Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
Exactly
Burring ones head in the sand saying better testing for some odd reason is impossible for travelers is disturbing to me
But turn around and saying jabbing the world is a piece of cake is illogical this just ignores why we all have this virus in the first place.
I don't need a map to tell me the obvious dude just switches to local state to state issue lol it's not where this crap originated lol

Exactly which countries would you have prevented entry into the USA? And how exactly would your proposal have been different from Biden's ban on travel from India back in April?

A Proclamation on the Suspension of Entry as Nonimmigrants of Certain Additional Persons Who Pose a Risk of Transmitting Coronavirus Disease 2019 | The White House

The national emergency caused by the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak in the United States continues to pose a grave threat to our health and

www.whitehouse.gov

After reviewing the public health situation within the Republic of India, CDC has concluded that proactive measures are required to protect the Nation’s public health from travelers entering the United States from that jurisdiction.

Given the determination of CDC, working in close coordination with the Department of Homeland Security, described above, I have determined that it is in the interests of the United States to take action to restrict and suspend the entry into the United States, as nonimmigrants, of noncitizens of the United States (“noncitizens”) who were physically present within the Republic of India during the 14‑day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States.

That's the thing. Delta was in UK / France / Germany / etc. etc. by this point. We shut the door to India but it still was in our country anyway. Probably from somewhere else. COVID19 may have originated from China but most of the cases in New York came from Europe.

Its not as easy as "ban X country" from travel. This disease travels very quickly between countries.

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That's the thing. I know we're still playing the "Travel Restriction" game when and where we can. But it doesn't work as effectively as vaccines. We are trying to use all the tools at our disposal.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I never said Prevent travel
I said better testing for travelers and delays for them
Add it to the cost of the ticket.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
I never said Prevent travel
I said better testing for travelers and delays for them
Add it to the cost of the ticket.

Rescission: Requirement for Negative Pre-Departure COVID-19 Test Result or Documentation of Recovery from COVID-19 for all Airline or Other Aircraft Passengers Arriving into the United States from Any Foreign Country | Quarantine | CDC

The CDC issued an Amended Order on October 25, 2021 requiring proof of a negative COVID-19 test or recovery from COVID-19 for all air passengers arriving into the United States.

www.cdc.gov

Order: Requirement for Proof of Negative COVID-19 Test Result or Recovery from COVID-19 for All Airline Passengers Arriving into the United States​

We're already doing that. All travelers, period, must have a negative test before they come into this country.

So as I've asked before: what exactly would you have changed? We're not only requiring negative tests from all passengers, we're even banning all travelers from certain countries.

 

[ThrashZone]

Obviously we need better tests.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Obviously we need better tests.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/pdf/Airline_Testing_Order_Checklist-p.pdf

You're not even allowed to use antibody tests to pass the CDC Air-traveler mandate. We've already banned the weaker tests and force the use of the more reliable ones. So unless you invent a new test that no one has ever heard of before, that's it. We got what we got.

I'm not saying that these measures were worthless. I'm sure they slowed down the spread and gave us more time. But clearly, these measures were not the answer to make our country safe. The only way forward is vaccination. Hoping for better tests (or spinning up precious R&D cycles on better testing) seems counterproductive compared to just passing out the vaccine to more people.

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Look: this virus is a nightmare to test for. It can hide in the body for multiple days, and tests will deliver false-negatives in that time period. Its just how the virus works. That's why the virus keeps spreading, because the virus hides from us very effectively.

 

[ThrashZone]

If they didn't pick up delta on current tests yes they are not good enough no spin involved it's fact.
Bugger test was never any good.

 

[dragontamer5788]

If they didn't pick up delta on current tests yes they are not good enough no spin involved it's fact.
Bugger test was never any good.

Look, if you invent a new test that has a high rate of success even in the early asymptomatic periods of the virus's inoculation, you probably would instantly become a billionaire. Feel free to invent the test and market it to the world. But otherwise, there's no point complaining about it. I'm not a microbiologist or a biochemical engineer. Its not within my capabilities to make something like that.

COVID19 always evaded detection and hid from our tests. That's why we were freaking out about it last year, its very, very hard to test for. Apparently, it was easier and quicker to make a vaccine than to make a better test. So here we are: we have a vaccine but no good tests yet.

 

[Space Lynx]

@ThrashZone , @dragontamer5788,

I see both points as true. Open borders and crappy screening let it in. Again, New Zealand is the 5 million human study group.

