Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[The King]

TPU's ryzen 5500 review is up

Honestly, unless you're doing 240Hz gaming it seems to be 'good enough' for everyone

5600 review?

 

[Mussels]

5600 review?

shoosh, yes.

 

[Nordic]

I got around to updating my bios to the new AGESA. It performs 2-4% less than the previous bios.

• Is per core CO undervolting any easier now? It was a real chore testing each core a year ago.
• Does anyone have any suggestions to better tune my overclock? I have shown what settings I have recently tested above.

 

[Mussels]

Half the difference here is the top 3 are dual rank, but i really wish i had CL14 ram right now

 

[Nordic]

I have discovered Ryzen Master now has a Curve Optimizer. I let it run and it is seemingly stable so far. Performance is the exact same as all core -10 on the curve optimizer. I will need to test these values with OCCT.

Using Ryzen Master's auto overclock feature, I get better multicore performance than with my own tuning in the bios. I am unclear why. The marginal returns are small with 6% increase in multi-threaded with a 16% increase in power used. The auto overclock feature will push my cpu power to 180w while my manual tuning has a peak cpu power of 155w. The PBO Scaler settting is nebulous. I know what the equivilent setting is in the bios but I don't know what Ryzen Master is setting it too.

 

[mstenholm]

I have discovered Ryzen Master now has a Curve Optimizer. I let it run and it is seemingly stable so far. Performance is the exact same as all core -10 on the curve optimizer. I will need to test these values with OCCT.

Using Ryzen Master's auto overclock feature, I get better multicore performance than with my own tuning in the bios. I am unclear why. The marginal returns are small with 6% increase in multi-threaded with a 16% increase in power used. The auto overclock feature will push my cpu power to 180w while my manual tuning has a peak cpu power of 155w. The PBO Scaler settting is nebulous. I know what the equivilent setting is in the bios but I don't know what Ryzen Master is setting it too.

It seem like the Ryzen Master may be good at running Cinebench23 but at the expense of a higher core voltage. What was it at for the 155w run and for the 180 one? 1.09 and 1.27 in average if you stay at the 142A during the auto OC. I do all in BIOS since I like it to work under Linux but I went to far with 1.056V at least for Rosetta. Cinebench23 had no problem running that low. I raised it to 1.088V but need some jobs to test.

 

[Nordic]

It seem like the Ryzen Master may be good at running Cinebench23 but at the expense of a higher core voltage. What was it at for the 155w run and for the 180 one? I do all in BIOS since I like it to work under Linux but I went to far with 1.056V at least for Rosetta. Cinebench23 had no problem running that low. I raised it to 1.088V but need some jobs to test.

By no means was I trying to claim it was an efficient overclock. You can see efficiency in the table I posted yesterday.

I can try to replicate the settings Ryzen master uses in the bios but I cannot get the same results. I don't know what magic they are doing behind the scenes.

It sounds like you are using all-core overclocking. I am trying to manipulate PBO to maximize my single core performance. I started playing with Ryzen Master to see if it gave me different results. It did. Ryzen master does allow me increase PPT/TDC/EDC from windows. I can quickly swap between 65w and 180w profiles if I wanted to.

 

[mstenholm]

By no means was I trying to claim it was an efficient overclock. You can see efficiency in the table I posted yesterday.

I can try to replicate the settings Ryzen master uses in the bios but I cannot get the same results. I don't know what magic they are doing behind the scenes.

It sounds like you are using all-core overclocking. I am trying to manipulate PBO to maximize my single core performance. I started playing with Ryzen Master to see if it gave me different results. It did. Ryzen master does allow me increase PPT/TDC/EDC from windows. I can quickly swap between 65w and 180w profiles if I wanted to.

I know that you care about the efficiency, saw the table, and I was’t rubbing your nose in the high voltage. I was curious. Yes the profile thing is nice, one for gaming, one for the night doing WCG or similar. I still prefer Linux, all-core clock, I’m not a gamer

 

[Nordic]

I know that you care about the efficiency, saw the table, and I was’t rubbing your nose in the high voltage. I was curious. Yes the profile thing is nice, one for gaming, one for the night doing WCG or similar. I still prefer Linux, all-core clock, I’m not a gamer

I.... was crunching all winter at 155w . That wasn't very efficient at all. I do care about knowing the efficient settings. For a 5950x, the stock settings are the sweet spot. Playing with the curve optimizer can net some single threaded performance but not a lot. If all I ever did was crunching I would probably pursue an all-core overclock as well.

