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Y'know, if you could get a 1TB QLC SSD for like $50, then I could see myself picking some up.

Problem is that a 1TB Samsung 870 QVO (QLC) costs more than a 1TB Crucial MX500 (TLC, and my favorite SATA SSD).
Honestly it was just an impulse buy to have a drive for the purpose I mentioned. I have 2 500GB 850 EVOs in RAID0 that have never let me down and I bought a 500GB 970 EVO plus as my latest boot drive that is perfect for an OS drive. I didn’t really shop around. I just bought a 2TB Gen4 Corsair MP600 Core for games it’s not the fastest either(4700/3500) but again for a game drive it’s fine.
 
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Honestly it was just an impulse buy to have a drive for the purpose I mentioned. I have 2 500GB 850 EVOs in RAID0 that have never let me down and I bought a 500GB 970 EVO plus as my latest boot drive that is perfect for an OS drive. I didn’t really shop around. I just bought a 2TB Gen4 Corsair MP600 Core for games it’s not the fastest either(4700/3500) but again for a game drive it’s fine.
Oh don't worry, I've made plenty of impulse SSD buys; mostly PNY CS900s which are pretty mediocre but they get the job done. If you need a drive, get whatever you can.

I thought about getting a gen4 drive when shopping for my SN750, but there would've been extra cost (~$180 for a 1TB SN850) and I'd have to wait for shipping (I picked the SN750 up at a local store). Plus, I really think SSDs have reached the point of diminishing returns. Sure, 7GB/s sounds awesome, but how much difference will there be in real-world use over 3.4GB/s?
 

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Oh don't worry, I've made plenty of impulse SSD buys; mostly PNY CS900s which are pretty mediocre but they get the job done. If you need a drive, get whatever you can.

I thought about getting a gen4 drive when shopping for my SN750, but there would've been extra cost (~$180 for a 1TB SN850) and I'd have to wait for shipping (I picked the SN750 up at a local store). Plus, I really think SSDs have reached the point of diminishing returns. Sure, 7GB/s sounds awesome, but how much difference will there be in real-world use over 3.4GB/s?
Actually the Corsair replaced my 1TB SN750 so I had to find it a new home
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mostly PNY CS900s which are pretty mediocre but they get the job done.
PNY CS900 is junk in my experience. It went down the toilet quickly. IIRC, it silently corrupted Windows 10 and became slow. Feels more like a piece-of-paper when picked up. Can't hold a candle to a lot of earlier PNY CS-series. Caused SFC to report corrupted files and that it couldn't repair some. My first and only CS900, got taken out real fast!

I would trust a Samsung QLC SSD more than the CS900 SSD that I had!
 

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LOVE AC stuff my last CPU block was AC and I used 2 of their GPU blocks back in the for 2 X1900XTXs in Xfire I actually kinda want that now I could totally run that just off my return connection and even possibly hook it to my MoBos own 2 pin temp sensor I'm already using one for my cases ambient air temps
 
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is there a vent inside??

omg - total love
The Icybox site is a bit sketchy right now and it used a thermal pad between the drive and the top so I can't disassemble to really look but it did come with it's own screwdriver which kinda cute. It's quite a large chunk of aluminum as a whole it's really quite hefty
 
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My latest purchase for my Z390/i9-9900K upgrade over xmas.

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My bigass rant on the SSD discussion and samsung becoming 'over-rated' recently


I think the problem is that samsung had a generation or three where even the budget models were top-tier, and everyone expected that in every series.

850 had Evo and pro.
850 Pro was MLC (2 bit, 10 year warranty) while the evo was 3 bit (5 year)
That made it pretty simple to people: want longer warranty? Pro is for you
The Evo was a step up from previous gens, while the pro basically maxed out SATA III.

860 PRO, EVO and QVO are good examples with the QVO coming in a lot later and a reduced 3 year warranty
PRO? lifespan of the dinosaurs. EVO? for everyone. QVO? for those who want a lot of storage, but at the cost of lower lifespan if you write lots.
Unless you missed that QVO had that catch of reduced lifespan and warranty before buying, it was the only way to get bulk SSD storage cheap (and still is, really)

And honestly, who isn't impressed at how goddamn SMALL the QVO drives were inside?
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Skip on to NVME and the 900 series got weird over time. This is when the pricings went weird, and the samsung name got diluted


The 960 evo was 48 layer TLC

the 970 Evo was 64 layer TLC

The 970 PRO (released before the 970 evo plus) remained a top tier, solid entry at least. Just... pricey. very pricey.
Being 64 layer MLC and not TLC, not shockingly it dominated a lot of other drives with longevity and certain use cases.

And then later came the 970 evo plus, which sounded like a premium, FASTER variant went in one huge jump to 96 layer TLC.
The problem is, that in many ways this new "plus" model was in fact a budget, slower replacement. That pissed a lot of people off.
The evo plus felt more like a QVO model, pretending to be an EVO.

