X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[johnspack]

Will try some of the suggestions above... but have a xeon coming, so I'll have to start all over again! I want this thing to be a server so a hint would be the above post heh!

 

[wanna_buy]

Will try some of the suggestions above... but have a xeon coming, so I'll have to start all over again! I want this thing to be a server so a hint would be the above post heh!

Which Xeon did you get? E5-2699V3 or E5-2696V3?

 

[drizzler]

I should have add "hard to find for a reasonable pricing in my area". I am from europe and a 2699v3 is about 160 euros while a 2969v3 is about 200 euros (and way less offers) or i buy from aliexpress with maybe taxes to add.
Same goes for the 6950x that is used from private at about 250-299 Euros at the common plattforms.

Seeing a comparision between a Ryzen 5600x and a Xeon e5 2698 v3 (16 core, 135 TDP) the ryzen is beating the xeon even in most of multithreaded workloads it is really hard to justify in my opinion with a pricepoint of about 160 euros for the 6core Ryzen or a bit more in the 200-300 range getting a 8core 5800x with only the need of adding a mainboard (even lowcost ones will work fine).

But since i like to have and the need for many pcie lanes i may opt. for the 2697v3 (14 cores, 145tdp) that is sold below 100 euros. The better TDP / Core ratio may help to keep clocks higher.

X299 is even more overpriced in the used market.

​

 

[wanna_buy]

I should have add "hard to find for a reasonable pricing in my area". I am from europe and a 2699v3 is about 160 euros while a 2969v3 is about 200 euros (and way less offers) or i buy from aliexpress with maybe taxes to add.
Same goes for the 6950x that is used from private at about 250-299 Euros at the common plattforms.

Seeing a comparision between a Ryzen 5600x and a Xeon e5 2698 v3 (16 core, 135 TDP) the ryzen is beating the xeon even in most of multithreaded workloads it is really hard to justify in my opinion with a pricepoint of about 160 euros for the 6core Ryzen or a bit more in the 200-300 range getting a 8core 5800x with only the need of adding a mainboard (even lowcost ones will work fine).

But since i like to have and the need for many pcie lanes i may opt. for the 2697v3 (14 cores, 145tdp) that is sold below 100 euros. The better TDP / Core ratio may help to keep clocks higher.

X299 is even more overpriced in the used market.

​

This eBay seller has the lowest price for E5-2699V3 and ships to Europe. https://www.ebay.com/itm/185508947815 I checked the rates for France, Germany and Italy and the highest rate for the shipping is around $19. eBay will force to pay import charges at checkout though.
This seller has the lowest price for E5-2696V3 and ships to Europe. https://www.ebay.com/itm/284681013115 Chinese sellers usually declare very low customs values and you won't have to pay any customs duty/VAT unless you are in Italy. Italian customs are notorious among eBay sellers as the strictest customs in Europe.

 

[bobbybluz]

A friend lent me his unused 6950X to try out. Other than higher clock speeds I don't think it'll match my 2683 v4 much less my 2699 v4.

 

[agent_x007]

It will crush them in single thread/core apps. It will be not that great at multi threaded ones (that scale over 10C/20T).
Also, don't go too much over 1.1-1.2V Vcore, if you don't have a proper cooler on it (when testing AVX2 stuff).

 

[johnspack]

Didn't want to jinx myself before pulling the trigger, good price too....

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Didn't want to jinx myself before pulling the trigger, good price too....
View attachment 255995

That’s cheap! I will be anxious to see how all these various platforms compare from X79/X99 all the way to Z69!

Also wish me luck I submitted my app for proofreader here on TPU and Wizz emailed me back a test page to proofread which I already sent back, hopefully he is impressed!

 

[johnspack]

Crossing my fingers for you daledukesboy.... c'mon Wiz.... let's see what he can do!

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Crossing my fingers for you daledukesboy.... c'mon Wiz.... let's see what he can do!

Thanks bud... Saw you comment on thread. I got enough crap going on could use some good news.

