When will gpu prices return to normal.

[ARF]

That seems absurd and based on some weird obscure benchmark or application

It is in your best interest to be true..

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That seems absurd and based on some weird obscure benchmark or application

Although I'm not a huge fan of rumors either the performance leaks for a 4090ti has consistently been rumored to be 2x the 3090 the problem is the rumored price is 2000+ usd so it really should be compared to a 3090ti I'm guessing these projections are at 4k with RT enabled.

Also the fire sale will begin when Nvidia shows graphs telling it's fanboys how great the 40 series is over the 30 series not from actual benchmarks.....

 

[ARF]

the performance leaks for a 4090ti has consistently been rumored to be 2x the 3090

and the expected power targets of 600-watts+ are quite telling, also

 

[Bomby569]

and the expected power targets of 600-watts+ are quite telling, also

and 5 slot cards with 4 fans

 

[oxrufiioxo]

and 5 slot cards with 4 fans

4 slots fo sho

 

[R0H1T]

and 5 slot cards with 4 fans

So good for roulette then?

 

[ARF]

They all should be under water and single-slot

 

[R0H1T]

Yes & should also cost less than $500

 

[ARF]

Yes & should also cost less than $500

No, I think $849.99 is fair enough

 

[80-watt Hamster]

The GPU price slide may have hit something of a plateau. EVGA's B-Stock page today has a slew of cards, but they're asking dumb money (IMO) for them. $600 for a refurb 1080 ti? That's only $100 under what it launched at. Most of the other cards on the list are near, at or above launch price. Which may sound encouraging, but these are refurbs of cards that are as much as five years old now. A used 970 on eBay US is still going to cost you at least a hundred bones. RX 580s seem to be stuck at a $180-ish price floor. I dunno; just not feeling very optimistic today.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yep many evga b-stock only one year warranty for stupid prices.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Hi,
Yep many evga b-stock only one year warranty for stupid prices.

Seems like where we should be is more like $200 for a 1070, maybe $400 for 1080 ti. At the top end. Maybe in six months.

 

[Bomby569]

Seems like where we should be is more like $200 for a 1070, maybe $400 for 1080 ti. At the top end. Maybe in six months.

1080ti is over 5 years, a few months from becoming 3 generations ago. Almost on par with the 3060, it will be most probably a 4050 competitor. It should be way cheaper then that.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

1080ti is over 5 years, a few months from becoming 3 generations ago. Almost on par with the 3060, it will be most probably a 4050 competitor. It should be way cheaper then that.

Yeah, with a 200 dollar baseline for a 2070, something in the realm of 300 would make more sense. Maybe even less.

 

[cvaldes]

RX 580s seem to be stuck at a $180-ish price floor. I dunno; just not feeling very optimistic today.

Don't worry. Prices will continue to fluctuate.

I bought a brand new RX 580 for $180 in fall 2020. I also bought a new RX 550 for $65 around the same time.

That said, inflation has skyrocketed.

No one will ever pay 2019 prices for equivalent GPUs in 2022 or 2023.

All of those morons saying "I won't buy another graphics card until prices come back to 2019 levels" will never EVER buy another graphics card again.

 

[PapaTaipei]

Maybe some of us could get together to buy a whole batch of gpu's... Then supply the community ourselves.

I'm sure we would get support from literally everyone.

This looks like the smartest thing to do, in France we have a website called groupon where you could organize that.

 

[Metroid]

September 2022 to all the way to September 2024, you will find gpus at msrp without any issue, will be even lot cheaper than msrp second hand.

 

[budget_Optiplex]

Anecdotal data, but i watch ebay GPUs under $100 every day for fun. I have noticed that decent lower-end used older GPUs are finally becoming reasonable again. 2GB GTX 750 Ti's that were $100-$150 a few months ago are now $60-$100, and 2GB GTX 950s that were $140+ a few months ago are now $70-$100. Also plenty of older AMD 2GB HD 7800 series cards and 2GB R9 cards for less then $100 too. 4GB RX550s are finally showing up for less then $100 as well. Hopefully these will continue to come down in price as they should!

Still expensive for old cards, but way more affordable now for sure. I can't get over what GTX 1030/1050 cards are selling for though.

 

[PapaTaipei]

4080 ti would be 500 euros or less if the market was not a cartel.

 

[Bomby569]

4080 ti would be 500 euros or less if the market was not a cartel.

Now you're going to the other extreme, these are very complex products, and much more complex then in the past, bigger coolers, better power delivery, etc... Accounting for inflation 500€ for the top tier Nvidia card would be way to cheap. And in euros it already includes taxes, so in USD it would be 400$, that makes no sense.