Then the 980 series came along

980 Pro: 128 layer TLC, PCI-E 4.0.
Anandtech covers it well:
The first pro series to drop to TLC
In many ways, this drive could have easily been labeled the 980 EVO as a replacement for the 970 EVO Plus. Along with switching to TLC NAND, Samsung has cut the write endurance ratings in half to 0.3 DWPD and dropped the usable capacities down to the typical TLC/EVO levels of 250/500/1000 GB instead of 256/512/1024 GB. TLC means the 980 PRO now relies on SLC caching for its peak write speeds, and write performance will drop substantially if the SLC cache is ever filled. However, Samsung has offset this by configuring the 980 PRO to use substantially larger SLC cache sizes than their previous EVO drives, and this is what will give it the Pro name more than anything else


Samsung 980: Not EVO or QVO? just plain 980? 128 layer TLC, PCI-E 3.0, half the reads of the 980 pro instead of similar peak performance in previous generations.
Andandtech again covers the problem in one sentence
The SSD 980 is an entry-level NVMe SSD, using TLC NAND with a DRAMless controller. This makes it a new class of product for Samsung in the retail market, one it has never produced before. This kind of drive, with TLC and without DRAM, is already prevalent in the market from other turn-key solution vendors, and this type of drive has been quite popular with OEMs: it allows them to advertise a NVMe SSD without paying the cost of a high-end drive.


TL;DR: Go back and read, a-hole. :(
Samsung adjusted their names so the PRO drive should have been an evo, and the nameless 980 should have been a QVO.
Samsung used to have clear, simple distinctions between the tiers (MLC, TLC, warranty/lifespan) that is now out the window. Samsung never had entry level consumer drives, but now they do... with the names and prices of older premium models.

When the 980 pro comes off slower than the 970 pro in real world heavy use, samsung failed.
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the QVO is the chips at the bottom of the box you cant reach
sounds a bit like the micro ssd cards i got from china. i got them checked for heart and kidneys and was able to prove fraud.
I got all my money back
 
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LOVE AC stuff my last CPU block was AC and I used 2 of their GPU blocks back in the for 2 X1900XTXs in Xfire I actually kinda want that now I could totally run that just off my return connection and even possibly hook it to my MoBos own 2 pin temp sensor I'm already using one for my cases ambient air temps

It actually has an extra connection for a AC flow sensor, or you can connect it to the motherboards power on pins, for shutoff in an emergency over temp or flow sensor zero. i paid a little extra for the one with the external USB lead as it has the IR sensor on it for the AC remote, but will probably stick it inside then control it with the remote/aquasuite
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I got lazy and found a 2 pin temp sensor that came with a different mobo and hooked it up to my x570 board, and used blutack to stick it to one of my loops fittings

YAY WATER TEMP SENSOR
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I got lazy and found a 2 pin temp sensor that came with a different mobo and hooked it up to my x570 board, and used blutack to stick it to one of my loops fittings

YAY WATER TEMP SENSOR
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Same I got 3 2 pin temp sensors from my last ASUS Z97 Sabertooth I never really used I just have one hanging off my 4 pin wire basically "mid case" so I know my case ambient temp. I have one more header on this one that you may have just given me an idea for it
 

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Same I got 3 2 pin temp sensors from my last ASUS Z97 Sabertooth I never really used I just have one hanging off my 4 pin wire basically "mid case" so I know my case ambient temp. I have one more header on this one that you may have just given me an idea for it
If i find a gap, i may slot another one into the fins of the intake or exhaust rads. Be kinda interesting to know water temp vs exhaust air temp.
 
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Who else can say they have 3 batteries on their phone?
- iPhone 7 inbuilt battery
- iPhone 7 Smart Battery Case (also compatible with iPhone 6, iPhone 6S, iPhone 7, iPhone 8, and iPhone SE 2)
- ChargeWorx 4000 mAh battery pack
Once I replace the battery in my 7 I'll get at least 2 days of life.
 
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If i find a gap, i may slot another one into the fins of the intake or exhaust rads. Be kinda interesting to know water temp vs exhaust air temp.
Sidequestion:

You guys are much more experienced in this topic; is there a way to install an external temperature sensor and power it via SATA so I can implement another one in my BIOS?
i think the latter will hardly be possible... what does the expert think?

 
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Sidequestion:

You guys are much more experienced in this topic; is there a way to install an external temperature sensor and power it via SATA so I can implement another one in my BIOS?
i think the latter will hardly be possible... what does the expert think?


What would you be wanting the sensor to monitor? I can't see there been any hop of adding the sensors feed into the bios display
 

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Well one of my Evo 850s just friggin croaked on me. Took out my only windows install. Annoying. So this time I went Crucial MX500. Also had to get a storage nvme for a buddy of mine:
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Funny that I just chucked a Crucial MX500 500 GB SATA SSD, because it was about to croak, according to SMART. They seem to have a problem with very limited amount of writes, where even Windows updates can cause them to fail. While, I found a 1 TB Samsung 850 Evo SATA SSD, which Samsung Magician, IIRC, gave a warning about 850 Evos requiring a firmware update and offering the firmware, so I had the firmware flashed to the 1 TB 850 Evo. The 1 TB 850 Evo was from a Haswell system.

And I didn't start using my Crucial MX500 until January 3, 2020 and then by fall, CrystalDiskInfo kept reporting the life percentage, plunging! By sometime in the first-quarter of 2021, it was down to only 82 percent!
 

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Dam. And I only got maybe a year out of the evo850. Fortunately I'm only going to run windows on it, so who cares.....
 
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