 

[drizzler]

This eBay seller has the lowest price for E5-2699V3 and ships to Europe. https://www.ebay.com/itm/185508947815 I checked the rates for France, Germany and Italy and the highest rate for the shipping is around $19. eBay will force to pay import charges at checkout though.
This seller has the lowest price for E5-2696V3 and ships to Europe. https://www.ebay.com/itm/284681013115 Chinese sellers usually declare very low customs values and you won't have to pay any customs duty/VAT unless you are in Italy. Italian customs are notorious among eBay sellers as the strictest customs in Europe.

Thanks for your effort but even the 2nd one is charging 20 dollars tax so i am at round about 150 dollars again (and i even have to pay a bit more due to weak euro at the moment).

I was able to get a 2697v3 for under 50 euros from business so i will give that thing a try.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

https://www.facebook.com/100000270453033/posts/5488190684533226

I know this is way off topic but life has sucked for my fiancé and I have a special bond with all of you through here and technology and am asking for your support or to share with friends etc.

Trying to help her in any way I can, I feel pretty helpless. Thanks for making my thread great!

 

[wanna_buy]

https://www.facebook.com/100000270453033/posts/5488190684533226

I know this is way off topic but life has sucked for my fiancé and I have a special bond with all of you through here and technology and am asking for your support or to share with friends etc.

Trying to help her in any way I can, I feel pretty helpless. Thanks for making my thread great!

Are not there any charities in the United States that finance Cancer patients? I did a quick google search and I found this if it may be of some help to you and your fiancé. Wish you all the strength you need.

Financial Resources

The cost of cancer care may be a concern if you or a family member has been diagnosed with cancer. Because bills and debt can add up quickly, people may want to seek financial help soon after being diagnosed with cancer. Oncology social workers, case managers, doctors, and oncology nurses can...

www.cancer.net

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Are not there any charities in the United States that finance Cancer patients? I did a quick google search and I found this if it may be of some help to you and your fiancé. Wish you all the strength you need.

Financial Resources

The cost of cancer care may be a concern if you or a family member has been diagnosed with cancer. Because bills and debt can add up quickly, people may want to seek financial help soon after being diagnosed with cancer. Oncology social workers, case managers, doctors, and oncology nurses can...

www.cancer.net

Honestly I didn't even think of it. I didn't even do gofundme I've only recently been sharing it...almost hit delete on here instead of leaving it posted lol. I'm sharing things to have more clear headed people like you suggest things and me to vent because I'm having a hard time right now. Sorry I went so off topic mostly just "feels better " sharing.

I started emailing people I haven’t in a while, posting on the few groups (like here and facebook) that I’m a member of, texting people etc, etc. I’m still an introvert who’s fairly isolated so had some exposure to some people face to face but honestly part of me wants to talk incessantly and part of me just wants to crawl in a hole.

NOT complaining or ”woe is me’ ing” lol. This is more of a venting over two posts, thanks for indulging me I really am grateful for all of you. When I said thanks for making thread great I really mean it!

Also props to Bobby, I’d say more but without drawing too much attention to him his strength in his own situation truly puts me to shame and he is an amazing encouragement!

Ok back on topic and sorry to posters here and to mods probably cringing at this love to hear your exploits and if anyone wants to talk more about off-topic things (or on topic) I love getting dm’s on here!

 

[johnspack]

It's not fun watching someone you care about die from cancer. Both my parents, a number of other relatives.. and I just buried a friend of over 20 years.
That's why I'm in here with his old x99 system, and waiting for the 2699v3. He wanted to see this thing run as a server, so I'm finishing the job.
See, you can combine personal and technical all in one!

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's not fun watching someone you care about die from cancer.

Both my maternal grandparents here.. It was unpleasant..

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yes. I'm sorry to hear for your losses as well buds! Johnspack I see why you are so empathetic to my situation, hope being here talking tech helps! Yeah X99 and x299 or whatever the fuck was next Intel socket but were ridiculously expensive and X79 matched or was close to their performance.
Really cool how you are finishing his project, anxious to see what it does when you fire it up!

 

[bobbybluz]

I got the results of my PET scan Monday. Another MRI is scheduled for the lymph nodes they hit with radiation in 2018 but other than that all is stable on the cancer front. Other issues showed up on the scan that are non-cancer related and I see another one of my doctors in two weeks about that. If I'd known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself.

