Seems to me that you opinion is based off a couple reviews with good looking wording that have little meaning (facts) and lots of bias (sponsored) with some of your own experience experience with prebuilt pc's."They" dont put "better" components because "they" dont manufacture them, "they" just sell them. Its usually the opposite, downgraded caps with raised power consumption limits so they can advertise unrealistic figures. Although antec does have good products but i still wouldnt go for them in most cases.
Seasonic isnt in the market advertising where you can brainwash people easily. They make products for professional use, businesses make investments expected to last several years with high stress loads and if those expectations arent met then seasonic wont see orders from them in a long time. So its in the interestest of both parties to have a sustainable ecosystem. Where most gaming brands aim for profit in the short term and wont be accountable if something happens after 2 years
Any example of all this "professional use"?
I dunno, my rather inexpensive FSP 700-50ARN PSU hasn't kicked the bucked since 2014 and it has modded fan to spin slower. That's 7 years of life so far. I got TT Litepower 450W in 2019, still works fine. I have Chieftec A50 550W currently, which I bought in 2017 or 2018, it still works. My old prebuilt's Codegen 500X still works since 2013. None of them were branded for gaming, but my point about cheap PSUs lasting, stands. As long as you leave decent wattage unused anything will last a very long time. But aye, not using all advertised wattage is something that anyone should always do.
How is my experience anectdotal, its one of the most common situations in the gaming scene.
Might be, but your conclusion makes no sense.
Guy builds expensive gaming pc with budget psu and after 2 years the gpu dies
Its not the gpu that died, the psu killed it.
Actually, my friends gpu died after barely 3 years of buying a rx480 on release. Happened to me once on the early years of my journey.
Ive heard and read the story countless times, the symptons look like: "my pc powers off randomly (this one might be the only one benign)" "my gpu is displaying artifacts" "my gpu is not detected" "my motherboard doesnt turn on"
If you misunderstand, I don't advocate buying some really low end stuff, that it really dodgy, I'm just saying that there are plenty of inexpensive units that works well for a long time and it doesn't have to be Seasonic.
I personally wouldn't have any problems with buying this instead of Seasonic:
The MWE 550 Bronze V2 offers 80 Plus Bronze certification, guaranteeing an average efficiency of 85% at typical load. The DC-to-DC + LLC circuit design allows the unit to convert power to components reliably, efficiently, and safely for better overall performance. This unit operates in silent...
www.coolermaster.com
It still costs less and does the same thing as Seasonic S12III 550. Buying a solid power supply, doesn't mean buying Seasonic exclusively.
The fact that a PSU is able to power on a computer doesnt mean its providing proper voltages or delivering quality and stable current. For all you know it could just be frying your vrms.
That is if it sends more power than VRM can take, but that's rare. A cheap PSU would send less power.
Throw any sub 30€ PSU of your choice to a computer with 4-8 cores and a reasonably high performance GPU. Maybe if you use it a couple times a week it might last 6 years, but use it to play every single day and then come here in 3 years to let me know how well it went.
I used 700-50ARN for 7 years with computer on nearly everyday. It wasn't 30 Euro PSU. I used that cheap Codegen as an example of how long these things can last and should last.
Sure a shitty pc with barely 50w of consumption can survive 15 years with almost any psu, like in your experience, but thats just taking things out of context. Hilarious you talk about anecdotal
Barely 50W? That PSU was in system consisting of these parts:
Athlon 64 3200+ s754 Newcastle
DFI K8T800Pro-ALF
2x1GB DDR400
Sparkle GeForce FX 5200 128MB
Samsung Spinpoint 80GB
WD Caviar 120GB
TP-Link 56 modem
DVD drive
3.5" Floppy drive
PSU calculator rates this system at a little bit less than 200 watts. As for anecdotal experience, I can tell that local OEMs managed to sell a shit ton of systems over decade with various Codegen power supplies. If they were that shit, then they would be out of business, but they aren't. I can go to local used computer sites and still find plenty of old machines with Codegens or equally "crappy" power supplies still running after decade. As far as i know, they also put some k series i7s with GTX xx60 series cards in those systems. So it's not like they aren't stressed either. They also put same power supplies to some AMD FX systems that they sold. They simply last. You can talk shit about their poor efficiency about unpainted metal cases and etc, but they last probably longer than most Corsair CX stuff (Corsair is not a legitimate brand to me).
Not sure about the person you were replying to, but after getting a 3080 video card from Gigabyte they were already on my blacklist. First of all, due to poor quality thermal pads that were leaking oil, and second due to poor quality software, the AORUS Engine being an abomination which seemed to be designed using MS Paint. I mean, what the hell is this (spoiler, you can click that to adjust RGB lighting):
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That's not great, but it doesn't look anything really unusual. I wouldn't really trust Asus, XFX, Zotac, Inno3D, Manli, Palit, MSI, Powercolor to not fuck up like that.
