When will gpu prices return to normal.

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

@Valantar
i see you know this stuff, mind you that for my part i didn't mean eliminate the retail, just the Wholesaler / Distributor



there is really no incentive in the long term for Nvidia to give them all their GPU's to miners, they know they will eventually go away, even if crypto was a sucess. Proof of stake and all that.
I also don't see them as more or less greedy then Wholesalers, they diverted large quantities of gpu's to miners, i know this for a fact from a store owner.

Greed , I wasn't arsed with that it's logistics and cost that limits Nvidias world wide shipping and costs.
Why ship to many when you get more cash shipping to few?!.
Stores mostly sorted small scale miner's for the same reason , Nvidia sorted the industrial scale miner's, we got what was left at high prices.


Let the past die already, kill it if you have to.

Because interest rates, technical progress and the future APUs mean it's never going back to normal.

 

[tussinman]

@ARF Feel free to bring up any counterarguments you might have to what is being said here. I'd love to hear them. Those laughing reactions are a rather weak response

Yeah I love how I put in the US the 6600 is cheaper than both the 3060 and 3050, 6600xt is cheaper than the 3060, and the 6700 is signficantly cheaper than 3060ti/3070 and all we get is some childish laughing emoji ?

It's like I'm glad that inflated MSRPs during record inflation is funny ? (my local microcenter has 25+ 3060s in stock because they bought them from nvidia back when they could get $400+ for them now there stuck with them. Either sit on the shelves and eat the entire cost or slashes them to where they lose some money but not all of it).

 

[eidairaman1]

It's an easy solution - don't buy from a scalper.

There is 1 on here and none have taken the carrot.

As the market slowly drifts in the general direction of sanity, we still have stuff like this:

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Less than half the performance. Half the VRAM. The mind, it boggles. Some AMD fans may have a bit of a persecution complex, but it's sometimes not hard to understand why.

Full disclosure: You can get a 1650 for around USD200 (or less with rebate) as of this post at Micro Center (where that snip came from), but the economics don't work out even then.

Yup at that rate better off grabbing a 6500XT lol

 

[dragontamer5788]

It's like I'm glad that inflated MSRPs during record inflation is funny ? (my local microcenter has 25+ 3060s in stock because they bought them from nvidia back when they could get $400+ for them now there stuck with them. Either sit on the shelves and eat the entire cost or slashes them to where they lose some money but not all of it).

Standard inventory management issues. If it sits on the shelves too long, expect some sales to kick in.

With Ethereum moving to proof of stake (eventually), along with the sudden decrease in cryptocoin prices, miners have begun to sell off their used GPUs everywhere. I'm seeing lots of stuff hit ebay or Reddit's /r/HardwareSwap right now. (Like people selling 8+ GPUs at a time, suggesting former miners).

I might pickup a cheap used GPU myself. I don't think the cryptocoin market has really crashed as far down as it could go quite yet, so I think I'm willing to wait another couple of weeks to see if it gets worse (and if more used prices come out with even lower prices).

 

[eidairaman1]

I may grab some 6400s/6500s for use as a backup card in uefi systems, i may have to get some older units for csm systems

 

[kapone32]

Greed , I wasn't arsed with that it's logistics and cost that limits Nvidias world wide shipping and costs.
Why ship to many when you get more cash shipping to few?!.
Stores mostly sorted small scale miner's for the same reason , Nvidia sorted the industrial scale miner's, we got what was left at high prices.


Let the past die already, kill it if you have to.

Because interest rates, technical progress and the future APUs mean it's never going back to normal.

This: The most excited thing I am looking forward to is the next APU with RDNA2 Graphics as the 6500XT die size has convinced me that AMD is onto something. I will give some love to Intel as well as their GPU technology is coming along as well.

 

[ARF]

6800xt are bad values right now. 6900xt and 6950xt seem to be available in far higher quantities.