After playing with my two Alder Lake builds I realize how far the state of the art in PC's has come in the past 10 years. Both are stupid fast with Win 11 Pro yet I find great enjoyment working with my Sabertooth X79/ E5 1680 V2 rig running Win 10 Enterprise LTSC. It's like putting on your favorite pair of comfortable shoes and going for a walk. My X99's with the locked Xeon V4's are rock-solid but don't have the grin factor the X79 does.

I've got my Z390 Asus Maximus Hero WiFi/ i9 9900K up on the local Craigslist and a scammer thinks the combo is "only worth $250" even though it's got less than 40 hours of time on it, all looks new plus all of the original packaging and accessories are included. I'll stash it away and let it gather dust before I'll sell it for that price. Even the cheapest ones on Ebay in much worse condition are far more expensive. If the mobo had 4 more SATA ports and another USB 3.0 header for a front panel I'd keep it. I may put it up for sale on here but don't feel like packing it all up then having to ship it.

I haven't gotten around to trying out the 6950X yet but will in the next couple of weeks. I still have the Rampage V Extreme and Rampage Edition 10 that need to get new CPU sockets plus I discovered the Edition 10 also has broken pins in one of the USB 3.0 headers. Considering what Asus wants for a "diagnosis fee", shipping and likely repair costs they're going to be sitting on the shelf for quite a while at this point.

 

[lexluthermiester]

running Win 10 Enterprise LTSC

If you're going to stick with Windows 10, that's the best version!

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I got the results of my PET scan Monday. Another MRI is scheduled for the lymph nodes they hit with radiation in 2018 but other than that all is stable on the cancer front. Other issues showed up on the scan that are non-cancer related and I see another one of my doctors in two weeks about that. If I'd known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself.

After playing with my two Alder Lake builds I realize how far the state of the art in PC's has come in the past 10 years. Both are stupid fast with Win 11 Pro yet I find great enjoyment working with my Sabertooth X79/ E5 1680 V2 rig running Win 10 Enterprise LTSC. It's like putting on your favorite pair of comfortable shoes and going for a walk. My X99's with the locked Xeon V4's are rock-solid but don't have the grin factor the X79 does.

I've got my Z390 Asus Maximus Hero WiFi/ i9 9900K up on the local Craigslist and a scammer thinks the combo is "only worth $250" even though it's got less than 40 hours of time on it, all looks new plus all of the original packaging and accessories are included. I'll stash it away and let it gather dust before I'll sell it for that price. Even the cheapest ones on Ebay in much worse condition are far more expensive. If the mobo had 4 more SATA ports and another USB 3.0 header for a front panel I'd keep it. I may put it up for sale on here but don't feel like packing it all up then having to ship it.

I haven't gotten around to trying out the 6950X yet but will in the next couple of weeks. I still have the Rampage V Extreme and Rampage Edition 10 that need to get new CPU sockets plus I discovered the Edition 10 also has broken pins in one of the USB 3.0 headers. Considering what Asus wants for a "diagnosis fee", shipping and likely repair costs they're going to be sitting on the shelf for quite a while at this point.

You have no idea how happy I am to hear this Bobby! The tech stuff is cool but God be praised for your cancer being "stable"! Well just take better care of yourself now is all you can do. I will reread your systems' adventure and comment further!

Nice to see you got multiple platforms to play around with!

 

[johnspack]

Just realized v3 2xxx xeons can't do all core turbo. Dam. So the next thing I need to do is mod my bios. Has anyone here done this yet? Apparently some errata discovered allows
you to hack this. So first I used the MM_tool to remove the 06F2 microcode from the bios. Then used UBU to remove the security check. Do I need to inject anything?
And yes, I have dual bios.

Oh, and dam I hate I have to pull this 5820k.... benching it it 4.9 now, I think it'll do 5:

Intel Core i7 5820K @ 4897.1 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[kdislp] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-R524VHQ (2022-08-06 04:15:00) - MB: ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 - RAM: 32768 MB

valid.x86.fr

 

[wanna_buy]

Just realized v3 2xxx xeons can't do all core turbo. Dam. So the next thing I need to do is mod my bios. Has anyone here done this yet? Apparently some errata discovered allows
you to hack this. So first I used the MM_tool to remove the 06F2 microcode from the bios. Then used UBU to remove the security check. Do I need to inject anything?
And yes, I have dual bios.