 

[Mussels]

Ooh!

Found someone comparing all the Zen generations on the one platform directly, and it genuinely matches the user experience i had upgrading each generation - that ~100FPS jumping to ~120FPS to ~140FPS each generation, then to zen 3 blowing it to the moon (When not GPU limited, obviously)

But overall, Zen 1 (once the AGESA matured) just... doesnt suck?
Unless you game over 120Hz, CPU's really dont need to be upgraded often.
(Thanks 165hz display. This is your fault.)

These were all ran at DDR4 2933, Dual rank (2x16GB) (And i think this is a key that was missed in early zen, four ranks helps more than we knew)

Ryzen 7 5800X3D review: Showing how far AMD's Ryzen has come | PCWorld

That said, even if you are on 165Hz... just get a 5600x and be happy
Even with a 3090, so many games simply can't run high FPS, it's not a given.


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Found someone with the same ram modules as me on reddit and some random google doc, except he's got the 4000Mhz kit

He's a way better OC'er and filled in some blanks:

Summary, keep ram under 50C, 1.4V or under.
18-22-22-42 - it doesnt like those tightened.

tRC=62
tFAW=16
tWR=16
TRFC=520 704 (His number was a flop on mine)

tested all of that and confirmed it, except with those first three tightened i'm adjusting TRFC from my 702 to his 520, to see what happens.

At present i'm seeing ~66ns latency in AIDA, with the CPU at 4850

Okay, seems this BIOS has some bugs after all - stuck with no boost past 4850, and no curve optimiser.

And... i spent 20 minutes unable to even power on the PC because it suddenly decided a USB caddy was a horrible danger or something. Just 1/4 a sec of power and *nothing* until the PSU had been disconnected

Others have detailed this bug better. Doesn't affect everyone, raising EDC above stock reduces clocks?
The AGESA 1.2.0.7 PBO bug combined with a 65W TDP processor is hilarious: My 5600X is effectively stuck at 90A EDC


Why i'm not fussed to be stuck at 4850 for a while: performance goes wee
And that L3 cache copy, i'm never getting a better result

 

[Nordic]

To the surprise of no one, Ryzen Masters per core curve optimizer setting were remarkably unstable. I have returned to an all core CO of -10 because it has the same performance and better stability.

 

[Mussels]

New chipset drivers out

X570 Drivers & Support | AMD

 

[Ibizadr]

New chipset drivers out

X570 Drivers & Support | AMD

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Do you try it mussels? Last time they update chipset it's bugged a lot in installation

 

[Mussels]

Do you try it mussels? Last time they update chipset it's bugged a lot in installation

Yeah, no obvious changes or issues

 

[eazen]

5800X3D really a beast, rly happy with it. Solved some of my issues in MW5, it has terrible cpu usage, and still bottlenecked but way less than with 3700X before. Ridiculously high fps in Valorant and CSGO. Can game and stream at same time over cpu too, no problem at all. Medium X264 as well, this thing ripps.

 

[Mussels]

5800X3D really a beast, rly happy with it. Solved some of my issues in MW5, it has terrible cpu usage, and still bottlenecked but way less than with 3700X before. Ridiculously high fps in Valorant and CSGO. Can game and stream at same time over cpu too, no problem at all. Medium X264 as well, this thing ripps.

Oh yeah, the difference from Zen2 to Zen 3 was huge with high end GPUs - the x3d just makes that even bigger

 

[Chomiq]

Oh yeah, the difference from Zen2 to Zen 3 was huge with high end GPUs - the x3d just makes that even bigger

Too bad it costs nearly double of what I paid for my 5800X.

 

[Calmmo]

Well there's always that rumor about zen4 + old io chip for AM4

 

[eazen]

Too bad it costs nearly double of what I paid for my 5800X.

Its okay because I used it as a 2 generational upgrade, so I think the pricing is fine to me. Otherwise would’ve bought a 5950X anyway, so it doesn’t matter much.

 

[Polyh3dron]

Hi all,

First post in this forum here. I have a Ryzen 5950X CPU I got around its launch date that is in an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero mobo with a RTX 3090 FE GPU, 64GB DDR4-3600 RAM, Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 1200W PSU and it's watercooled in an O11D XL case with two 360mm rads. BIOS, chipset, everything elsedriver wise is all up to date with W11. My USB Selective Suspend option has been disabled in all power plans.

