MSI Radeon RX 6950 XT Gaming X Trio

[kapone32]

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When you point is the truth, evidence is only one google search away.

Ok I am going to spell that one out to you. A 3080 gives 100 mh/s while a 6800xt gives about 64 mhs/ while BITCOIN was as high as 50000 US. How many of those 50+ farms that people were proud to post on social media did NOT have 30 series cards? Please do not think that RT is the mitigating factor in Nvidia's sales of GPUs in 2021. The way you wax romantic on your fanboy love of "the promise" of RT right now is disturbing. As I have said Physx was great in Arkham. Where is it now?

 

[zx128k]

Hey! You are WRONG! There are TWO full RTX games already launched! Minecraft RT and Quake II RTX, the most important gaming titles ever! This changes EVERYTHING! RT DOMINATES THE GAMING INDUSTRY!

(/s, in case it wasn't obvious)

The funny thing is, that article, despite having the title "1 Massive Reason Nvidia's Tearing Growth Will Continue" doesn't actually argue for this beyond "Nvidia has lots of cash". And while having the cash to buy components and wafers is obviously crucial, it alone cannot be said to be enough to hold on to marketshare. If RX 7000 cards outperform RTX 4000 cards, and supply and prices are good, it is entirely possible for AMD to gain marketshare on Nvidia, and that article doesn't provide a single compelling argument against this. I wasn't expecting more from an investment advice site, but man, that is some thin reasoning right there.

Whats being stated is that nvidia does control the gpu market and AMD's raster performance has made little pergress in gaining market share. When the gpu shorage was bad the 6900xt sat on the shelves, no one was buying then. They were waiting for nvidia cards and were willing to pay over the odds for a nvidia card. This lead to videos, there is one gpu in stock but why is no one buying. People were buying more expensive 3090 cards and the 6900xt was cheaper.

In steam hardware survey (this kills off mining arguments) its mostly nvidia 3000 cards gamers got with very little uptake in AMD 6000 series cards. In mining the 3000 series is faster. Both gamers and miner wanted 3000 series cards. no one want the 6900xt so it sat in stock on shelves for ages. Always in stock at one point.

 

[kapone32]

Whats being stated is that nvidia does control the gpu market and AMD's raster performance has made little pergress in gaining market share. When the gpu shorage was bad the 6900xt sat on the shelves, no one was buying then. They were waiting for nvidia cards and were willing to pay over the odds for a nvidia card. This lead to videos, there is one gpu in stock but why is no one buying. People were buying more expensive 3090 cards and the 6900xt was cheaper.

In steam hardware survey (this kills off mining arguments) its mostly nvidia 3000 cards gamers got with very little uptake in AMD 6000 series cards. In mining the 3000 series is faster. Both gamers and miner wanted 3000 series cards. no one want the 6900xt so it sat in stock on shelves for ages. Always in stock at one point.

The only reason the 6900XT does not sell today is that it was 50% more expensive for 10% bump in a reference 6800XT. Using Youtube (Which in a lot of cases is nothing but opinion) is not a Good example. It doesn't matter what you think though because AMD is making money from it's GPU department regardless of what Classical Technology thinks. In fact if you watch more of his videos he also states that people are returning cards that drop 20% in price in the 7 days since they bought them. You don't understand the pickle that retailers are under because of the Supply demand quandry mitigated by Crypto in 2021 especially. BTW I have a 3060 based laptop on Steam too and guess what? In 2021 a 3060 based 10th series or 5000 series Gaming laptop was the least expensive entry point for Gamers at around $11-1300 US when GPUs like the ones you praise were easily 11-1500 US. Some of us do have common sense.

 

[Valantar]

Whats being stated is that nvidia does control the gpu market and AMD's raster performance has made little pergress in gaining market share. When the gpu shorage was bad the 6900xt sat on the shelves, no one was buying then. They were waiting for nvidia cards and were willing to pay over the odds for a nvidia card. This lead to videos, there is one gpu in stock but why is no one buying. People were buying more expensive 3090 cards and the 6900xt was cheaper.

