AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Priced at $450, Mid-April Launch Pricing of Other New Chips Surface

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well I can confirm that my 5900X DEMOLISHES watching YouTube

Well I am always busy, YouTube as well will do though.

 

[ModEl4]

Be real, mentioning 720p gaming in the same breath as a 5700X and 12700K is oblivious to reality in fact you go 720p a lot, not much take-up in the real world where 1080p wins 1440p comes second!.


It's a re alignment is all, they are more competitive , that's all.

I think this 5800X3d Cache is interesting ,I just don't game more than I work so I am still tempted by a 5900X

I mentioned that anyone who is buying a $450 CPU is arguably gaming at higher resolutions, 4K or QHD and probably less 1080p (for the majority of that crowd) i only used 720p to indicate that 5800X3D (if it matches 12900K) is going to be better only 2.5% at this academic resolution and essentially without difference at QHD and 4K, so there is no reason for someone that hasn't got an AM4 M/B to go with this solution. Also the same is true for the other model comparisons regarding 720p results, 720p testing it's just an indication, nothing more nothing less, if you disagree regarding the value of this test, ask the reviewer to drop it

 

[mechtech]

You should be comparing 5800X3D to 5800X. The defense is 100$ for 64MB cache and presumably 15% performance increase.

I will compare every/any 8c/16t cpu to each other, in search of the best bang for the $$

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I mentioned that anyone who is buying a $450 CPU is arguably gaming at higher resolutions, 4K or QHD and probably less 1080p (for the majority of that crowd) i only used 720p to indicate that 5800X3D (if it matches 12900K) is going to be better only 2.5% at this academic resolution and essentially without difference at QHD and 4K, so there is no reason for someone that hasn't got an AM4 M/B to go with this solution. Also the same is true for the other model comparisons regarding 720p results, 720p testing it's just an indication, nothing more nothing less, if you disagree regarding the value of this test, ask the reviewer to drop it

So in summary any new CPU is probably within a skim of its rival at resolutions people use!.

And better is still best ,no.

You spent a paragraph and a half to downplay the value of AMDS offering while you know in the context of typically used and purchased stuff it wouldn't matter much.

The 5800X3D is a KS in red ,no more, some must have it others will be grounded by their wallets in all reality and comparisons mean naught without third party reviews.

 

[Makaveli]

The article says :
"AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, the company's ambitious new 8-core/16-thread Socket AM4 processor that claims to match the Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake" in gaming performance"
So i7-12700KF is just -2.5% slower at 720p vs 12900K (with even smaller difference in above resolutions, which i think is the target audience that will buy a $450 CPU) but will be at least +20% in multithreading apps like Cinenench and cost $400, so it has the same CPU+M/B price and is a new platform, so 5800X3D is DOA for consumers not already owning a AM4 M/B.
The same goes for $299 5700X vs 12600KF (5700X will be slower in both 720p gaming and multithreading apps like Cinenench). On the contrary 5600 at $199 is a good deal and competitive with 12400F if you take account the M/B cost.
Regarding 5500, probably is going to be competitive with 12100F in Cinenench but lose in 720p gaming (especially if it is Cezanne based - 5600X is nearly 16% faster vs 5600G and 5500 will be lower clocked and with disabled SMT while on the other hand 12100F is only -10% slower vs 12400F in 720p worst case scenario) so at -$40 vs 5600 doesn't look so good vs 12100F (-$70 vs 12400F)
4600G is interesting for those that want light IGP gaming (since logically it will have at least 4400G IGP specs 1.9GHz 7CUs)
4500 is uninteresting, it will be like a 10400F (127€ at Mindfactory) , maybe a little bit better at multithreading but slower in gaming and especially uninteresting the quad core 4400 since 10105F (79€ at Mindfactory) will have same multithreading but will be faster in gaming. In the previous leak there was also a quad core/thread athlon gold 4100GE which also is interesting for the target audience if the price is right (certainly not at $69)

As soon as you started talking about 720p gaming I stopped reading the rest. This isn't a steam deck nobody is gaming at 720p on a i7-12700KF,12900K or 5800X

5800x is cheaper than 5700x - do not hope that they just raise current model prices

You have to compare MSRP vs MSRP not vs current sales pricing.

