When will gpu prices return to normal.

[Ohnoitzbryan]

I got myself a Sapphire 6900xt Toxic LE a few months ago for like 1500€.
Saw the price drop to MSRP the other day around (1100€).

Could bite myself for this
But tbf i sold my 1080ti for 450€ when prices were still higher.

 

[Lei]

miners offloading their cards in China.

Gamenets do too. They don't want to end up with years-old equipment. Sells better before it's too old

 

[cvaldes]

I don't recall where I read about some miners dumping their cards through a livestreamed card auction but this may be it.

Many PC and gaming news sites have covered this topic. Here are a couple of articles:

Crypto Miners Start Dumping GPUs, RTX 3080s Listed for $523

Finally, the light at the end of the tunnel

www.tomshardware.com

Miners are dumping GPUs via livestreamed auctions

What started as a trickle is becoming a flood.

www.pcgamer.com

but many other sites have reported this.

My guess is if GeForce 40 series cards launch with minimal inventory they will sell out, scalpers will have another heyday and the street price of current 30 series cards will increase (likely above MSRP again) until there is good supply of the 40 series cards.

When the next generation video cards debut I don't expect a substantial MSRP cut on current generation cards because COGS has increased since launch; AMD and Nvidia aren't going to slash gross margin.

 

[AlwaysHope]

I'm seeing some literally insane prices over here in Australia now with new gpu prices. An example is an RX 6800 XT for under AUD 1K, including shipping!
An RX 6900 XT is only a hundred bucks more...

 

[64K]

I'm seeing some literally insane prices over here in Australia now with new gpu prices. An example is an RX 6800 XT for under AUD 1K, including shipping!
An RX 6900 XT is only a hundred bucks more...

Glad to see you Australians getting a break in prices. The price of cards continue to drop here in the USA. The MSI Gaming 3080 has dropped to $805 and will probably drop some more. The MSRP is $700. I don't know if it will drop that low though. It's just a shame that the crypto crash didn't happen 2 years ago. We're looking at the next gen GPUs coming pretty soon so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to buy an Ampere now so late in the cycle.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Glad to see you Australians getting a break in prices. The price of cards continue to drop here in the USA. The MSI Gaming 3080 has dropped to $805 and will probably drop some more. The MSRP is $700. I don't know if it will drop that low though. It's just a shame that the crypto crash didn't happen 2 years ago. We're looking at the next gen GPUs coming pretty soon so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to buy an Ampere now so late in the cycle.

That's hard to say. You're probably right, but there's no way to know how the market's going to react to the new cards. It's hard to believe that launch prices would be less than the current street prices (or launch prices) of their predecessor. Let's say the 4080 drops at an MSRP of USD800, but sells for $1K or $1.1K; maybe the 4080 has better p/p at that price, but I'd personally have a hard time dropping that much extra dough. Of course, I personally wouldn't drop even 800 bones on a card, so my opinion doesn't really count for much.

 

[Bomby569]

Look out, used mining GPUs are turning up with dead memory chips

Second-hand mining GPUs might work fine, but the memory could well be bricked, making for a lame used graphics card.

www.pcgamer.com

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[ARF]

In Germany the RX 6500 XT can be found CHEAPER than an RX 6400

AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Grafikkarte Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

AMD Radeon RX 6400 Grafikkarte Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

 

[80-watt Hamster]

In Germany the RX 6500 XT can be found CHEAPER than an RX 6400

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AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Grafikkarte Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

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AMD Radeon RX 6400 Grafikkarte Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

Huh. Same thing's going on in the US. What is happening here?!?

 

[Vayra86]

Context, please.

There are a lot of graphics cards in this picture.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Glancing over my local Micro Center prices on some models:

6700XT - there is one Powercolor model that's $499 (only $20 over MSRP).
RTX 3060 - cheapest one is $389, all others are $420+. Still upwards of $60+ over MSRP.
6900XT - one is $869 ($130 below MSRP) all others are under MSRP, but closer to $950....one model has 7 open boxes priced starting at $685.96 (6 out of 7 are priced at $685.96 - holy crap, that's a helluva deal)
RTX 3090 - most are still over MSRP (aside from some open box deals) by at least $50-100
RTX 3080 10GB & 12GB - all priced at $1k+ (damn, still way over MSRP)
6800XT - still around $100-150 over MSRP

 

[80-watt Hamster]

There are a lot of graphics cards in this picture.

