Intel Arc A380 Desktop GPU Does Worse in Actual Gaming than Synthetic Benchmarks

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Will Techpowerup get a card, do a review and include the results in the database as it should be?

I mean there: Intel Arc A380 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

W1zzard has said that he would like to do a review on this GPU but I think he's having a hard time finding one to buy.

 

[ARF]

W1zzard has said that he would like to do a review on this GPU but I think he's having a hard time finding one to buy.

I guess Raja is shy to send one for a review

 

[ModEl4]

The games chosen and the settings are entirely different with what the TPU testbed gives.
The difference with RTX 3050 is between 1.4X and 2.06X in favour of 3050 (around 1.8X on average)
And in TPU testbed the RTX 3050 is 1.92X vs RX6400...
The 3Dcenter made a forecast that VideoCardz reported also, about ARC potential performance level but i was just slightly more pessimistic but not at the level of what this review suggests with the games and settings chosen.

3Dcenter had A380 at RX6400 level or slightly more (RX6400 is slightly faster than GTX 1650 in their charts in contrast with TPU's where RX6400 is slightly slower than GTX 1650) which doesn't come true in this test at least.
But i am not convinced from these extremely bad results, i will be surprised if in the TPU testbed A380 scores less than 91-90 in the below chart (-12% vs GTX 1650) (which is also bad lol)
We will see.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Synthetic benchmark are just to check the stability of hardware, using it for comparing performance is useless.

 

[ARF]

This information umbrella means only one thing - Intel is scared to release it publicly in order to try to save its reputation - no one would be impressed by such a low-end Intel product.

 

[medi01]

I find the statement misleading.

If anything, it is 3050's syntetic benchmark that is absolutely NOT reflecting its real game performance.

 

[ARF]

Synthetic benchmark are just to check the stability of hardware, using it for comparing performance is useless.

Synthetic benchmarks are very easy to be manipulated since their frames flow is always the same.

Nvidia accused of cheating in 3DMark 03 - GameSpot

 

[bug]

This information umbrella means only one thing - Intel is scared to release it publicly in order to try to save its reputation - no one would be impressed by such a low-end Intel product.

I don't think Intel ever bet its reputation on Arc, so that's not it.
But yes, this level of performance from your top SKU is not what you want on the front pages everywhere. Still, withholding cards from a couple dozen websites does little when people can just go out and buy the cards for themselves.

 

[medi01]

40% more in synthetic but 20% less in realistic

Cough.

 

[ARF]

I don't think Intel ever bet its reputation on Arc, so that's not it.
But yes, this level of performance from your top SKU is not what you want on the front pages everywhere. Still, withholding cards from a couple dozen websites does little when people can just go out and buy the cards for themselves.

I mean that they don't want to be called the producers of mediocre graphics - that would potentially harm their CPU business, too, because the combo Radeon + Ryzen would look much better.

 

[bug]

I mean that they don't want to be called the producers of mediocre graphics - that would potentially harm their CPU business, too, because the combo Radeon + Ryzen would look much better.

They couldn't care less about that. They're not known for GPUs, there's no name to tarnish in that area.
Worst case scenario for Intel, they sign a deal with HP and still sell a few million Arc GPUs.

 

[catulitechup]

This information umbrella means only one thing - Intel is scared to release it publicly in order to try to save its reputation - no one would be impressed by such a low-end Intel product.

And dont want launch at lower prices but if them out with lower prices maybe give users feedback for improve drivers

In my case still have interested because buying intel arc go to hell amd/nvidia and with things like gpu manufacturers could obtain gains around 15.000 million dollar (maybe more than that) with crypto situation

 

[Bomby569]

And yet their dGPU is built / iterated from their IGP Execution Units.

This company is FAR from new to GPU. The reality is they have been 'working on' their graphics solution for decades now, and they always did the least necessary to keep their CPUs in the market. That principle is hurting them now, when they have to show their money's worth.

I mean you can flood the chain with these shitty Arcs but that won't be doing you any good. The main difference for Intel is therefore not just the fact its a discrete product, but the fact its not automagically bundled with a CPU so it has to count for something. Its for that exact reason they start on mobile: customers don't buy their product, they buy a laptop.

For a giant like Intel there aren't any excuses here. They're blundering ahead; still no chiplet CPU. Still no competitive dGPU stack. Still securing stuff for a future we're about to get, but not now, tomorrow! The only optimism I can find with Intel is the fact their big.little idea is actually working out for them, in a limited way. But even with that 'design win' they're still trailing competition on CPU, and the competition can easily incorporate it within its own design win, while Intel can't return the favor just yet.

