Windows 11 General Discussion

[lexluthermiester]

Is 11 so different from 10?

In important ways, yes.

 

[theFOoL]

Why doesn't M$ upon installation let us Pick what we'd like and just forget about the Home/Pro Edition

 

[Mussels]

Welp, that didn't take long... wiped drive and back to 10. 11 broke Windscribe's VPN, and a host of other networking issues with Samba and plain ole peer to peer broken. I didn't feel like putting in the hours to find and fix.

that was a short term known bug, with a known fix ya goof

 

[plastiscɧ]

Why doesn't M$ upon installation let us Pick what we'd like and just forget about the Home/Pro Edition

cus they sell the PRO vers. for more bucks....

AND the home has got an account compulsion

 

[theFOoL]

So far I like Testing the DeV Channel on this SD Card thanks to Rufus and UUP Dump site. An on my 775 build

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[theFOoL]

Windows-Defender Preview [For now it's a MainUI Look] but you still have to through the Original Defender settings

LINK

 

[windwhirl]

"Microsoft Defender will require a Microsoft 365 Family or Personal subscription."

LOL, end of the free Windows-bundled antivirus era?

 

[lexluthermiester]

"Microsoft Defender will require a Microsoft 365 Family or Personal subscription."

LOL, end of the free Windows-bundled antivirus era?

Yes please!

 

[plastiscɧ]

Yes please!

ÄÄÄÄND i am in the same boat with u mate.

can't await this glorious moment....

 

[lexluthermiester]

ÄÄÄÄND i am in the same boat with u mate.

can't await this glorious moment....

It would be very nice to not have to make like pulling teeth to get Defender removed.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

cus they sell the PRO vers. for more bucks....

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AND the home has got an account compulsion

I bought a retail win 7 key for £10 and used it to activate win 11 pro, win win for me

"Microsoft Defender will require a Microsoft 365 Family or Personal subscription." well that will be the removal of defender for me then.

I actually bought the key in 2017 home premium and it still worked.

 

[plastiscɧ]

It would be very nice to not have to make like pulling teeth to get Defender removed.

this! and not to be called to have "rusty nails in the head" doing this. like they did to me in my thread ive published

I bought a retail win 7 key for £10 and used it to activate win 11 pro, win win for me

thats offcially possible YES

 

[windwhirl]

It would be very nice to not have to make like pulling teeth to get Defender removed.

To be honest, I'm not sure how to feel about it. Microsoft has made a somewhat decent antivirus software, UX annoyances aside. And let's face it, a lot of people would likely let the machine get infected by whatever malware is more popular at the time if Defender didn't exist.

And those machines are the ones that bother me because they are busy DDOSing something that I want to use or whatever.

 

[plastiscɧ]

To be honest, I'm not sure how to feel about it. Microsoft has made a somewhat decent antivirus software, UX annoyances aside. And let's face it, a lot of people would likely let the machine get infected by whatever malware is more popular at the time if Defender didn't exist.

And those machines are the ones that bother me because they are busy DDOSing something that I want to use or whatever.

maybe some kind of market distortion to payment services...?

drive mercedes. U will never have to go to the gasstation anymore...

 

[Mussels]

"Microsoft Defender will require a Microsoft 365 Family or Personal subscription."

LOL, end of the free Windows-bundled antivirus era?

thats for covering phones and shit, regular defender will stay free

Think parental controls, website blocking etc

 

[Solaris17]

thats for covering phones and shit, regular defender will stay free

Think parental controls, website blocking etc

thanks for the needed clarification. As mentioned by @windwhirl imo defender was a fantastic edition to windows regardless of if you personally use it. Its much more capable in recent iterations and I can only imagine the amount of virus, and other nasty shit it has stopped on your aunts PC or otherwise over the years.

 

[plastiscɧ]

thats for covering phones and shit, regular defender will stay free

Think parental controls, website blocking etc

i am unsure about that..

thanks for the needed clarification. As mentioned by @windwhirl imo defender was a fantastic edition to windows regardless of if you personally use it. Its much more capable in recent iterations and I can only imagine the amount of virus, and other nasty shit it has stopped on your aunts PC or otherwise over the years.

my mother is over 60 yrs. and i told her about viruses in the web on certain sites and inside various programs. I ! personally took care about her protections etc.
Aunts have younger relatives as well. If not thats a good reason to visit her..

for me this the real horror.
let us see how this thing develops.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/microsoft-365/mde-terms-windows?view=o365-worldwide

 

[windwhirl]

i am unsure about that..

Well, this is interesting. It wouldn't be a problem in my case, I already have the subscription for Office anyway. Though I'm unsure about most other people.

my mother is over 60 yrs.

Your mother is your mother. Doesn't necessarily apply to the rest of the planet.

 

[plastiscɧ]

Well, this is interesting. It wouldn't be a problem in my case, I already have the subscription for Office anyway. Though I'm unsure about most other people.


Your mother is your mother. Doesn't necessarily apply to the rest of the planet.

by that i mean that you can help the older people a little bit - like they did with us when we needed help. and aunts have children too.

i am of the opinion that i can't just leave it running in the certainty that the operating system will take care of it if the worst comes to the worst.