Oh, and dam I hate I have to pull this 5820k.... benching it it 4.9 now, I think it'll do 5:

Intel Core i7 5820K @ 4897.1 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[kdislp] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-R524VHQ (2022-08-06 04:15:00) - MB: ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 - RAM: 32768 MB

valid.x86.fr

Yes, I have done this on my X99-A. You have to inject special FFS driver into UEFI. Here's the detailed guide I used. You have to read carefully.

[GUIDE] Haswell-E/EP Xeon CPUID:306F2 Turbo Unlock

Compatible Intel® Xeon® Processor v3 E5-1428L, E5-1603, E5-1607, E5-1620, E5-1630, E5-1650, E5-1660, E5-1680, E5-2408L, E5-2418L, E5-2428L, E5-2438L, E5-2603, E5-2608L, E5-2608L, E5-2609, E5-2618L, E5-2620, E5-2623, E5-2628L, E5-2630, E5-2630L, E5-2637, E5-2640, E5-2643, E5-2648L, E5-2650...

winraid.level1techs.com

Just FYI, UEFITool_NE and UEFITool are two different applications and you have to use first UEFITool_NE, then UEFITool as indicated in the guide. I missed this first time.

 

[johnspack]

Yeah, UBU has both, but the documentation is sparse. And this is for a NON-chinese mobo right?
This will take me awhile to figure out... glad the cpu won't be here for at least a week.....

Okay I'm stuck on using GenFfs.exe to convert the efi driver to an ffs one. It wants to know the fileguid of the file. I have no idea how to get that.
So close but so far.....
Nevermind... Genmod did it automatically. Off to the next step.....

Stuck again... UEFItool does not find the microcode section at all, so I can't replace it. So guess I'll use the mmtool and ubu modified bios, with the ffs driver injected and see what happens.

And sticking very separate issues into one post in a pain in the ass, I can't show progress, and can't get proper answers.....

 

[wanna_buy]

Yeah, UBU has both, but the documentation is sparse. And this is for a NON-chinese mobo right?
This will take me awhile to figure out... glad the cpu won't be here for at least a week.....

Okay I'm stuck on using GenFfs.exe to convert the efi driver to an ffs one. It wants to know the fileguid of the file. I have no idea how to get that.
So close but so far.....
Nevermind... Genmod did it automatically. Off to the next step.....

Stuck again... UEFItool does not find the microcode section at all, so I can't replace it. So guess I'll use the mmtool and ubu modified bios, with the ffs driver injected and see what happens.

And sticking very separate issues into one post in a pain in the ass, I can't show progress, and can't get proper answers.....

There is no specific tutorial for ASRock boards. I downloaded 3.40 BIOS because it is the last BIOS not containing Spectre/Meltdown patches which affect performance. Took a while to find Microcode section in UEFITool NE.
Microcode section is located under Intel image>BIOS Region>61C0F511

File GUID is 17088572-377F-44EF-8F4E-B09FFF46A070. After you edit the extracted microcode file via HxD, you open Asrock BIOS file in UEFITool and search by this GUID. You replace both sections with the edited file. I modded the BIOS file for you and ran it through UBU. UBU suggested to remove Instant Flash protection, so I am including both the original modded (mod_X99EX433) and unprotected BIOS (apr_X99EX433) files. You have to flash from the BIOS and see for yourself which one will work for you.

You also have to use the exact BIOS settings as shown in this video

However, I am not sure if Asrock BIOS has the same CPU Power Management and External DIGI+ Power Control settings as ASUS boards. Do not forget to set your BCLK to 103 to achieve maximum boost multiplier. Also -0.095V offset may not be 100% stable for your particular chip, so try -0.05V.

 

[johnspack]

Yeah, sorry, I got really frustrated. Next day it dawned on me to look at the guid. Yep that was it. Was able to finish it. Now I can pump out a mod bios in about 3 minutes....
There are actually 2 sections you have to mod, I almost missed that one. Heh, in case I f'd up, I can always try your mods! And yes, I realize I'll have to play with offset, should
be interesting. Thanks for the help guys. Now I just have to wait for the dam xeon to show up.....