You don't get optimized igpu drivers, you get drivers. It's a new game, it's not an excuse, it's reality. How long as AMD doing GPU's? they still mess up the drivers.
CPU is another story, we all know the previous management were a disgracee. They were the 1st to get the new EUV machines from ASML. It doesn't make them better at what they do, but they are doing things differently now.

 

[defaultluser]

You could buy anything that exists except for the 6500XT ....

Which is why in-store prices have all dropped 20% since launch day, wile the 3050 is still hard to find at msrp. (not impossible, but only on EVGA's site):

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3551-KR

it's going to be a bit before the 3050 sates all this pent-up mid-range demand. Intel s not helping here!

 

[Octavean]

Well you could always think of it as a collectors item (got catch ‘em alllllll, Pokémon!!!)

Oh Intel, you stepped on your own D!(k again.

 

[Robin Seina]

6500 XT is a disaster you shouldn't buy.

Why? I see that the price for 6500 XT is around 155-190 USD, while RTX 3050 is over 300 USD. GTX1650 begins about same or 10% above 6500XT, with most models over 200USD. And as can be seen on screenshots above in this thread, 6500XT a winner performance/USD category (of roughly same priced cards)

 

[mechtech]

Well it’s cheaper than 6500xt and roughly
Same to a bit better performance so that’s a win. I guess

 

[Robin Seina]

Well it’s cheaper than 6500xt and roughly
Same to a bit better performance so that’s a win. I guess

Does not make since you have not written what you compare 6500XT with.

 

[samum]

Another release from Raja "Mr. Disappointment" Koduri. He can make compute/mining chips, but sucks at gaming applications. Maybe that's what Intel wants.

AMD's CDNA is still based on Raja's GCN/Vega architecture, but RDNA ditching the GCN baggage was a huge boost for gaming.

 

[mechtech]

Does not make since you have not written what you compare 6500XT with.

Ya. I see that post didn’t turn out. Joys of trying to post from a phone.

 

[Mac the Geek]

The important part here is that someone not named AMD or Nvidia has entered the discrete GPU market.

It doesn't really matter just how inferior the card is. Intel (presumably) isn't surprised by the results, and (also presumably) already has a roadmap for improvements.

Intel can afford to restrict the new cards to underserved markets, and can afford to take a revenue hit. The money is a secondary concern at this point; iterating and improving the next generation is what matters.

If W1zzard does manage to get hold of an Arc GPU for testing, I hope that it doesn't get the standard review. I'm most interested in "which older GPU does the A380 most closely compete with?" AMD and Nvidia have both had decades to build their institutional knowledge base; I'm curious to see how many "generations behind" Intel is right now.

Intel's first discrete GPU is out there. That's the starting point. The true tale will be in whether Intel can catch up to the other two in future generations.

 

[chrcoluk]

looks to beat the 1650 performance per $.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Tbh I was hoping for pressure on the 6700/3060Ti segment. This level of performance isn't doing anybody any good.

A review would be nice. One that looks at die size and such, to put things in the proper perspective.

The A380 doesn't compete in that segment, Intel has higher core parts for that (though those may as underwhelming as this low-end one).

Intel A380 - 1024 cores
AMD 6700 - 2560 cores
Nvidia 3060Ti - 4864 cores

This competes in cores with the 1650/super RX6400/6500. And loses.

 

[Dr. Dro]

All this nonsense about Drivers. Intel has almost inexhaustible resources to write proper drivers. They've had years to fix it. Kodouri and his team should be ashamed of this card.
This makes the RX6500 look like screamingly-fast bargain.

Not even inexhaustible resources can conjure high quality graphics drivers out of nowhere. AMD's newest OpenGL venture (as seen by the public on the Windows Insider driver) shows that nobody has perfect software. Add that to the patent minefield Intel likely has to work around, and it'll be some time until their own technology is perfected. I expected no more of this card at launch, it's going to be an entry/basic product, and the top-end Arc will fall in line with the RTX 2060 super/70 at first, maybe end their life cycle around the same performance of TU104 as drivers mature (2080/2080 super).

 

[Ripcord]

Why? I see that the price for 6500 XT is around 155-190 USD, while RTX 3050 is over 300 USD. GTX1650 begins about same or 10% above 6500XT, with most models over 200USD. And as can be seen on screenshots above in this thread, 6500XT a winner performance/USD category (of roughly same priced cards)

Ignore them, they don't have the card and don't know what they are talking about. Simple fact is the rx6500xt has no real competition in its price bracket. its a solid performer. AMD released a good product at a good price