In steam hardware survey (this kills off mining arguments) its mostly nvidia 3000 cards gamers got with very little uptake in AMD 6000 series cards. In mining the 3000 series is faster. Both gamers and miner wanted 3000 series cards. no one want the 6900xt so it sat in stock on shelves for ages. Always in stock at one point.

All that proves is that most people don't have $1000-2000 to spend on a GPU. AMD GPUs at sensible prices were just as sold out as Nvidia GPUs at the same prices. More expensive Nvidia GPUs also sold out due to a mix of factors: GPU market mindshare leading them to have a wider customer base (and thus more customers willing and able to pay that much), better mining performance (a group very willing to pay tons for GPUs as long as they are fast), and to some extent CUDA support for pro applications, making them more widely adopted in the high-priced prosumer GPU market.

 

[zx128k]

All that proves is that most people don't have $1000-2000 to spend on a GPU. AMD GPUs at sensible prices were just as sold out as Nvidia GPUs at the same prices. More expensive Nvidia GPUs also sold out due to a mix of factors: GPU market mindshare leading them to have a wider customer base (and thus more customers willing and able to pay that much), better mining performance (a group very willing to pay tons for GPUs as long as they are fast), and to some extent CUDA support for pro applications, making them more widely adopted in the high-priced prosumer GPU market.

Yet I posted they did have much more money to buy a 3090. At one point there were more 3090's on steam hardware survey than all amd 6000 series cards. NVidia controls the gpu market, sources already posted.

Again the steam hardware survey news reports.

Looking at the overall share split between NVIDIA and AMD GPUs, the Ampere GeForce RTX 30 series sits at roughly 93.4% while RDNA 2 Radeon RX 6000 series sits at 6.6%.
This is a split of 14:1 which means that out of 14 gamers, only one is using an AMD Radeon RX 6000 series graphics card on Steam. Comparing the full Linux share, the Ampere family now amounts to 9.6% of the share & AMD's RDNA 2 family accounts for 0.68% (including mobile and desktop variants). source

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 outsells all AMD RX 6000 GPUs – is AMD in trouble?

If the 3090, when its was massively over priced. Outsold all the AMD RX 6000 series cards. How can that prove that most people can't have $1000-2000 to spend on a 6900xt gpu. When they were spending much higher for a 3090.

• MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X, located in France, NIB, current bid at roughly US$3,010 with 4 days left
• ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 ROG Strix OC, located in the US, NIB, latest bid is US$3,300.00 and there are 9 hours left
• ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 ROG Strix OC (White edition), located in the US, NIB, currently at US$3,550 with more than 2 days left until the end of the auction

The examples above should be enough to help you get a better idea about the pricing war currently affecting the market. Even previous-generation video cards are now insanely priced, with many pre-owned NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Super video cards going above US$700.

This is my last post, I dont want to be banned.

 

[kapone32]

Yet I posted they did have much more money to buy a 3090. At one point there were more 3090's on steam hardware survey than all amd 6000 series cards. NVidia controls the gpu market, sources already posted.

Again the steam hardware survey news reports.

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 outsells all AMD RX 6000 GPUs – is AMD in trouble?

If the 3090, when its was massively over priced. Outsold all the AMD RX 6000 series cards. How can that prove that most people can't have $1000-2000 to spend on a 6900xt gpu. When they were spending much higher for a 3090.


This is my last post, I dont want to be banned.

A 3090 actually beats the Vega 7 in Mining. That is one reason the other is people like you that are the reason Nvidia is where it is and gets away with the things they do and you blindly follow them.

 

[Valantar]

Yet I posted they did have much more money to buy a 3090. At one point there were more 3090's on steam hardware survey than all amd 6000 series cards. NVidia controls the gpu market, sources already posted.

Did you miss the part of the post you were responding to where I already addressed that point? It's literally more than half of the text you quoted. It is in no way surprising, and you're trying to make it into an argument for something that it isn't.