Yup, there sure are.

 

[64K]

Glancing over my local Micro Center prices on some models:

6700XT - there is one Powercolor model that's $499 (only $20 over MSRP).
RTX 3060 - cheapest one is $389, all others are $420+. Still upwards of $60+ over MSRP.
6900XT - one is $869 ($130 below MSRP) all others are under MSRP, but closer to $950....one model has 7 open boxes priced starting at $685.96 (6 out of 7 are priced at $685.96 - holy crap, that's a helluva deal)
RTX 3090 - most are still over MSRP (aside from some open box deals) by at least $50-100
RTX 3080 10GB & 12GB - all priced at $1k+ (damn, still way over MSRP)
6800XT - still around $100-150 over MSRP

If you don't mind buying from Amazon you can get a MSI Gaming 3080 10 GB for $800. That's still $100 over MSRP but it's a lot better than when the mining craze was going on.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-RTX-3080-LHR-10G/dp/B09FSWGS7L/ref=sr_1_5?crid=34X13DJK63E0S&keywords=rtx+3080&qid=1656097575&sprefix=rtx+3080%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-5

The 12 GB version is $850

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-3080-LHR/dp/B09QKL8XG5/ref=sr_1_7?crid=34X13DJK63E0S&keywords=rtx+3080&qid=1656097676&sprefix=rtx+3080%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-7

 

[skizzo]

Huh. Same thing's going on in the US. What is happening here?!?

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reminds me of this situation.....a 12fl oz bottle of Coke might be $1.49 at the local gas station.....sitting next to a 2 liter bottle for 99cents lmao makes no sense

at least the soda situation could have some explanation....my theory being ppl prefer to buy a single serving while on the go so they hike up the cost of the smaller portion since they know that is what ppl will buy. that's why those bottles are nice and chilled in the coolers (nice!) and the 1 liters are out on the shelves at room temp (who wants warm soda!?)

but that argument cannot apply to a GPU....I cannot think of a scenario where the less powerful, less advanced piece of tech would be more expensive. yet here we are

 

[ARF]

reminds me of this situation.....a 12fl oz bottle of Coke might be $1.49 at the local gas station.....sitting next to a 2 liter bottle for 99cents lmao makes no sense

at least the soda situation could have some explanation....my theory being ppl prefer to buy a single serving while on the go so they hike up the cost of the smaller portion since they know that is what ppl will buy. that's why those bottles are nice and chilled in the coolers (nice!) and the 1 liters are out on the shelves at room temp (who wants warm soda!?)

but that argument cannot apply to a GPU....I cannot think of a scenario where the less powerful, less advanced piece of tech would be more expensive. yet here we are

It is a bug/defect of the "free" market economy caused by one of these or a mix:
1. Significantly better quantities of good RX 6500 XT qualified for retail;
2. Someone doesn't know what they are selling;
3. They don't care about us - want to show us that they define absurd situations;
4. Simple speculation on the RX 6400 price level.

In either case, the lesson is quite visible - for God's sake, don't buy the inferior RX 6400.
The performance difference is 35%:

AMD Radeon RX 6400 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

 

[neatfeatguy]

reminds me of this situation.....a 12fl oz bottle of Coke might be $1.49 at the local gas station.....sitting next to a 2 liter bottle for 99cents lmao makes no sense

at least the soda situation could have some explanation....my theory being ppl prefer to buy a single serving while on the go so they hike up the cost of the smaller portion since they know that is what ppl will buy. that's why those bottles are nice and chilled in the coolers (nice!) and the 1 liters are out on the shelves at room temp (who wants warm soda!?)

but that argument cannot apply to a GPU....I cannot think of a scenario where the less powerful, less advanced piece of tech would be more expensive. yet here we are

You're paying extra for the convenience for the size and amount of pop. It's easier to carry around a 12/20oz bottle and finish it in a timely fashion over a 2 litter.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Glad to see you Australians getting a break in prices. The price of cards continue to drop here in the USA. The MSI Gaming 3080 has dropped to $805 and will probably drop some more. The MSRP is $700. I don't know if it will drop that low though. It's just a shame that the crypto crash didn't happen 2 years ago. We're looking at the next gen GPUs coming pretty soon so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to buy an Ampere now so late in the cycle.