 

[Blue4130]

You have to compare MSRP vs MSRP not vs current sales pricing.

? I think it's more appropriate to compare what you actually need to pay on the street than some random number.

 

[Makaveli]

? I think it's more appropriate to compare what you actually need to pay on the street than some random number.

ok fair enough then we actually need to see street pricing when its out no?

 

[ModEl4]

So in summary any new CPU is probably within a skim of its rival at resolutions people use!.

And better is still best ,no.

You spent a paragraph and a half to downplay the value of AMDS offering while you know in the context of typically used and purchased stuff it wouldn't matter much.

The 5800X3D is a KS in red ,no more, some must have it others will be grounded by their wallets in all reality and comparisons mean naught without third party reviews.

I'm not downplay the value of AMD CPUs since i said that 5600, 4600G and 4100GE if the expected prices are true are going to he interesting choices, i questioned the competitiveness of 4 of the upcoming models to those that want to build a new system. Imo AMD for those 4 models could have gone lower, and although QHD and 4K is the choice for 5800X3D, for €79 10105F buyers the resolution is 1080p today (after 2-3 years and depending on accompanied VGA they may be forced to 720p gaming, and also i don't see the majority of €79 buyers upgrading after 2-3 years!) Anyway for half the models I think AMD could have gone with better pricing but also it depends of the stock situation, i don't have a clue regarding stock, so probably these prices are more than enough to generate the right amount of volume for the stock situation.

 

[Kovoet]

No word on that, but there's no architecture change, so making a BIOS update for it should be easy. I'd expect it to be supported on 400-500 series boards once a BIOS update drops.

Might be interested then but will wait patiently

 

[Makaveli]

i questioned the competitiveness of 4 of the upcoming models to those that want to build a new system.

Most people are not doing new builds in AM4 everyone is going ADL for new builds. Those on AM4 these will appeal to and there are some others that are holding off for AM5.

 

[mama]

I'll say it again, a great time to be upgrading a CPU - options, options, options!

 

[Minus Infinity]

I'll say it again, a great time to be upgrading a CPU - options, options, options!

It'll be even greater within 6 months. I've just done a 5800X upgrade on one PC, but my other is a 1700X and that will most likely get replaced by Zen 4 or Raptor Lake. Cannot wait to see what options we have by Q4.

 

[RedBear]

About 720p not being realistic, I wonder if people noticed that TPU still uses that resolution in its test, apparently because of demand. Just saying.

 

[Makaveli]

About 720p not being realistic, I wonder if people noticed that TPU still uses that resolution in its test, apparently because of demand. Just saying.

That's because its relevant when showing benchmark data when comparing CPU's so it makes sense they would add it. However outside in the real world how many people you know gaming at 720p?

And I'm referring to desktop computers not laptops!

 

[Blue4130]

ok fair enough then we actually need to see street pricing when its out no?

Yes. That has and always will be my stance. Value is always tied to the actual price you pay/have paid.

 

[Selaya]

About 720p not being realistic, I wonder if people noticed that TPU still uses that resolution in its test, apparently because of demand. Just saying.

Our 720p tests hence serve as synthetic tests in that they are not real world

 

[RedBear]

That's because its relevant when showing benchmark data when comparing CPU's so it makes sense they would add it. However outside in the real world how many people you know gaming at 720p?

And I'm referring to desktop computers not laptops!

He (ModEl4) was comparing CPUs and he did mention a synthetic benchmark (Cinebench) as well, so if we take 720p gaming as one particular synthetic test I don't really see the big issue in using this more extreme scenario.

 

[ACE76]

You should be comparing 5800X3D to 5800X. The defense is 100$ for 64MB cache and presumably 15% performance increase.

The 5800x3d will put AMD on par with the 12900k without the need of a new chipset or DDR5. It's a great option for those who don't want to upgrade to AM5 end of the year and it'll slot into current motherboards.

 

[btarunr]

According to the source you've given the R5 5500 comes with 6c12t not 6c6t

Fixed, thanks!

