-Fi go to the 'no world' icon, but still surfing fine?

It has been reported at least once in Feedback Hub, but not in the insider notes. Myself I don't use WiFi on my PC, but the Ethernet icon has been working correctly for me.

ima keep my win 11 in a VM until full release
once its out ima upgrade my gaming pc

Yeah, if you don't feel confident enough to deal with a spontaneously non-functional OS, you're better off leaving it in a VM.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hi,
This is clean buddy lol
Data ssd not in it atm easy swap dual ssd bay only take a couple seconds on a restart or shut down and startup which ever to add it looks the same though lean and mean
View attachment 208774

Why the unallocated 89GB?

I can agree with this, even if it doesn't really cross my mind most of the time.

I learned this lesson the hard way with Vista. As such, I make it a point to always prepare the partitions before-hand.

 

[windwhirl]

I learned this lesson the hard way with Vista

Care to tell the tale?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Care to tell the tale?

That would be a very lengthy explanation. Short version, the extra partitions caused problems and a bunch of headaches with full disk encryption. Combined with a 32GB SSD(early days of SSDs), all the unused space on those extra partitions was unacceptable. Still is.

 

[plastiscɧ]

morning guys!

i fear we all have different opinions about a structured HDD in present and how it should be and it was, in parts, 15 years ago..
may be i can bring some light in to the mists of legends of the ancient

this is how a correct formatted HDD/SSD must be parted {ignore the unallocated 93GB - it's overprovisioning}

most people would straightly click next step without knowing any of the advantages or disadvantages among MBR and GPT. And the default setting of Windows would initialize the disk to MBR partition style.

The MBR, short for Master Boot Record, is an old and commonly-used disk layout. The GPT, short for Globally Unique Identifier Partition Table, is a new disk layout associated with UEFI. Actually, MBR and GPT also determines the style of the disk. After initializing it, we can call a disk as MBR disk or GPT disk. The two different styles of disk own different schemes to manage the partitions on a disk.

Their major differences are caused by the rapid development.

the organization of the partitions table in the MBR limits the maximum addressable storage space of a disk to 2 TB. And it only supports up to 4 primary partitions, or 3 primary partitions and 1 extended partition combination. Otherwise, the disk will be converted to dynamic disk. It is not recommended to as you may encounter dynamic disk invalid problems and you cannot install OS on a dynamic disk.

GPT partition table disk supports a volume up to 9ZB – zettabytes, and the ability to have up to 128 primary partitions. However, GPT is less compatible with operating system than MBR:

Windows XP 32-bit, Windows 2000, Windows NT 4, or Windows 95/98 cannot read, write, and boot from GPT disks, they will see only the Protective MBR.

Windows XP x64 Edition can use GPT disks for data only.

All versions of Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows 2003 Server, Windows Server 2008 (R2), Windows Server 2012 (R2), and Windows Server 2016 can use GPT disk partition for data. Booting is only supported for 64-bit editions on UEFI-based systems

this is basically the mother of all types mixed.


TLDR:

getting a correct formatted HDD must be started with a complete unallocated disk. the disk must be preformatted to GPT.
thats the formula to success
while installation WIN10/11 parts itself and writes the needed parts.

There is NO reason to do it different: since x64 os and win11 today (forced to use CSM off and UEFI only) requires this kind of formating.

 

[Regeneration]

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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"JPEGImportQuality"=dword:00000100

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create a new textsheet and insert the text above! rename the file then! and change the ending from *.txt to *.reg.
execute
restart pc

View attachment 208569>>>>>>>>>>View attachment 208568

Should be dword:00000064

hex 64 is 100 in decimal

 

[plastiscɧ]

Should be dword:00000064

hex 64 is 100 in decimal

sry and thanks! i was confused cus i had 4 versions. mixed it accidently up

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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"JPEGImportQuality"=dword:00000064

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[lexluthermiester]

the disk must be preformatted to GPT.

I disagree. There is no functional or technical reasons to use GPT unless the drive/drive-array in question is over 2TB in size. There are no stability, security or compatibility issues with MBR.

 

[plastiscɧ]

I disagree. There is no functional or technical reasons to use GPT unless the drive/drive-array in question is over 2TB in size. There are no stability, security or compatibility issues with MBR.

look to the written in complete. and the TLDR

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Agreed. Though if you select a blank drive, and you *don't* define the partitions yourself, Windows will do it, using the scheme mentioned before (ESP, MSR, Data, Recovery).


I can agree with this, even if it doesn't really cross my mind most of the time. Be that as it may, though, Microsoft recommend what they recommend because they have to cater to a userbase that ranges from IT professionals to... totally ignorant users. Part of the point of making EFI and recovery partitions and hiding them is probably avoiding ignorant people unknowingly changing or deleting stuff that they shouldn't, either directly or indirectly by some wrongly operated application. If they're wrongly operating software that can go as far as making fatal changes in the partition scheme, well, there was no avoiding the problem anyway.


It has been reported at least once in Feedback Hub, but not in the insider notes. Myself I don't use WiFi on my PC, but the Ethernet icon has been working correctly for me.