Yeah, seems like a global trend for dGPU price cuts all round. But hey, gotta get rid of last season's stock right?
I agree doesn't make much sense investing in this soon to be superseded generation especially considering ray tracing will be more common with future releases of games & Nvidia's offering with Ampere tech is luke warm at best but still ahead of RDNA2s.

 

[ARF]

Yeah, seems like a global trend for dGPU price cuts all round. But hey, gotta get rid of last season's stock right?
I agree doesn't make much sense investing in this soon to be superseded generation especially considering ray tracing will be more common with future releases of games & Nvidia's offering with Ampere tech is luke warm at best but still ahead of RDNA2s.

Speaking of RT, I guess RDNA 3 will be heavily improved in that regard. So, RDNA 2 is already a no-go at this point. I'd not risk to buy it if the next gen turns out to be several times faster, as it needs to in order to be competitive.

ASRock Radeon RX 6950 XT OC Formula Review - Ray Tracing | TechPowerUp

 

[Vayra86]

reminds me of this situation.....a 12fl oz bottle of Coke might be $1.49 at the local gas station.....sitting next to a 2 liter bottle for 99cents lmao makes no sense

at least the soda situation could have some explanation....my theory being ppl prefer to buy a single serving while on the go so they hike up the cost of the smaller portion since they know that is what ppl will buy. that's why those bottles are nice and chilled in the coolers (nice!) and the 1 liters are out on the shelves at room temp (who wants warm soda!?)

but that argument cannot apply to a GPU....I cannot think of a scenario where the less powerful, less advanced piece of tech would be more expensive. yet here we are

What do you mean, surely you want your GPU nice and cold, and not burning to a crisp?

That's literally what you get with anything high end now. Wait for ada. You'll see

 

[ARF]

What do you mean, surely you want your GPU nice and cold, and not burning to a crisp?

That's literally what you get with anything high end now. Wait for ada. You'll see

There are news in a positive direction that nvidia tunes the specs of the new GPUs so that the new TDP is lower now, while the shaders are more.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090/4080/4070 get new rumored specs, RTX 4070 with 7168 cores and 10GB 160-bit memory? - VideoCardz.com

Look at how the AD102 gets more shaders - up from 16 128 to 16 384 and TDP is rated ~450 watts.

The bad news is that the 10 GB RTX 4070 will be DOA.

 

[Vayra86]

There are news in a positive direction that nvidia tunes the specs of the new GPUs so that the new TDP is lower now, while the shaders are more.

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090/4080/4070 get new rumored specs, RTX 4070 with 7168 cores and 10GB 160-bit memory? - VideoCardz.com

Look at how the AD102 gets more shaders - up from 16 128 to 16 384 and TDP is rated ~450 watts.

The bad news is that the 10 GB RTX 4070 will be DOA.

Myeah those rumors are just flying doodoo moving for walls, hoping to stick. We'll see, but I think one certainty is that TDP is going to get a major bump again.

 

[ARF]

Myeah those rumors are just flying doodoo moving for walls, hoping to stick. We'll see, but I think one certainty is that TDP is going to get a major bump again.

I can't wait to see the new RDNA 3 cards. Have a precognition that AMD is readying much better offers.

 

[ModEl4]

There are news in a positive direction that nvidia tunes the specs of the new GPUs so that the new TDP is lower now, while the shaders are more.