 

[ratirt]

guys a lost cause is a lost cause. Now the conversation has shifted to NV sells more GPUs this it is better since they have more market share. That is clearly madness how people think these days. Good that they think but sill.
and just to chip in about mining. NV failed to disclose how much mining hardware have been sold to the mining customers and rigs. Wonder why? Well, most of the GPU sold were for mining and since NV needed to soften the blow from community, you have a crippled LHR products. Still failed to disclose the information. I mean, if that is not telling something to a customer, than I don't know what will. Lost cause is a lost cause guys. our @zx128k friend is that cause.

BTW. Do you think it will be possible to get a 6950XT bios to a 6900XT? These cards are relatively the same. I could use a memory boost to 18Gbps. That would have been nice.

 

[W1zzard]

Do you think it will be possible to get a 6950XT bios to a 6900XT? These cards are relatively the same. I could use a memory boost to 18Gbps. That would have been nice.

Your memory chips probably can't handle that high a default clock

 

[ratirt]

Your memory chips probably can't handle that high a default clock

Why would you say that? it is still the same memory. Are you talking about the quality difference? We know, I guess, that the 6900Xt's were kind of locked with power limits and memory so that you couldn't go higher. With the new bios these are removed and thus higher clocks at least I get it that way or maybe it is just my wishful thinking.

 

[W1zzard]

Why would you say that? it is still the same memory. Are you talking about the quality difference? We know, I guess, that the 6900Xt's were kind of locked with power limits and memory so that you couldn't go higher. With the new bios these are removed and thus higher clocks at least I get it that way or maybe it is just my wishful thinking.

Samsung HC16 vs HC18. Might still be worth a try, any volunteers?

 

[ratirt]

Samsung HC16 vs HC18. Might still be worth a try, any volunteers?

Oh. so there is a difference in the chips. Well, if somebody would want to try I'd be grateful

 

[zx128k]

guys a lost cause is a lost cause. Now the conversation has shifted to NV sells more GPUs this it is better since they have more market share. That is clearly madness how people think these days. Good that they think but sill.
and just to chip in about mining. NV failed to disclose how much mining hardware have been sold to the mining customers and rigs. Wonder why? Well, most of the GPU sold were for mining and since NV needed to soften the blow from community, you have a crippled LHR products. Still failed to disclose the information. I mean, if that is not telling something to a customer, than I don't know what will. Lost cause is a lost cause guys. our @zx128k friend is that cause.

BTW. Do you think it will be possible to get a 6950XT bios to a 6900XT? These cards are relatively the same. I could use a memory boost to 18Gbps. That would have been nice.

Do you know how bad that post looks like. With that admin posting afterwards replying to you, you look like bullies and trolls with admin support. You sound nasty, bigoted and prejudiced against nvidia. Your point was totally destroyed with the 14:1 gamer data. For every one AMD 6000 series card 14 NVidia cards are bought by gamers. I would ask to stop harassing me and ask the admin to punish you under the rules but we both know that wont happen. Every forum a sea of amd trolls and no mod banning you when you troll. Here to protect AMD. You just cant get how bad you look and way thats a win for me. I am arguing bias and you are proving it.

Sure flash your card and brick your board.

 

[Valantar]

Do you know how bad that post looks like. With that admin posting afterwards replying to you, you look like bullies and trolls with admin support. You sound nasty, bigoted and prejudiced against nvidia. Your point was totally destroyed with the 14:1 gamer data. For every one AMD 6000 series card 14 NVidia cards are bought by gamers. I would ask to stop harassing me and ask the admin to punish you under the rules but we both know that wont happen. Every forum a sea of amd trolls.

Man, it must really suck to feel this attacked just because people are arguing against what is ultimately hollow and poorly formulated arguments. I mean, you keep shifting the goalposts every single time someone contradicts your claims - including whatever relevance relative sales data between RT-enabled AMD and Nvidia GPUs has as to how RT adoption is going. Both sides of that data promotes RT adoption, after all. You would need some kind of comparison against the current install base of non-RT enabled GPUs. When both sides' GPUs are RT-enabled, it doesn't make much of a difference who of them has the advantage in terms of the speed of RT adoption. Nor does this change the fact that the vast majority of GPUs currently in use don't support RT, and the vast majority of games - even of high budget, high profile ones - still don't have notable RT support. And that's even a year and a half after both mainstream consoles adopted RT! If there's anything that historically has proven to be a driver of feature adoption in gaming, it's consoles, and still RT adoption is quite slow.