6750xt is almost as good as 6800xt as well, if you're willing to get a slightly inferior card.

The 6750 XT is a disgusting card.

It is already that the flagship RTX 3090 Ti is 70% faster, when by the end of this year we get the new generation, that card will fall to entry-level performance tier.

We expect that the new RTX 4090 will be 100% faster than the old RTX 3090 Ti.
This means that RX 6750 XT will be around 30% of the performance of the RTX 4090.

 

[Lei]

I think it's better you don't buy GPU from official retailers. if you want a GPU, find a good used one or wait for ada.

point is: don't let nVidia make money from it Ampere series anymore (even if they go below msrp). stuck them with their unsold unboxed stock of 30-series.
This way they can't raise msrp for 40-series.

To sum up: don't buy new ampere, get used ampere or wait for ada. we're only going to directly pay to nVidia for ada (so they have to be fair)

 

[Cvrk]

never is the answer.
as an example, I am in a nonexistent country. back in the good days when prices and stocks were "regular" we only got a few cards and prices were 10-15% higher than normal, from what a person in Canada would get.
If the people from hr 1st place countries would have enough than the leftovers would come to us at a high price. the poor will always pay more, never less.

now with this situation, a country like Canada will never ever have enough. There will always be demand. So the leftovers will always be horrible both as price or availability.
It's been 2 years and a half since things went bad. I estimate 1 decade for things to get back to normal for regions like mine....if ever!

 

[ARF]

never is the answer.

There is no such answer. Everything comes to an end, sooner or later. Every balloon will explode, the economic ones also.

The current situation is such because of the ongoing cartel. Once AMD or Nvidia lose competitiveness because of lackluster product lineup, their pricing strategy will naturally start to degrade.

 

[Lei]

even if there's no normal, there's always a minimum.
my psu, hdd, ssd, gpu, keyboard, mobo, webcam, even wifi dongle are all bought second hand. I only pay a good price for my next gpu. I've got my eyes locked on 3090.

There is no such answer. Everything comes to an end, sooner or later. Every balloon will explode, the economic ones also.

The current situation is such because of the ongoing cartel. Once AMD or Nvidia lose competitiveness because of lackluster product lineup, their pricing strategy will naturally start to degrade.

 

[Lei]

My tracking for June 19th. 3DCenter will release their report in few hours.
Taiwan has managed its daily covid cases.
14% of their population got covid but slowing down.

Some used 3090 are sold below 900$. They were watercooled on both sides

That's my post from Feb 16, I said prices will be normal between May to July.
I was joking about June 2024 of course

Here's my prediction based on 3dCenter triweekly report.
100% MSRP at either mid April, late July or early June 2024
If it keeps dropping like the last three weeks, it's April. If it drops like the 8% in 3 weeks, then mid summer. It makes sense, because Lovelace will arrive in Q3~4 this year, so they want to sell Ampere at msrp before the launch:


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3dCenter report for Feb 13 -> News des 12./13. Februar 2022 | 3DCenter.org

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[80-watt Hamster]

So, my personal indicator for "normal" had been when the 60-series cards get to around USD250. But that gets all confusing, because (sticking with Nvidia here), the 960 was a $200 card, the 1060 launched at $300, 1660 for $220, 2060 at $350 (because RTX tax; P/P vs 1660 would have suggested $300), and the 3060 would hypothetically have been $330 if not for crypto/COVID.

On the AMD side, over the same period we had the 380 at $200, the 480/580 for $230, and then a whole lot of nothing until the $280 5600 XT, and then $329 for the 6600. I guess one could include the (ugh) 6500 XT, which can be found below $200 now. That's a pretty serious price gap IMO between "possibly good enough if you accept some sacrifices" to "good enough full stop."

Top-end cards have basically come back to baseline when one takes annual inflation and such into account. I'm not sure what to think about what we used to call midrange, though. USD200 was what I'd considered the threshold, but there appears to be a fairly solid $300 floor for the 6600 and 3050. 3060 is holding fast at $400. All that's a long-winded way of saying I don't know what my magic number should be anymore.