I am still getting random USB dropouts from ALL of my USB devices. My keyboard stops working sometimes and needs a replug. My Stream Deck XL crashes to its logo requiring a quit and reopen of the app. My USB audio interface has dropouts while using virtual input/output through Voicemeeter is rock solid.

In my BIOS, I have PBO active. I have all my load line level stuff set to 3. I have my SOC voltage set to 1.2V. Are there any other voltage settings I can look at to stop this from being an issue?

 

[eazen]

Hi all,

First post in this forum here. I have a Ryzen 5950X CPU I got around its launch date that is in an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero mobo with a RTX 3090 FE GPU, 64GB DDR4-3600 RAM, Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 1200W PSU and it's watercooled in an O11D XL case with two 360mm rads. BIOS, chipset, everything elsedriver wise is all up to date with W11. My USB Selective Suspend option has been disabled in all power plans.

I am still getting random USB dropouts from ALL of my USB devices. My keyboard stops working sometimes and needs a replug. My Stream Deck XL crashes to its logo requiring a quit and reopen of the app. My USB audio interface has dropouts while using virtual input/output through Voicemeeter is rock solid.

In my BIOS, I have PBO active. I have all my load line level stuff set to 3. I have my SOC voltage set to 1.2V. Are there any other voltage settings I can look at to stop this from being an issue?

Just do a bios update, it should be fixed then. It was specifically addressed there.

 

[Polyh3dron]

Just do a bios update, it should be fixed then. It was specifically addressed there.

I did mention in my post that my BIOS was already up to date as well as everything else. I'm currently at 4201, which was released on April 29th of this year. My chipset drivers are current as of a few days ago. I also mentioned the troubleshooting steps I have already taken. I'm asking what my next step should be after taking all the steps I have already outlined including the one you recommended. I'm beginning to think it is a flaw in my CPU that can be compensated for by bumping up some voltages but I'm not sure which ones.

I am aware that AMD has supposedly done a number of AGESA updates specifically to address this issue, but it has not addressed it for me. Here's my current ZenTimings screenshot:

 

[eazen]

I did mention in my post that my BIOS was already up to date as well as everything else. I'm currently at 4201, which was released on April 29th of this year. My chipset drivers are current as of a few days ago. I also mentioned the troubleshooting steps I have already taken. I'm asking what my next step should be after taking all the steps I have already outlined including the one you recommended. I'm beginning to think it is a flaw in my CPU that can be compensated for by bumping up some voltages but I'm not sure which ones.

I am aware thatAMD has supposedly done a number of AGESA updates specifically to address this issue, but it has not addressed it for me. Here's my current ZenTimings screenshot:

Then I’m sorry, seems I overlooked it. Which Agesa is the newest bios using?

 

[Mussels]

I did mention in my post that my BIOS was already up to date as well as everything else. I'm currently at 4201, which was released on April 29th of this year. My chipset drivers are current as of a few days ago. I also mentioned the troubleshooting steps I have already taken. I'm asking what my next step should be after taking all the steps I have already outlined including the one you recommended. I'm beginning to think it is a flaw in my CPU that can be compensated for by bumping up some voltages but I'm not sure which ones.

I am aware that AMD has supposedly done a number of AGESA updates specifically to address this issue, but it has not addressed it for me. Here's my current ZenTimings screenshot:

you do know that above 3200 is overclocking and not officially supported, yeah?

There is zero guarantees of high memory clock speeds on default settings above two sticks of single rank RAM at 3200, anythinig above that is overclocking and may require tweaking or lowering clocks.
You're at 3600 with dual ranks just like i am, which is way above what these CPU's were officially rated to do.

(As to why the BOARDS support the higher speeds, because the APU models can clock RAM that high)

 

[Polyh3dron]

you do know that above 3200 is overclocking and not officially supported, yeah?

There is zero guarantees of high memory clock speeds on default settings above two sticks of single rank RAM at 3200, anythinig above that is overclocking and may require tweaking or lowering clocks.
You're at 3600 with dual ranks just like i am, which is way above what these CPU's were officially rated to do.

(As to why the BOARDS support the higher speeds, because the APU models can clock RAM that high)

Official statements from AMD reps said the "sweet spot" for Zen 3 ram (and Zen 2 for that matter) was 3600MHz. We could split hairs about whether any non-JEDEC RAM speeds should be guaranteed or not... but I'd much rather find out if there are any known simple settings in my BIOS that I could bump up in order to make my USB stability better.