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[Space Lynx]

Guessing then I'll be keeping my 16 year old Cupra R a little bit longer

as much money as you probably make from mining, you might as well just keep it forever as a backup anyway.

 

[AusWolf]

Only thing that I wonder about, get everyone over to electric, where's all the fuel duty and car tax going to go... The cost of electric over here is already going north and I can't see it dropping if we are going to be charging cars, vans, lorries and all the rest of it....

It's not just that. I live in a flat on the 1st floor about 30 metres away from my designated parking space. How could I switch over to electric even if I wanted to? I'm not gonna hang extensions down the window, and I don't have hours to spend at a service station doing nothing while my car is charging. What about cross-country road trips?

Also, what's with the network? Will it support so many cars charging at the same time? And what's with the battery? Lithium batteries don't last long enough to be used in cars, IMO. They also can't be recycled, and mining lithium pollutes as hell, AFAIK.

The whole idea of owning an electric car in their current state is just a big nightmare.

Guessing then I'll be keeping my 16 year old Cupra R a little bit longer

Same with my Fiesta ST. Buying it 2 years ago was the best decision ever.

We are turning into a big Nanny state... I honestly don't believe limiting cars to a speed limit is going to help much...

I agree. You can be a twat at 20 mph as well. It's only gonna end fun driving as we know it. Like common people having a bit of fun is such a huge sin. Why is the world so serious about everything nowadays? Where have the happy '80s gone?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yep, sure to happen once we're all driving electric / hydrogen / etc. cars.

I'm not going to drive electric until the per charge range matches or exceeds the range of a full tank of liquid fuel and the recharge times go from hours down to minutes(less than 20). Electric vehicles are unacceptable until those metrics are achieved.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I wonder how many Porches, Ferraris and Lamborghini's will be sold in Europe next year when they are speed restricted, I suppose at that point the driving pleasure will be 3 - 4 seconds worth of 0 - 70 mph acceleration and the sound coming out of the exhaust, well worth it for £100k - £300k

@lexluthermiester I agree, my next door neighbour drives a company full electric Polestar 2, he has had an external power point installed for it, it takes him around 13 hours (he said) to get a full charge and that gives him a range of about 330 miles but occasionally his work journeys are a bit longer so he has to stop to fast charge at a charging station, that takes around 25 minutes but costs £40 although that is about half the cost of the liquid stuff relative to the cars performance which is 408BHP with a 0 - 60 time of under 4 seconds.

Polestar 2 – Our 100% electric car | Polestar UK

 

[Deleted member 24505]

What the hell?

Mandatory speed limiters on EU cars from 2024 | AutoTrader

All new vehicles sold in Europe – including Northern Ireland but not Great Britain – will be fitted with a mandatory speed limiter from 2024 to keep cars within the speed limits and boost road safety.

www.autotrader.co.uk

Imo good. There are lots of nutters driving who are imo fuckwits. I really don't see the need to buy a car that does 160+ when the speed limit on a motorway is 70.

They easily get re-elected in Europe because people are too stupid to have an original thought on their own without political influence from Brussels. If they put a tax on breathing air, the general public still wouldn't question their authority.

Biggest sheep mentality bullshit in the UK is the TV tax....sorry license. I don't pay it and never will, even if it meant going to jail, I would still stand in court and say i'm not paying it, and not paying your fine either as paying it means i agree i did something wrong.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I wonder how many Porches, Ferraris and Lamborghini's will be sold in Europe next year when they are speed restricted, I suppose at that point the driving pleasure will be 3 - 4 seconds worth of 0 - 70 mph acceleration and the sound coming out of the exhaust, well worth it for £100k - £300k

Do people remember why WW2 happened? Sheer stupidity this speed limiter nonsense.

@lexluthermiester I agree, my next door neighbour drives a company full electric Polestar 2, he has had an external power point installed for it, it takes him around 13 hours (he said) to get a full charge and that gives him a range of about 330 miles but occasionally his work journeys are a bit longer so he has to stop to fast charge at a charging station, that takes around 25 minutes but costs £40 although that is about half the cost of the liquid stuff relative to the cars performance which is 408BHP with a 0 - 60 time of under 4 seconds.