 

[Cheeseball]

Fixed, thanks!

Yeah if the Ryzen 5 5500 was actually just 6C/6T that would be a really bad choice compared to its Intel counterpart.

 

[Palladium]

5500 vs 4500: I'm definitely not gonna save a paltry $30 to miss out on Zen 3 +33% IPC.

 

[user556]

Also, give Prism w/ the 5700X or riot.

Please no! Leave that exclusively for bargain basement G series only.

 

[watzupken]

I'm not downplay the value of AMD CPUs since i said that 5600, 4600G and 4100GE if the expected prices are true are going to he interesting choices, i questioned the competitiveness of 4 of the upcoming models to those that want to build a new system. Imo AMD for those 4 models could have gone lower, and although QHD and 4K is the choice for 5800X3D, for €79 10105F buyers the resolution is 1080p today (after 2-3 years and depending on accompanied VGA they may be forced to 720p gaming, and also i don't see the majority of €79 buyers upgrading after 2-3 years!) Anyway for half the models I think AMD could have gone with better pricing but also it depends of the stock situation, i don't have a clue regarding stock, so probably these prices are more than enough to generate the right amount of volume for the stock situation.

What you mentioned about 10105F users forced to 720p after a couple of years don’t make sense to me. As you lower gaming resolution, you are actually making the CPU work harder because the bottleneck is on the CPU, and no more on the GPU. So if your CPU is already a bottleneck @ 1080p, then dropping it to 720p is unlikely to give you any meaningful improvement in gaming performance.
CPU pricing wise, I am in agreement with you that it should go lower. However, if we consider the full cost of the system, you can pair a R7 5700X with a budget bin motherboard, and it will run perfectly fine. Conversely if you want to run say an i7 12700 at full potential, then budget bin motherboard may limit performance. There are reviews of ”cheap” Intel B660 boards but runs very badly. So if you are looking at cost, then do consider the full build cost and not just the CPU cost in silo. In addition, I feel AMD’s hands are tied when it comes to pricing since they don’t manufacture their own chips like Intel.

 

[hs4]

In the Zen4 generation, CPU prices will rise further, DDR5 prices will be still high, and Mobo will be somewhat more expensive due to tight global demand. Zen4 will lack products in the entry-mainstream segment for a while. Zen is designed specifically to increase the number of cores for EPYC, and it appears that reducing the number of cores will not reduce costs. I cannot imagine 4-core Zen4 will be in the future lineup of AMD.

It is likely that they intend to use the previous generation, which has finished depreciating, and use Zen4 for high-end and Zen3 with 6-8 cores for mainstream. However, it seems unlikely that the Ryzen 5600 will be able to compete against the i5-13400 that comes next.

 

[ModEl4]

What you mentioned about 10105F users forced to 720p after a couple of years don’t make sense to me. As you lower gaming resolution, you are actually making the CPU work harder because the bottleneck is on the CPU, and no more on the GPU. So if your CPU is already a bottleneck @ 1080p, then dropping it to 720p is unlikely to give you any meaningful improvement in gaming performance.
CPU pricing wise, I am in agreement with you that it should go lower. However, if we consider the full cost of the system, you can pair a R7 5700X with a budget bin motherboard, and it will run perfectly fine. Conversely if you want to run say an i7 12700 at full potential, then budget bin motherboard may limit performance. There are reviews of ”cheap” Intel B660 boards but runs very badly. So if you are looking at cost, then do consider the full build cost and not just the CPU cost in silo. In addition, I feel AMD’s hands are tied when it comes to pricing since they don’t manufacture their own chips like Intel.

My point regarding 10105F was that someone who buys a 79€ CPU today probably (the majority) will not have a GPU that can do QHD but 1080p today and that after 2-3 years depending on the GPU they may be forced to game at 720p, so at that time, the 720p CPU performance will not be anymore academic...
Also regarding AMD's cost, the same was true in Ryzen 1000/2000/3000 era which AMD had much more competitive pricing, then (1000/2000) it had GF and TSMC (3000) now it has only TSMC and the cost difference if you check speculated woofers cost is nearly irrelevant for the kind of margins that we are talking.