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090/4080/4070 get new rumored specs, RTX 4070 with 7168 cores and 10GB 160-bit memory? - VideoCardz.com

Look at how the AD102 gets more shaders - up from 16 128 to 16 384 and TDP is rated ~450 watts.

The bad news is that the 10 GB RTX 4070 will be DOA.

There is no chance in hell 4080 reference model being AD103 based to have 420W TBP, so the above table is horseshit imo.
If it comes true 4080 will be DOA and whoever responsible in Nvidia must be fired immediately imo.
I suppose they just subtracted 30W from 4090 because they thought 30W is the 3090-3080 difference, that's my guess.

Regarding 4070 if it's 10GB like they say, it will be a very bad development, the design will be probably bandwidth limited logically unless they use 24Gbps GDDR6X which isn't happening (with 56SMs present there won't be a ROP cut) and regardless bandwidth limitations or not, 10GB at $499-$599 price range in 2022 is inexcusable, there is a limit where the cost-cutting measures isn't tolerable anymore.
If we were talking about a cut down AD104 version at $399-$449, replacing 3060Ti, OK maybe right on the edge of what seems acceptable memory wise.
I hope Nvidia to not be so greedy, wanting to impose unnecessary limits in order to force earlier upgrade cycles...
Edit: depending on the price of Navi33 and if there will be 16GB versions or not (probably not?) maybe someone at Nvidia thought they can get away with 10GB, I hope eventually in the future Intel ARC's next-gen series (Battle mage etc) to be competitive in more price ranges, because we need more competition to revigorate the market.
Another occurrence if they use 160bit bus is that they will pair it with GDDR6X probably resulting the raster performance/W vs 3070 to be in the most positive scenario up to 30% regarding this specific comparison (4070-3070) which will be a huge fail based on the process differences.

 

[ARF]

There is no chance in hell 4080 reference model being AD103 based to have 420W TBP, so the above table is horseshit imo.
If it comes true 4080 will be DOA and whoever responsible in Nvidia must be fired immediately imo.
I suppose they just subtracted 30W from 4090 because they thought 30W is the 3090-3080 difference, that's my guess.

Commenting on this part of your post.
I think it makes sense because the shader count difference between the AD102 (16K shaders) and AD103 (10K shaders) is too large, and maybe they increased the clocks heavily in order to get some performance back from those 10K shaders.

It won't be DOA because of the high TDP.

 

[ModEl4]

Commenting on this part of your post.
I think it makes sense because the shader count difference between the AD102 (16K shaders) and AD103 (10K shaders) is too large, and maybe they increased the clocks heavily in order to get some performance back from those 10K shaders.

It won't be DOA because of the high TDP.

Sure the difference between shading power & performance between 4090 and 4080 is big, but between them we will probably have another model (4080Ti?).
4090 will be only -11% cut down in relation with full AD102 according to the source you quoted, there is no chance Nvidia to stop there, AD102 will be further cut down with 4080Ti at most with 14848 CUDA cores (and at least +25% performance vs 4080) and that part will have lower than 4090's 450W TDP, in worst case 420W. (maybe they got a 420W tip and they confusing this TBP with AD103?)
There is no logic for AD103 to stress it from 350W to 420W for a 5% gain or whatever, the 25% difference that 4080Ti possibly will have in relation with 4080 is fine if you take account the potential price difference (3080 with only $100 difference vs 3070Ti is 20% faster in 4K and have also +25% more memory)
In the event that AD103 based 4080 is 420W, I'm sure that there will be many people to buy it, after all Nvidia brand awareness is huge so technically not DOA, but you know what I mean, there is going to be a lot of people that will be put off from the TDP, so many potential lost sales and the performance/W narrative will get hit badly also, then slowly there are going to be floating rumors in various forums/leakers/sites that Nvidia is starting to losing steam if AMD can get >50% performance/W going from TSMC 7nm to TSMC 6+5nm combo and Nvidia cannot bring even that going from 8nm Samsung to N4, creating unnecessary bad image and prospect for Nvidia image, products, stock whatever, so yes, I don't know what decision the Nvidia's managers will make but I sure know that this doesn't seem to be the right one...