For reference, my Acura TSX gets an average of between 520 to 540 miles per tank and takes all of 4 minutes to fill up the 13.5 gallon tank for $3.70(currently) per gallon. Electric is simply not acceptable by comparison.

Biggest sheep mentality bullshit in the UK is the TV tax....sorry license. I don't pay it and never will, even if it meant going to jail, I would still stand in court and say i'm not paying it, and not paying your fine either as paying it means i agree i did something wrong.

This. 100% agree.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I'm not going to drive electric until the per charge range matches or exceeds the range of a full tank of liquid fuel and the recharge times go from hours down to minutes(less than 20). Electric vehicles are unacceptable until those metrics are achieved.

I think a lot of chargers in supermarket carparks and motorways can give you about 30-40% charge in 20-30mins. But yes, More charging points need to be built in residential areas to so that people have somewhere to charge if the local council doesnt grant them permission to build their own charge point at home... and even then i dont think those home chargers charge as fast as the ones in supermarkets and motorways.

 

[phill]

as much money as you probably make from mining, you might as well just keep it forever as a backup anyway.

None of my cash comes from mining I mine but the money I give to my mate who I'm trying to help out get things sorted out for him. Then he'll be paying me back or mining it anyways, 50/50 always That said, we have hardware we could sell but that's not my bag baby

It's not just that. I live in a flat on the 1st floor about 30 metres away from my designated parking space. How could I switch over to electric even if I wanted to? I'm not gonna hang extensions down the window, and I don't have hours to spend at a service station doing nothing while my car is charging. What about cross-country road trips?

Also, what's with the network? Will it support so many cars charging at the same time? And what's with the battery? Lithium batteries don't last long enough to be used in cars, IMO. They also can't be recycled, and mining lithium pollutes as hell, AFAIK.

The whole idea of owning an electric car in their current state is just a big nightmare.

I do believe they are a fad to be doing good but for everything else that's needed, I think they are a worse polluter than normal cars. I'd love to see proper 100% legit facts, but I'm sure there's no such thing and one will always look worse than the other... I can understand though from a servicing point of view, electric cars are somewhat cheaper by far in that regard.

Same with my Fiesta ST. Buying it 2 years ago was the best decision ever.


I agree. You can be a twat at 20 mph as well. It's only gonna end fun driving as we know it. Like common people having a bit of fun is such a huge sin. Why is the world so serious about everything nowadays? Where have the happy '80s gone?

Sad to say it that even when the speed limit is at 20 and someone's limited to 70/80, you'd get someone trying to do that speed through a 20. I believe that the only time you won't have speeding is when the car knows the speed and just limits the car accordingly... By then, it'll be like iRobot......

I'm not going to drive electric until the per charge range matches or exceeds the range of a full tank of liquid fuel and the recharge times go from hours down to minutes(less than 20). Electric vehicles are unacceptable until those metrics are achieved.

I do wonder if there's going to be another option before that happens. I mean, I'm sorry but I'm not going to spend out £50k on a car I don't want. I couldn't afford to do so and I wouldn't want to either. IF and when I buy another car, it'll be something that I want to have rather than something that I'm told to have. I so far have zero interest in electric cars, even the performance doesn't get the car juices in me flowing... They just don't do a thing for me.. May as well drive a fridge....

I wonder how many Porches, Ferraris and Lamborghini's will be sold in Europe next year when they are speed restricted, I suppose at that point the driving pleasure will be 3 - 4 seconds worth of 0 - 70 mph acceleration and the sound coming out of the exhaust, well worth it for £100k - £300k

@lexluthermiester I agree, my next door neighbour drives a company full electric Polestar 2, he has had an external power point installed for it, it takes him around 13 hours (he said) to get a full charge and that gives him a range of about 330 miles but occasionally his work journeys are a bit longer so he has to stop to fast charge at a charging station, that takes around 25 minutes but costs £40 although that is about half the cost of the liquid stuff relative to the cars performance which is 408BHP with a 0 - 60 time of under 4 seconds.