And, tbf, if that had been done, the US, UK, etc would be better. But... Australia is having a bad time controlling it now because although they controlled the borders, their vaccination state is well behind.

Both points are valid.

I'm assuming New Zealand closed its borders to Australia and everywhere else again by now? Island nations that close off their borders seem to be doing the best. New Zealand is like the only example of this sadly.

 

[Xzibit]

I'm assuming New Zealand closed its borders to Australia and everywhere else again by now? Island nations that close off their borders seem to be doing the best. New Zealand is like the only example of this sadly.

BBC: Covid in Sydney: Military deployed to help enforce lockdown​

 

[dragontamer5788]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/

Silver lining: vaccination rates are going up again, especially in states where Delta has surged.

Better late than never I guess. But that vaccine won't be offering even partial protection for another 2 weeks nor full protection for another 5 weeks. They should have started to get vaccinated over a month ago if they wanted to be protected today.

Vaccine-hesitant pockets of the country turned hot spots, including Louisiana, experienced a 114 percent increase in uptake, according to the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Arkansas recorded a 96 percent increase, Alabama, 65 percent, and Missouri, 49 percent.

Still, it takes ~1 month before someone dies of COVID19. So they'll be getting that full protection roughly as the death-rates spike from this latest surge. All in all, a beneficial move. Again, better late than never.

 

[ThrashZone]

Look, if you invent a new test that has a high rate of success even in the early asymptomatic periods of the virus's inoculation, you probably would instantly become a billionaire. Feel free to invent the test and market it to the world. But otherwise, there's no point complaining about it. I'm not a microbiologist or a biochemical engineer. Its not within my capabilities to make something like that.

COVID19 always evaded detection and hid from our tests. That's why we were freaking out about it last year, its very, very hard to test for. Apparently, it was easier and quicker to make a vaccine than to make a better test. So here we are: we have a vaccine but no good tests yet.

Hi,
Right, now it's all on me to do the work of the experts since they can't lol

Make as many excuses as you feel you need to why the experts can't do this or that it's just too tough but giving a emergancy jab or two to the planet is ezpz

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
Right, now it's all on me to do the work of the experts since they can't lol

There once was a colony of mice who gathered for a meeting. One belligerent fellow stood up and said "Wouldn't it be nice if the Cat who was hunting us down had a bell on it? To warn us when it was approaching?". The elder mice then said: "Yes it'd be nice. Are you volunteering to put a bell on the cat?". To which the belligerent fellow then sat down. Legend says the cat still terrorizes the mice.

The world only changes when someone puts forth the effort to make the change. Those who complain about the world but fail to make any change to it contribute only as much as that belligerent mouse in the story.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Crap is that another excuse example lol

 

[claes]

Covid came to the US before tests existed and before we were aware of its spread in Seattle and NYC. It’s a moot point as it would’ve spread regardless. We could talk about having ended non-essential interstate travel but then we may as well have shut down the country for two months and let the virus die out. Or longer, until we had a vaccine or better tests.

edit: aside, here’s that CDC report:

C.D.C. Internal Report Calls Delta Variant as Contagious as Chickenpox (Published 2021)

Infections in vaccinated Americans are rare, compared with those in unvaccinated people, the document said. But when they occur, vaccinated people may spread the virus just as easily.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Space Lynx]

BBC: Covid in Sydney: Military deployed to help enforce lockdown​

I think only 8 deaths is a mistake to close everything down... I understand its serious, but also so are people not being able to financially survive. (I'd say enforce masks more heavily is better answer)

I don't understand why it is taking Australia so long to get covid shots to older and vulnerable people. Also, if Covid is here to stay forever, Pfizer and Moderna should have worked together with other countries to create a new mega facility that is capable of like 2 billion doses a year manufactured. Short term greed sure is a bitch sometimes. There is no reason all those top dogs couldn't work together to solve the issue of supply.

 

[Xzibit]

I think only 8 deaths is a mistake to close everything down... I understand its serious, but also so are people not being able to financially survive. (I'd say enforce masks more heavily is better answer)

I don't understand why it is taking Australia so long to get covid shots to older and vulnerable people. Also, if Covid is here to stay forever, Pfizer and Moderna should have worked together with other countries to create a new mega facility that is capable of like 2 billion doses a year manufactured. Short term greed sure is a bitch sometimes. There is no reason all those top dogs couldn't work together to solve the issue of supply.