None of this is attacking you. None of this is bullying you. We are saying that your claims are wrong, your arguments are wrong, and your mode of argumentation - not responding directly to counterarguments, shifting the goalposts, bringing up ever new types of dubiously relevan (or just irrelevant) data or arguments - is doing you no good in convincing anyone. From an informed point of view, you are professing a belief that does not align with reality, and you are failing at presenting compelling arguments for how and why it might be said to align with reality.

 

[zx128k]

Man, it must really suck to feel this attacked just because people are arguing against what is ultimately hollow and poorly formulated arguments. I mean, you keep shifting the goalposts every single time someone contradicts your claims - including whatever relevance relative sales data between RT-enabled AMD and Nvidia GPUs has as to how RT adoption is going. Both sides of that data promotes RT adoption, after all. You would need some kind of comparison against the current install base of non-RT enabled GPUs. When both sides' GPUs are RT-enabled, it doesn't make much of a difference who of them has the advantage in terms of the speed of RT adoption. Nor does this change the fact that the vast majority of GPUs currently in use don't support RT, and the vast majority of games - even of high budget, high profile ones - still don't have notable RT support. And that's even a year and a half after both mainstream consoles adopted RT! If there's anything that historically has proven to be a driver of feature adoption in gaming, it's consoles, and still RT adoption is quite slow.

None of this is attacking you. None of this is bullying you. We are saying that your claims are wrong, your arguments are wrong, and your mode of argumentation - not responding directly to counterarguments, shifting the goalposts, bringing up ever new types of dubiously relevan (or just irrelevant) data or arguments - is doing you no good in convincing anyone. From an informed point of view, you are professing a belief that does not align with reality, and you are failing at presenting compelling arguments for how and why it might be said to align with reality.

Dude its plain as day what you are up too. You are trolls. Your arguments are non sense designed to attack your victim. You're not even good at it, you helped me destroy your creditability and your cant even see it. My crime was asking for unbiased tests. Its always been the norm to test new features and maximum settings in games. DXR is part of DX12u and thus a normal part of testing DX12 games. Ignoring DXR in games that support it and having tests without it for top AMD cards makes them looks faster than they would otherwise be. This point cannot be attacked or argued away because its true.

So as soon as I stated this you attacked me because if changes were to happen, you could see the damage it would likely do to AMD performance numbers. You all clearly hate nvidia and support AMD. You all have systems with AMD cpus and amd gpus. You are trolling, stop.

 

[kapone32]

Dude its plain as day what you are up too. You are trolls. Your arguments are non sense designed to attack your victim. You're not even good at it, you helped me destroy your creditability and your cant even see it.

I got it you are Jensen Huang. Otherwise it would be senseless to be so blindly ardent on your position. Perhaps maybe you spent more money than you ever thought putting your current machine together and as a result feel that the components that you selected are the cat's meow and you want to tell the world. The best though is your reference of trolling and being banned just because "we" disagree with your position. You even had the nerve to warn me to change my account because you felt that I was following you in the FSR 2.0 thread. I guess I am the new member. You are not that important.

Do you even know who Kreskin was? I guess I will spell that out for you. There used to be a late night show Called Johnny Carson that had a guy that would predict what was in the envelope in his hand, That is exactly how you sounded when you made the baseless claim that Intel's FSR/DLSS clone will be faster than AMD's and rival Nvidia's.

It took AMD 10 years to make a new GPU after they acquired ATI. That was why NVIDIA went ahead. The last ATI card became the 7970, 280, 290 basically and by the time NVIDIA release it's 10 series they were faster but Polaris but AMD back on the map. People have been caught up on that until RDNA proved that AMD could be just as fast as NVIDIA but then as I said "Gaming" became rasterization all over Youtube and your beloved DXR is a part of DX12 which is a part of Vulkan which is what AMD gave to Microsoft for DX12 API.

Now we have people like you that believe that Ray Tracing is the future. So was Multi GPU and as I said before there are more Games that support SLI than RTX Ray Tracing. I have also referenced PhysX. Do you even know what that really was?