Polestar 2 – Our 100% electric car | Polestar UK

There's only so many times you can go 0 to 70 and get bored of it, but then you'll have idiots on the road that will find a way to make the legal limits dangerous. You only have to see when a traffic jam starts forming to how many idiots are there and how little patience people have... Ever since the first lock down and no people on the road, the road manners around where I live and seeing it drive up the motorway to pick up my eldest daughter has become horrible. I'm sadly sure it's like it everywhere in the world, not just in Somerset in the UK..

Imo good. There are lots of nutters driving who are imo fuckwits. I really don't see the need to buy a car that does 160+ when the speed limit on a motorway is 70.

Biggest sheep mentality bullshit in the UK is the TV tax....sorry license. I don't pay it and never will, even if it meant going to jail, I would still stand in court and say i'm not paying it, and not paying your fine either as paying it means i agree i did something wrong.

Most of the cars I've owned have been able to do double the speed limit and some more but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I think a lot of chargers in supermarket carparks and motorways can give you about 30-40% charge in 20-30mins. But yes, More charging points need to be built in residential areas to so that people have somewhere to charge if the local council doesnt grant them permission to build their own charge point at home... and even then i dont think those home chargers charge as fast as the ones in supermarkets and motorways.

I believe we are going to be needing a shed load more electric made before we even have enough electric to charge everything.. It seems utterly mental saying that we need cleaner energy but then we need to find a way to make it and without something going majorly bad should something go wrong. Efficiency I think is the key...
And no I don't believe that home charging is anywhere near what a supermarket or services charger is.

After a little Googling, I found this link which seems to explain things quite well

In summary of the link, charging at home 3kW to 7kW charging.
Services charging up to 120kW so there's a little difference there....

What I did find funny is the quote down the page saying about if someone has finished charging and you need it they'll move... I wonder how long that will last should there be more electric cars around that chargers....... Food for thought for me there...

 

[lexluthermiester]

But yes, More charging points need to be built in residential areas

I disagree entirely. We don't need more recharge stations. Battery formulations need improvement to increase energy densities and recharge times. Ideally, super capacitors are a better solution as they can recharge very quickly, but the problem is keeping that charge stored long enough for it to be useful.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I disagree entirely. We don't need more recharge stations.

Plan to run your electric car on solar power?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Plan to run your electric car on solar power?

Um...

Battery formulations need improvement to increase energy densities and recharge times. Ideally, super capacitors are a better solution as they can recharge very quickly, but the problem is keeping that charge stored long enough for it to be useful.

...nope.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Um...

...nope.

but how are you going to charge your car without any chargepoints? what if you get to an existing chargepoint and someone is already charging? what if there arent any chargers free and available?

its like having all the residents in a large block of flats trying to share 2 toilets

 

[lexluthermiester]

but how are you going to charge your car without any chargepoints? what if you get to an existing chargepoint and someone is already charging? what if there arent any chargers free and available?

its like having all the residents in a large block of flats trying to share 2 toilets

Again...

Battery formulations need improvement to increase energy densities and recharge times.

...this would mean charging at home becomes faster & easier. And if charges lasted longer(greater vehicle range) and charge times were shorter(less waiting for charge to complete), the problems you describe would either not exist or would be diminished, even at recharge stations, which I'm sure will replace refueling stations.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Well one thing I do know, all new cars being sold in the UK from 2030 will be all electric, I am guessing there will be millions of petrol heads buying decent used petrol cars in 2029, it's gonna get manic at that point, I do believe that we need to be greener, no doubt there but bringing in a law without the appropriate infrastructure planning is just going to defeat the whole object, although I wouldn't be surprised if road tax for petrol cars will go through the roof, we are already seeing that now, my youngest daughter has an F Type jag and she pays not far short of £500 a year to drive the thing, in fact any petrol/diesel car new or used that cost £40k plus new originally comes with that amount of road tax today.

On top of all that, there are less and less petrol engine choice already if you even want to buy a mainstream family motor.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I'll be gad to see the back of dirty IC cars. Can't wait for all electric, i'm sure the infrastructure will be there to support it as they become more prevalent.