 

[AnotherReader]

So, my personal indicator for "normal" had been when the 60-series cards get to around USD250. But that gets all confusing, because (sticking with Nvidia here), the 960 was a $200 card, the 1060 launched at $300, 1660 for $220, 2060 at $350 (because RTX tax; P/P vs 1660 would have suggested $300), and the 3060 would hypothetically have been $330 if not for crypto/COVID.

On the AMD side, over the same period we had the 380 at $200, the 480/580 for $230, and then a whole lot of nothing until the $280 5600 XT, and then $329 for the 6600. I guess one could include the (ugh) 6500 XT, which can be found below $200 now. That's a pretty serious price gap IMO between "possibly good enough if you accept some sacrifices" to "good enough full stop."

Top-end cards have basically come back to baseline when one takes annual inflation and such into account. I'm not sure what to think about what we used to call midrange, though. USD200 was what I'd considered the threshold, but there appears to be a fairly solid $300 floor for the 6600 and 3050. 3060 is holding fast at $400. All that's a long-winded way of saying I don't know what my magic number should be anymore.

In Canada, some models of the 6600 are available for the equivalent of USD 270 with the 6600 XT starting at USD 309. I think we'll see lower prices as we get closer to the RTX 4000 launch. Hopefully, Bitcoin and Ethereum will stay down.

 

[Lei]

In Canada, some models of the 6600 are available for the equivalent of USD 270 with the 6600 XT starting at USD 309. I think we'll see lower prices as we get closer to the RTX 4000 launch. Hopefully, Bitcoin and Ethereum will stay down.

 

[AnotherReader]

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Let's hope it's a last gasp. The longer-term trend is clear.

 

[64K]

Card prices here in the USA have dropped way down and continue to drop. I still wouldn't recommend buying with the next gen GPUs are so close to release. The next gen GPUs are most likely going to be a huge leap in performance and well worth waiting for.

 

[80251]

Card prices here in the USA have dropped way down and continue to drop. I still wouldn't recommend buying with the next gen GPUs are so close to release. The next gen GPUs are most likely going to be a huge leap in performance and well worth waiting for.

They might be worth waiting for but, if the debacle of the release of the ampere cards is repeated, they will be unobtainable and priced far beyond MSRP.

 

[Lei]

They might be worth waiting for but, if the debacle of the release of the ampere cards is repeated, they will be unobtainable and priced far beyond MSRP.

I guess nVidia will make very few Ada gpus. just to snuggle on the performance throne. forcing you to snatch the Ampere stock even after ada launches.
This time won't be scalpers or miners making cards unavailable, but nVidia would say : we couldn't make more than just a handful of cards. wait for restock & reloaded...

 

[ARF]

I guess nVidia will make very few Ada gpus. just to snuggle on the performance throne. forcing you to snatch the Ampere stock even after ada launches.
This time won't be scalpers or miners making cards unavailable, but nVidia would say : we couldn't make more than just a handful of cards. wait for restock & reloaded...

No one can force you anything - nvidia needs your money, and if it wants to get at least anything, it must return a decent deal. Ampere is not a decent deal

 

[Lei]

No one can force you anything - nvidia needs your money, and if it wants to get at least anything, it must return a decent deal. Ampere is not a decent deal

Nah, used 3090 are at great deal, around 900$.
If nVidia doesn't raise the 4090 msrp from 1499, it can have my money. but if it raises, someone else is going to refund parts of what he paid for an old 3090.

 

[Bomby569]

 

[80-watt Hamster]

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Context, please.

 

[Bomby569]

Context, please.

miners offloading their cards in China.

 

[64K]

miners offloading their cards in China.

I don't recall where I read about some miners dumping their cards through a livestreamed card auction but this may be it.