I don't expect you to respond directly to any of my points not because I read it somewhere but from the experience of dealing with your sentiment.

 

[Valantar]

Dude its plain as day what you are up too. You are trolls. Your arguments are non sense designed to attack your victim.

If the arguments are nonsense, why are you not managing to refute them? Why are your "counterarguments" either not relevant to your initial argument, or just absent entirely? How is anyone attacking you, besides criticizing you for arguing in an incoherent and problematic way, and refusing to engage in civil debate? Resorting to claims of being attacked just because people don't accept your arguments does not make you a victim.

You're not even good at it, you helped me destroy your creditability and your cant even see it.

Cool. Examples and arguments to that effect, if you please.

My crime was asking for unbiased tests.

Have you asked for "unbiased tests"? You asked for RT benchmarks to be merged into the overall benchmark suite. Keeping these two separate is not a bias, it is a methodological choice to improve the clarity of findings through keeping different data separate. That is not bias, that is prioritizing clarity and usability in your results.

Its always been the norm to test new features and maximum settings in games. DXR is part of DX12u and thus a normal part of testing DX12 games. Ignoring DXR in games that support it and having tests without it for top AMD cards makes them looks faster than they would otherwise be. This point cannot be attacked or argued away because its true.

... but nobody is ignoring DXR. There is a whole separate test suite explicitly designed to test it. It's right there in the benchmark results. It is being tested.

You could always complain that the test suite should include more RT games, which would be resasonable to some extent - but to keep the review workload somewhat manageable, a test suite needs to be stable for some time (nobody has unlimited time, manpower or resources). The TPU test suite was AFAIK last updated in March last year. Will the next update, whenever that arrives, have more RT-enabled games? Probably. Does that make the current test suite bad? No. It still gives a good overview of RT and raster performance both, within what is reasonable to expect from someone doing hardware reviews on a relatively limited budget. Heck, even filthy rich outfits like LTT doesn't test that many RT titles.

So as soon as I stated this you attacked me because if changes were to happen, you could see the damage it would likely do to AMD performance numbers.

Lol, this is a literal, explicit example of you projecting your own prejudices and biases onto the writings of others. We have argued extensively for why integrating RT and raster benchmarks into a single suite would be a bad idea. You have given no substantial counterarguments beyond repeating, time and time again, "RT is the norm, RT is dominant". None of those arguments have related to the competitive situation between Nvidia and AMD whatsoever, but to the general applicability and utility of the benchmark suite as such. If you disagree with that, present an argument against that. Please stop projecting stuff onto others - it's a really, really bad habit.

You are not making factual statements about current reality, you are at best speculating about a possible future reality, as RT is not currently dominant or the norm by any reasonable measure, whether in published games or games in development. It is rising in adoption and popularity, but that is something completely different than being dominant or the norm. And, as with all predictions of the future, you might be wrong. Who knows? All we can know is what current reality looks like. And that reality is not one where RT has overtaken rasterized graphics in gaming.

 

[zx128k]

I got it you are Jensen Huang. Otherwise it would be senseless to be so blindly ardent on your position. Perhaps maybe you spent more money than you ever thought putting your current machine together and as a result feel that the components that you selected are the cat's meow and you want to tell the world. The best though is your reference of trolling and being banned just because "we" disagree with your position. You even had the nerve to warn me to change my account because you felt that I was following you in the FSR 2.0 thread. I guess I am the new member. You are not that important.

Do you even know who Kreskin was? I guess I will spell that out for you. There used to be a late night show Called Johnny Carson that had a guy that would predict what was in the envelope in his hand, That is exactly how you sounded when you made the baseless claim that Intel's FSR/DLSS clone will be faster than AMD's and rival Nvidia's.

It took AMD 10 years to make a new GPU after they acquired ATI. That was why NVIDIA went ahead. The last ATI card became the 7970, 280, 290 basically and by the time NVIDIA release it's 10 series they were faster but Polaris but AMD back on the map. People have been caught up on that until RDNA proved that AMD could be just as fast as NVIDIA but then as I said "Gaming" became rasterization all over Youtube and your beloved DXR is a part of DX12 which is a part of Vulkan which is what AMD gave to Microsoft for DX12 API.