Yeah, if you don't feel confident enough to deal with a spontaneously non-functional OS, you're better off leaving it in a VM.

I would upgrade now but Iose some games

 

[Mussels]

I disagree. There is no functional or technical reasons to use GPT unless the drive/drive-array in question is over 2TB in size. There are no stability, security or compatibility issues with MBR.

MBR doesnt support UEFI booting, so yeah thats a major issue - slows down boots, breaks features on some boards

 

[plastiscɧ]

MBR doesnt support UEFI booting, so yeah thats a major issue - slows down boots, breaks features on some boards

Exactly!

and beside:
masterpieces like my multi 6in1#drive-rescueStick would not work, or could not have been created otherwise.

 

[P4-630]

People in my country are now trying to sell off old laptops on which they have managed windows 11 installed.....

 

[FireFox]

People in my country are now trying to sell off old laptops on which they have managed windows 11 installed.....

Maybe they succeed with those people that don't have even a 0.1% of knowledge about PC

 

[P4-630]

Maybe they succeed with those people that don't have even a 0.1% of knowledge about PC

That's probably what they are trying to do.

 

[ThrashZone]

MBR doesnt support UEFI booting, so yeah thats a major issue - slows down boots, breaks features on some boards

Hi,
I disable fast start/ hibernation features regardless of os but especially on win-8 through 10 and again on 11 that won't change.

Slow boot really ? 4 seconds I'd rather be able to get to bios faster lol without jumping through hoops and without going through win-10 obnoxious menus,
I do have a delete key that works very well as long as the os doesn't get in the way.

Besides ssd & hdd manufactures send ssd's 120gb through 1tb already mbr so talk to them about how gpt needed.

Only reason win-11 requires gpt/... is 10 loves to create recovery partitions for large builds period and if it can't it throws errors and that costs them in customer support.
Disks are overly cluttered.

 

[Mussels]

Hi,
I disable fast start/ hibernation features regardless of os but especially on win-8 through 10 and again on 11 that won't change.

Slow boot really ? 4 seconds I'd rather be able to get to bios faster lol without jumping through hoops and without going through win-10 obnoxious menus,
I do have a delete key that works very well as long as the os doesn't get in the way.

Besides ssd & hdd manufactures send ssd's 120gb through 1tb already mbr so talk to them about how gpt needed.

Only reason win-11 requires gpt/... is 10 loves to create recovery partitions for large builds period and if it can't it throws errors and that costs them in customer support.
Disks are overly cluttered.

Yeah... you get slower boots with UEFI disabled. Unless of course, you ALREADY disabled it. I wonder why you havent noticed a change?
Also, i have no issues going into the BIOS with UEFI and fast boot on, never have.

 

[Mr Bill]

Only reason win-11 requires gpt/... is 10 loves to create recovery partitions for large builds period and if it can't it throws errors and that costs them in customer support.
Disks are overly cluttered.

But I have installed 11 on my old X58 Alienware machine, no option for UEFI, only MBR.

 

[windwhirl]

MBR doesnt support UEFI booting, so yeah thats a major issue - slows down boots, breaks features on some boards

It's supported, but only if you use CSM.

People in my country are now trying to sell off old laptops on which they have managed windows 11 installed.....

... Scalpers remix?

But I have installed 11 on my old X58 Alienware machine, no option for UEFI, only MBR.

That's weird, X58 does support UEFI, doesn't it? You probably get a choice for "legacy" boot or something like that, which is UEFI-CSM, which supports MBR-style partitions.

However, the Windows 11 preview doesn't really enforce the system requirements. Microsoft has implied as much.

 

[Mr Bill]

That's weird, X58 does support UEFI, doesn't it? You probably get a choice for "legacy" boot or something like that, which is UEFI-CSM, which supports MBR-style partitions.

However, the Windows 11 preview doesn't really enforce the system requirements. Microsoft has implied as much.

This is the board I have in the PC, I've never seen an option for UEFI, but it would be nice. ASUS P6T Deluxe - 2 - motherboard - ATX - LGA1366 Socket - X58 Series

 

[windwhirl]

This is the board I have in the PC, I've never seen an option for UEFI, but it would be nice. ASUS P6T Deluxe - 2 - motherboard - ATX - LGA1366 Socket - X58 Series

Weird. It really doesn't seem to have any UEFI options, so either it works constantly as UEFI-CSM or it's fully legacy (BIOS-style)

 

[Mr Bill]

Weird. It really doesn't seem to have any UEFI options, so either it works constantly as UEFI-CSM or it's fully legacy (BIOS-style)

I just went into the bios and looked, and looked, no option for any choice, so it must be fully legacy mode. I did try booting with a UEFI Windows11 ssd drive from another machine, it would not boot.

 

[Rock N Roll Rebel]

well darn the bug is back and is not going away every time i click on power in settings settings closes weird

 

[lexluthermiester]

MBR doesnt support UEFI booting, so yeah thats a major issue - slows down boots, breaks features on some boards

Unless the UEFI is set to legacy boot mode. TADAA!