I can be more precise if you like;

in germany, it is partly the case that you are not insured in the event of damage, data loss, etc., if you do not maintain a separate anti-virus program. here, no liability insurance takes part.
windows Defender offers basic protection. It does not have a secure area for online banking, does not close security holes in programs, does not protect against identity theft and fraud and does not find loopholes in the home network. Support for problems is also absent.

As long as your computer has not been infected by a virus, it is well protected. Many computer users share this attitude. Some users who have not yet fallen victim to cybercriminal activities find Windows Defender to be completely sufficient.

Windows Defender - good virus protection, strong system brake.

imho

 

[Metroid]

"Microsoft Defender will require a Microsoft 365 Family or Personal subscription."

LOL, end of the free Windows-bundled antivirus era?

If that is true then thankgod for that. As soon as microsoft disabled the option to turn off windows defender, then you know it was bad.

 

[Mussels]

If that is true then thankgod for that. As soon as microsoft disabled the option to turn off windows defender, then you know it was bad.

It's because they got hit with legal action over pirated XP being used to spread malware - i cant find the source for it after all this time, but someone.. EU? tried to force them to 'fix' the issue

They brought in fixes in XP SP2, but found... pirates didnt update
Windows updates added more. Pirates didnt update.
Fixes were integrated into Vista. Almost everyone didnt update

By the time 7 came around, it'd been 5+ years and a lot of people were scared to update and catch the vista virus, leaving them open to the real malware
(that era had a HUGE swarm of worms out there. I remember getting hit over 1.5Mb ADSL, and it spreading over network shares to my entire network in ~5 minutes of dialling up, over writing every .exe file in network shared folders)

And then over like a decade, those systems STILL didnt get updated. Still spreading the same malware.
Microsoft: Most PCs running pirated Windows in China have security issues

The only solution was one people still bitch about to this day: mandatory security updates, with a built in antivirus

MS knows that if they drop the ball now, they'll get told they did it deliberately and get their asses handed to them so they HAVE to deliver a good, free antivirus which is an ongoing expense, so adding in optional fluff at a profit sounds exactly like how a corporation would respond that that cost.

 

[plastiscɧ]

It's because they got hit with legal action over pirated XP being used to spread malware - i cant find the source for it after all this time, but someone.. EU? tried to force them to 'fix' the issue

They brought in fixes in XP SP2, but found... pirates didnt update
Windows updates added more. Pirates didnt update.
Fixes were integrated into Vista. Almost everyone didnt update

By the time 7 came around, it'd been 5+ years and a lot of people were scared to update and catch the vista virus, leaving them open to the real malware
(that era had a HUGE swarm of worms out there. I remember getting hit over 1.5Mb ADSL, and it spreading over network shares to my entire network in ~5 minutes of dialling up, over writing every .exe file in network shared folders)

And then over like a decade, those systems STILL didnt get updated. Still spreading the same malware.
Microsoft: Most PCs running pirated Windows in China have security issues

The only solution was one people still bitch about to this day: mandatory security updates, with a built in antivirus

MS knows that if they drop the ball now, they'll get told they did it deliberately and get their asses handed to them so they HAVE to deliver a good, free antivirus which is an ongoing expense, so adding in optional fluff at a profit sounds exactly like how a corporation would respond that that cost.

certainly very well argued!
but on the part of microsoft also homemade because windows 10 was the first operating system that the company released as far as possible, for all and everyone, and has also provided appropriate updates for all and everyone free of charge.
all other operating systems, if you wanted to upgrade, you had to buy for expensive money and has not "just thrown behind". there were also never monthly security updates from which the old operating systems have benefited.
the firewall has been around since win XP, if i remember correctly, and has brought a great security aspect, because a firewall was a novelty and never THE TOPIC at the time.
I personally have installed external antivirus programs over 20 years ago and can not remember ever seen my PC infected and this could not have led to a solution.
i.e. i never had viruses or worms when i didn't want to.
and we used to handle russian "small stuff" to try out various things.

but someone.. EU

It will not have been the EU, because in the 2000s the Lisbon Constitution was not yet legally binding. Only in 2009, the EU became unified in justice, agriculture and home affairs.

 

[windwhirl]

The only solution was one people still bitch about to this day: mandatory security updates, with a built in antivirus

Reality is, because of a bunch of people that either didn't want updates or were simply ignorant of them, now everyone gets updates forced down their throats.

Same story with AV software. People are careless so, hey, here, have Defender. And no, if you wanna shut it down you'll have to jump through hoops and loops.

MS knows that if they drop the ball now, they'll get told they did it deliberately and get their asses handed to them so they HAVE to deliver a good, free antivirus which is an ongoing expense, so adding in optional fluff at a profit sounds exactly like how a corporation would respond that that cost.

Even so, I think they already have part of that cost covered through Enterprise 365 licensing (includes defender with Advanced Threat Protection or something like that)

 

[lexluthermiester]

My argument on the removal of Defender is simple, I replace it with something that is, IMPO, better.

 

[windwhirl]

My argument on the removal of Defender is simple, I replace it with something that is, IMPO, better.

I've done the same and I'm happy with ESET, but Defender actually turns off the moment you install another AV, so no changes in that regard compared to current behavior