Now we have people like you that believe that Ray Tracing is the future. So was Multi GPU and as I said before there are more Games that support SLI than RTX Ray Tracing. I have also referenced PhysX. Do you even know what that really was?

I don't expect you to respond directly to any of my points not because I read it somewhere but from the experience of dealing with your sentiment.

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD AMD 5950X
GPU: MSI 6800XT Gaming Trio X

Valantar​

zx128k said:


Dude its plain as day what you are up too. You are trolls. Your arguments are non sense designed to attack your victim.

If the arguments are nonsense, why are you not managing to refute them? Why are your "counterarguments" either not relevant to your initial argument, or just absent entirely? How is anyone attacking you, besides criticizing you for arguing in an incoherent and problematic way, and refusing to engage in civil debate? Resorting to claims of being attacked just because people don't accept your arguments does not make you a victim.

zx128k said:


You're not even good at it, you helped me destroy your creditability and your cant even see it.

Cool. Examples and arguments to that effect, if you please.

zx128k said:


My crime was asking for unbiased tests.

Have you asked for "unbiased tests"? You asked for RT benchmarks to be merged into the overall benchmark suite. Keeping these two separate is not a bias, it is a methodological choice to improve the clarity of findings through keeping different data separate. That is not bias, that is prioritizing clarity and usability in your results.

zx128k said:


Its always been the norm to test new features and maximum settings in games. DXR is part of DX12u and thus a normal part of testing DX12 games. Ignoring DXR in games that support it and having tests without it for top AMD cards makes them looks faster than they would otherwise be. This point cannot be attacked or argued away because its true.

... but nobody is ignoring DXR. There is a whole separate test suite explicitly designed to test it. It's right there in the benchmark results. It is being tested.

You could always complain that the test suite should include more RT games, which would be resasonable to some extent - but to keep the review workload somewhat manageable, a test suite needs to be stable for some time (nobody has unlimited time, manpower or resources). The TPU test suite was AFAIK last updated in March last year. Will the next update, whenever that arrives, have more RT-enabled games? Probably. Does that make the current test suite bad? No. It still gives a good overview of RT and raster performance both, within what is reasonable to expect from someone doing hardware reviews on a relatively limited budget. Heck, even filthy rich outfits like LTT doesn't test that many RT titles.

zx128k said:


So as soon as I stated this you attacked me because if changes were to happen, you could see the damage it would likely do to AMD performance numbers.

Lol, this is a literal, explicit example of you projecting your own prejudices and biases onto the writings of others. We have argued extensively for why integrating RT and raster benchmarks into a single suite would be a bad idea. You have given no substantial counterarguments beyond repeating, time and time again, "RT is the norm, RT is dominant". None of those arguments have related to the competitive situation between Nvidia and AMD whatsoever, but to the general applicability and utility of the benchmark suite as such. If you disagree with that, present an argument against that. Please stop projecting stuff onto others - it's a really, really bad habit.

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
GPU: PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UV@950mV/2050MHz/180W

I am not play along with this non sense trolling, leave me alone.

 

[ratirt]

Dude its plain as day what you are up too. You are trolls. Your arguments are non sense designed to attack your victim. You're not even good at it, you helped me destroy your creditability and your cant even see it. My crime was asking for unbiased tests. Its always been the norm to test new features and maximum settings in games. DXR is part of DX12u and thus a normal part of testing DX12 games. Ignoring DXR in games that support it and having tests without it for top AMD cards makes them looks faster than they would otherwise be. This point cannot be attacked or argued away because its true.

So as soon as I stated this you attacked me because if changes were to happen, you could see the damage it would likely do to AMD performance numbers.

All you have destroyed is your reputation here. Being aggressive with no backup of what you have posted. your arguments are irrelevant to the topic at best but mostly are false and indicative of your trouble comprehending or reading information given to you either here by a member or announcements in media about topic that are being discussed here. Arrogance and name calling to prove you are right is not the way to go. You can either change your narrative and listen to what is being said or you can literally go back to your UNIVERSE where you wont be perceived as a troll and a troublemaker who's only goal is to mislead an look for a feud.