Well to me its interesting because reported cases

7-day avg is below 200

7-day avg in one of our counties with 2million less people is 2,000 with 52% full vax

So it stood out to me.


As far as big pharma goes. They should know when the drop off period was. P3 stated over a year and it took the Israel study to get a confirmation for the 6month drop off. Makes people uneasy when information is held off.

 

[HTC]

I think only 8 deaths is a mistake to close everything down... I understand its serious, but also so are people not being able to financially survive. (I'd say enforce masks more heavily is better answer)

I don't understand why it is taking Australia so long to get covid shots to older and vulnerable people. Also, if Covid is here to stay forever, Pfizer and Moderna should have worked together with other countries to create a new mega facility that is capable of like 2 billion doses a year manufactured. Short term greed sure is a bitch sometimes. There is no reason all those top dogs couldn't work together to solve the issue of supply.

By having hard measures early, you also have them for a much smaller time frame so, it's actually cheaper to go this route than it is to wait until you have a lot more cases before doing so because it will also cause the need for the measures to be enforced for a longer period, thus more expensive.

There is precedence with this and COVID with New Zealand: they acted early and hard and thus their lockdown lasted a short while, so it was not AS PRICEY as longer lockdowns have been for other countries AND their people.

 

[R-T-B]

Hi,
Crap is that another excuse example lol

It's the truth. Why are you being so argumentitive here? That was as generalized as you can make something.

 

[Xzibit]

Bloomberg: CDC Scaled Back Hunt for Breakthrough Cases Just as the Delta Variant Grew​

But in the months since, the number of vaccine breakthrough cases has grown, as has the risk that they present. And while the CDC has stopped tracking such cases, many states have not. Bloomberg gathered data from 35 states and identified 111,748 vaccine breakthrough cases through the end of July, more than 10 times the CDC’s end-of-April tally.

 

[Caring1]

The more I read the more confident I am in the vaccine. If they recommend a third dose of vaccine then I will get it. There are possible side effects like Bell's Palsy but that doesn't bother me much since it is a relatively rare side effect and most recover within a few weeks.

I've had Bell's Palsy and eating and drinking through a straw for weeks is no fun.

 

[Space Lynx]

I've had Bell's Palsy and eating and drinking through a straw for weeks is no fun.

I would need to see the numbers to know how I feel about another shot. I mean we have what a billion people on Earth that have had Pfizer now and what 500 bells palsy cases? If those are the numbers, then the odds of me winning the biggest lottery in history 100x over...

Again, I don't know the exact numbers, but yeah if they are to high... then I would pass

 

[Space Lynx]

Here's why you're waiting months for that couch you ordered

Get ready to wait months, maybe even into 2022, for that new sofa to arrive at your doorstep.

www.cnn.com

there is a suspected new variant of Covid-19 yet unidentified in Vietnam. June - Vietnam had low hundreds of cases, and end of July almost 10,000.

it must not be Delta, cause the article says unidentified. so who knows. lol again... very very happy I have a 3-4 month of supply of food on rotation... someday the mutation is going to be just right to bring everything to a screeching halt.

 

[Xzibit]

I guess this is the one that scared CDC. Barnstable County, Massachusetts.

Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MA DPH)

 

[the54thvoid]

This thread looks like a tug of war between vaccine doubt and vaccine confirmation.

Delta arrived after the vaccines were created. Delta has a mutation on the spike part of its body (as well as other changes). This makes it more transmissible. Even for vaccines.

However, and what is the important part, is that every expert agrees that vaccines are reducing deaths and severe illness. They're doing what they're meant to.

Boosters, and/or exposure to the virus will further boost antibodies.

It's funny. Last year, the Covid arguments revolved around how bad it was. "It's just the flu". It was treated in some quarters as a fuss over nothing. Now the arguments are over vaccines not reducing spread. Well, they do, but they don't prevent it. Gone is the death component of the Covid argument.

But, if we apply last year's legacy denial; that Covid isn't serious, then the logic is pretty clear. Vaccines make Covid a trivial concern. Sure, you might get it. But you'll almost certainly not die compared to last year's surges.

Vaccines are doing what they're meant to do. But Covid is still with us. Always will be.

 

[Ahhzz]

I've had Bell's Palsy and eating and drinking through a straw for weeks is no fun.

Beats the hell out of not being able to eat or drink at all because you're on a vent