I guess at some point there will be electric muscle cars, as electric motors produce 100% torque from 0 rpm which is pretty good.

 

[kurosagi01]

Seeing as i'll be doing less miles with my new job my next car is practically going to be a fun car and semi impractical while my GF car is the shopping car.
I'm not spending no more than £30k tops on my next car as beyond that is too much, mainly looking at 2 door coupe for my final car...would like to get a Supra mk4 or RX7 or something but too expensive now.

 

[Space Lynx]

Seeing as i'll be doing less miles with my new job my next car is practically going to be a fun car and semi impractical while my GF car is the shopping car.
I'm not spending no more than £30k tops on my next car as beyond that is too much, mainly looking at 2 door coupe for my final car...would like to get a Supra mk4 or RX7 or something but too expensive now.

I fully expect an oil crisis within next 5 years and gas to nearly double in price, so I am banking on the 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 60 mpg hybrid for 23k.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Seeing as i'll be doing less miles with my new job my next car is practically going to be a fun car and semi impractical while my GF car is the shopping car.

GR Yaris or Hyundai i30N

 

[kurosagi01]

I fully expect an oil crisis within next 5 years and gas to nearly double in price, so I am banking on the 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 60 mpg hybrid for 23k.

Not fussed if there is one, go out with a bang with petrol car. This would be the last hoorah before the "electric" car era kicks in.

GR Yaris or Hyundai i30N

Sadly not.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Not fussed if there is one, go out with a bang with petrol car. This would be the last hoorah before the "electric" car era kicks in.

Sadly not.

I had a Nissan 370Z for a few months about 5 years back, bought it as a stand in car 2nd hand as I had ordered a different new car but the wait time was 8 months, I sold it for more than I paid for it but I was sorry to see it go TBH, you could do a lot worse.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Sadly not

*sad chu-chu noises*

 

[phill]

That will be something truly missed.... Nothing like a V8 rumbling along and a Harley Davidson bike roaring past either... At least you knew it was coming!!

 

[kurosagi01]

I had a Nissan 370Z for a few months about 5 years back, bought it as a stand in car 2nd hand as I had ordered a different new car but the wait time was 8 months, I sold it for more than I paid for it but I was sorry to see it go TBH, you could do a lot worse.

Ironically I'm currently debating between:
2nd gen GT86(had 1st gen) with all the mods to get the most out of the NA setup or go turbo. I'm very familiar with the GT86 platform as I had one before so getting 2nd gen/face lift would be an option.
My other option is a 370z nismo and then modify it after few months to year of ownership. Always had my eye on one as it's just the next step up after the GT86 and 2.0 turbos.
Never owned a V6 before, out of all the modern sports JDM cars which is practically:
Nissan GTR - too expensive
Honda NSX - too expensive
Lexus LCF - too new,expensive and not many tuning companies are interested
Edit:
Toyota A90 Supra - regardless of version they are too expensive still sadly but wouldn't mind one
Lexus RCF - not many tuning companies are interested
Nissan 370z - the last Z to be sold in UK since the 400z isn't coming out in UK and still reasonably affordable to maintain compared to the cars above and lot of tuning options
Honda civic type r fk8 - much prefer the FK8 over the fk2,don't fancy another hatchback at this moment, reasonably affordable to maintain and lot of tuning option
Toyota GRYaris - too new but lot of tuning options to come
Subaru Impreza WRX STI - no interest in saloon and the engine is old tech that hasn't improved since the first gen
Toyota/Subaru GT86/BRZ - affordable and lot of tuning options
Toyota GR86 - lot of tuning options in future and it looks promising but too new and will probably have the new speed limiter
Mazda MX-5 -affordable and not many tuning options for the skyactiv engine. Gf isn't interested in me owning one sadly.
Suzuki Swift sport - too small

*sad chu-chu noises*

Old turbo Chu Chu noises will be missed.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Honda NSX - too expensive

But worth it! Love that car. Miss it.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Mitubishi 3000GT loved these, probably rare now