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD AMD 5950X
GPU: MSI 6800XT Gaming Trio X

Valantar​

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
GPU: PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UV@950mV/2050MHz/180W

I am not play along with this non sense trolling, leave me alone.

That explains everything

 

[zx128k]

All you have destroyed is your reputation here. Being aggressive with no backup of what you have posted. your arguments are irrelevant to the topic at best but mostly are false and indicative of your trouble comprehending or reading information given to you either here by a member or announcements in media about topic that are being discussed here. Arrogance and name calling to prove you are right is not the way to go. You can either change your narrative and listen to what is being said or you can literally go back to your UNIVERSE where you wont be perceived as a troll and a troublemaker who's only goal is to mislead an look for a feud.

No one is fooled by this non sense. Your goal is clear as day. A bit of debate is normal but your not here for debate.

 

[Valantar]

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD AMD 5950X
GPU: MSI 6800XT Gaming Trio X

Valantar​

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
GPU: PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UV@950mV/2050MHz/180W

I am not play along with this non sense trolling, leave me alone.

Ah, yes, because owning a product is the same as swearing eternal allegiance to some faceless corporation only out to squeeze money out of us. Of course. So obvious!

By your own logic, then, are you a pure-bred Nvidia fan with zero ability to debate this rationally? Because given your Nvidia GPU, it's either that, or the standard you're holding others to is BS invented to avoid having to present actual argument, and instead claim some nonsense victimhood. Pick one.

 

[zx128k]

Ah, yes, because owning a product is the same as swearing eternal allegiance to some faceless corporation only out to squeeze money out of us. Of course. So obvious!

By your own logic, then, are you a pure-bred Nvidia fan with zero ability to debate this rationally? Because given your Nvidia GPU, it's either that, or the standard you're holding others to is BS invented to avoid having to present actual argument, and instead claim some nonsense victimhood. Pick one.

No ones fooled by this, your goal is to shut down me from making any statement that could harm AMD's performance numbers or am allowed to give feelback to the review. You dont want unbiased benchmarking were DXR is treated as normal or the games tested favours no company. When Ray Tracing games is 11 of the 25 games you test. Its a normal feature. When both companies support it there is no reason to not treat it as normal. If most of the games are known to be better performing in raster on one manufactures hardware that not good. This is what you are here to protect. I am not playing along. Last post for today, I have left my feedback, you can break the forum rules on your own.

 

[kapone32]

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD AMD 5950X
GPU: MSI 6800XT Gaming Trio X

Valantar​

Has system specs:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
GPU: PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UV@950mV/2050MHz/180W

I am not play along with this non sense trolling, leave me alone.

One of the beauties of TPU is that the community is more than enough to smell and call out disinformation (a 2020 word for lies). That is why your responses have no substance but to accuse of bias. That is like a lion calling a lynx a cat. At least you are consistent. If you are not careful you may get banned. I can't say that though I am just a member not a moderator.

You see a typical user would hear the arguments that people refuting the claim would make and then make a clear response to the direct issue. Even Youtube has an example of that. Hardware Unboxed (I am sure you know them) would do GPU tests with SAM disabled but highlight DLSS. The rationale was most users did not know how to enable SAM. That no longer happens because the community called them out. You came onto a thread that is focusing on a review of a GPU from AMD and moaned about Ray Tracing not being represented fairly for NVIDIA. One of the things that really upsets AMD users like myself are people like you who do not have the experience of using AMD products but love to wax negative on how bad the experience is. Yes I love my 6800XT it is as fast as 2 Vega 64s in full Crossfire support at 1/3 the power draw. BTW FSR 1.0 is great in Godfall, does that make me a Fan boy? Or are your actions the definition of Fan boy. I could also put my 3060 laptop in my specs but there is room for only one PC.

 

[Valantar]

No ones fooled by this, your goal is to shut down me from making any statement that could harm AMD's performance numbers or am allowed to give feelback to the review. You dont want unbiased benchmarking were DXR is treated as normal or the games tested favours no company.