 

[PapaTaipei]

Now you're going to the other extreme, these are very complex products, and much more complex then in the past, bigger coolers, better power delivery, etc... Accounting for inflation 500€ for the top tier Nvidia card would be way to cheap. And in euros it already includes taxes, so in USD it would be 400$, that makes no sense.

What make no sens is the official narrative about how economics work.

 

[ARF]

bigger coolers, better power delivery, etc...

To be honest, I do not think any user has ever asked them to push the TDP through the roof and make the cooling of the cards an extremely challenging adventure.

There is more illogical thinking in the management of AMD than proper pro-user attitude and attention to really what the user needs.

Look at the Radeon RX 6600 - the cheapest model is priced 333 eur. The same performance and price as the old Radeon RX 5700 XT original MSRP in 2019 and RTX 2060 S back in 2019..

This is against progress and does not work for the market.

It is like the development was stopped and there is really nothing interesting happening.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

To be honest, I do not think any user has ever asked them to push the TDP through the roof and make the cooling of the cards an extremely challenging adventure.

There is more illogical thinking in the management of AMD than proper pro-user attitude and attention to really what the user needs.

Look at the Radeon RX 6600 - the cheapest model is priced 333 eur. The same performance and price as the old Radeon RX 5700 XT original MSRP in 2019 and RTX 2060 S back in 2019..

This is against progress and does not work for the market.

It is like the development was stopped and there is really nothing interesting happening.

Anything released post 2020 isn't really comparable to previous gpu launches the majority of cards from the current generations released into a market where msrp were basically meaningless and pretty much everything sold for at least 50% over MSRP with some cards closer to 100% for the majority of their lifespan.

 

[Bitoshi]

4080 ti would be 500 euros or less if the market was not a cartel.

I'm not 100% sure my information is correct, but assuming the 4080 Ti uses cut-down AD102 dies and 20GB of 21 gbps ram it would likely cost more than that just to manufacture.

I've heard the wafer cost alone could be up to $400 (custom TSMC N4 node, plus TSMC increased prices by 20% in 2021). Then add the cost of 20GB of 21 gbps memory (e.g. if it's $10 per GB, that's $200 alone), all the other components, and shipping costs (which have doubled since the pandemic started), etc. Nvidia also needs to recoup R&D costs for the chip and generate revenue for investor which adds to the price. Then AIB's need to add cooling solutions (which need to be beefier and use higher end parts due to insane power consumption) and pay for assembly, testing, packaging, and shipping to vendors. Then the vendor needs room for markup, etc. Record high inflation doesn't help either.

The 4080 Ti would need to sell at over $500 just to break even. I think $800-$1000 would be a fair price, although I'm sure it will be more.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm not 100% sure my information is correct, but assuming the 4080 Ti uses cut-down AD102 dies and 20GB of 21 gbps ram it would likely cost more than that just to manufacture.

I've heard the wafer cost alone could be up to $400 (custom TSMC N4 node, plus TSMC increased prices by 20% in 2021). Then add the cost of 20GB of 21 gbps memory (e.g. if it's $10 per GB, that's $200 alone), all the other components, and shipping costs (which have doubled since the pandemic started), etc. Nvidia also needs to recoup R&D costs for the chip and generate revenue for investor which adds to the price. Then AIB's need to add cooling solutions (which need to be beefier and use higher end parts due to insane power consumption) and pay for assembly, testing, packaging, and shipping to vendors. Then the vendor needs room for markup, etc. Record high inflation doesn't help either.

The 4080 Ti would need to sell at over $500 just to break even. I think $800-$1000 would be a fair price, although I'm sure it will be more.

I think pricing will probably be similar to ampere $2000 for the 4090ti, $1500 for the 4090, $800 for the 4080, $600 for the 4070........ The slight bump to the lower tier covers the increase cost of the N4 node. I'm not sure we will get the ridiculous product segmentation we got with Ampere where from the 3080 to the 3090ti there are 5 cards all offering miniscule bumps from each other. Nvidia has always been pretty predictable minus Turing on pricing but N4 sound substantially more expensive than Samsung 8nm so who knows.

I think AMD going with what sounds like a chiplet based design should make their products cheaper to manufacture I doubt that will be passed on to the consumer and they will likely just match price tier for tier with Nvidia for example if the 7900XT beats the 4090ti at everything it will be priced identical if it loses at RT it will be cheaper etc.