It's fascinating how you apparently know my intentions and thoughts better than I do myself. Almost as if ... oh, I don't know, you might be projecting inventions of your own imagination onto me, rather than listening to what I'm actually saying?

In all honesty: this is not a healthy approach to life. It will make you suspicious and untrusting of people around you, which is a surefire path to alienation, depression and anxiety. Seriously, please take a step back and try to consider what is most likely: that a bunch of people here are employing some sort of 4D chess-like subtextual trolling through arguing against you with on-topic, impersonal arguments where our actual intention is to belittle you and force our heavily biased view of the world onto others ; or that we just disagree with you and are arguing against you as one might do on a discussion forum. Occam's razor is a highly useful tool.

When Ray Tracing games is 11 of the 25 games you test. Its a normal feature.

Yes, and it is also tested. It isn't tested in all of those games, but ... not all features are tested in all games. There isn't time for that - that's why you make a best attempt at a representative selection. There are 9 games in the RT test suite. Is that too little for you? Is that a woefully unrepresentative veiew compared to the 11 you're mentioning?

When both companies support it there is no reason to not treat it as normal.

But it isn't treated as that. It's treated as a meaningfully distinct mode of rendering that is therefore separated out into its own test suite so that it is tested and taken into consideration, but doesn't pollute the dataset of the general performance testing which then by default becomes a rasterization test suite. As rasterization is still dominant, that gets the most focus, but RT is still tested in 9 games across three resolutions. What more do you want?

If most of the games are known to be better performing in raster on one manufactures hardware that not good.

But they aren't. At least not to my knowledge. Feel free to provide data suggesting otherwise. And if so, feel free to provide suggestions for the next revision of @W1zzard's GPU test suite, as I'm sure work on that is already started to some extent.

This is what you are here to protect.

The integrity of the test suite? I guess, in a way. I'm not interested in TPU's GPU reviews becoming a jumbled mess that mix rendering modes together in a way that will make the overall performance metrics far less useful.

I am not playing along. Last post for today, I have left my feedback, you can break the forum rules on your own.

Wait, is someone breaking forum rules? Where? How?

 

[zx128k]

It's fascinating how you apparently know my intentions and thoughts better than I do myself. Almost as if ... oh, I don't know, you might be projecting inventions of your own imagination onto me, rather than listening to what I'm actually saying?

In all honesty: this is not a healthy approach to life. It will make you suspicious and untrusting of people around you, which is a surefire path to alienation, depression and anxiety. Seriously, please take a step back and try to consider what is most likely: that a bunch of people here are employing some sort of 4D chess-like subtextual trolling through arguing against you with on-topic, impersonal arguments where our actual intention is to belittle you and force our heavily biased view of the world onto others ; or that we just disagree with you and are arguing against you as one might do on a discussion forum. Occam's razor is a highly useful tool.

Yes, and it is also tested. It isn't tested in all of those games, but ... not all features are tested in all games. There isn't time for that - that's why you make a best attempt at a representative selection. There are 9 games in the RT test suite. Is that too little for you? Is that a woefully unrepresentative veiew compared to the 11 you're mentioning?

But it isn't treated as that. It's treated as a meaningfully distinct mode of rendering that is therefore separated out into its own test suite so that it is tested and taken into consideration, but doesn't pollute the dataset of the general performance testing which then by default becomes a rasterization test suite. As rasterization is still dominant, that gets the most focus, but RT is still tested in 9 games across three resolutions. What more do you want?

But they aren't. At least not to my knowledge. Feel free to provide data suggesting otherwise. And if so, feel free to provide suggestions for the next revision of @W1zzard's GPU test suite, as I'm sure work on that is already started to some extent.

The integrity of the test suite? I guess, in a way. I'm not interested in TPU's GPU reviews becoming a jumbled mess that mix rendering modes together in a way that will make the overall performance metrics far less useful.

Wait, is someone breaking forum rules? Where? How?

and if that does not break the forum rules nothing will. What a bang out of order post. At some point they have the stop flaming/trolling I would guess. Just quoting this reply, not responding.