When will gpu prices return to normal.

[ARF]

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[_JP_]

I don't think anyone demands "price wars".
Price wars was meant to keep AMD afloat when it was the underdog with Radeon HD 3870, and previously the mediocre Radeon HD 2900 XT.
Back then, you could buy the high-end Radeon HD 4890 for as low as $195.

Today, even the crappiest, entry level, shit card Radeon RX 6400 costs as much.

Undercutting the price of a competitor provides long-term market-share but above all, benefits the consumer. I think all consumers demand it otherwise it wouldn't be so common for things like vouchers and "on sale" (now every freaking day, because that's what we now call normal price fluctuations) to exist and being sought after.

The HD 4890 was not released at $195, more like +$250, and went as low as that price you mentioned by the time the HD5870 was already around, which launched at the same price-point. Hence, you had numerous rebrands of the G92 core for nVidia and only dual-chip cards rose above the $400-mark. Things were kept "sane" between the $250 ~$350 price levels.
It's when the GTX980 (above $500 in some variants, nevermind the "Ti"s) and later, the R9 390X (something like +$400) came about that things got stupid, because suddenly there was no justification to make below-$100 cards since iGPUs were carving that market so there was an excuse to "bump" the market segments by an order of two. "Your new entry model is now $150. Deal with it. But we still sell that very desktop-rendering-capable chip (insert rebrand #11 of the HD4370 and the Vista Certified™ GT 8400 GS)".
AIBs made it worse with the special versions that had that mindblowing 5~15MHz crazy extreme OC tuning (/s), but charged you anything between $25 to $75 more on top of an already expensive chip, even though cost-cutting was already there, since it was no longer a reference card. What followed that was the crypto boom and subsequent first major shortage of GPUs.
Nobody asked for that, but instead for the market to exist as it could and did until that point.

 

[Morgoth]

back in the day i bought a sapphire 1950 pro AGP brand new for 150 euro that was a pre order and droped in price to 100 on launch... those where some prices

 

[HD64G]

The GPU prices for the present X60 and X70 models will be forced to drastically decrease once the next gen launches or after 1-2 months, once availability will become normal. And then it will be a good time to buy if interested for those performance tiers. The higher performance tiers that are for 4K high settings will remain high no matter what. My 5c.

 

[Lei]

So here comes the report for July 31st:

ETH profitability and price going up. Could we see 85% msrp for nvidia in 3 weeks?
nvidia geforce twitter posted an ultimate countdown on August 10 2020. This time their company is 23 years old

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[_JP_]

Honestly, over here, the market is still riding some kind of wave because the cards are not below MSRP yet.
Sure, the prices did drop, but I wouldn't say even a peg.
Considering "middle-range", cards that have trackers over 10+ stores and closest to not be a "Special OC version":
PowerColor RX 6700 XT Fighter

MSI RTX 3060 TI VENTUS

Black line is avg. and the orange line is the lowest price at the given dates.
MSRP would be below the €499 for these two, more like €399 for the nVidia and €449 for the Radeon, according to what I could gather.
EDIT: Sure, VAT here is 23% so there is always some pricing over the nominal value but before the hikes it was not that much, usually 5~10% more.

 

[Lei]

Honestly, over here, the market is still riding some kind of wave because the cards are not below MSRP yet.
Sure, the prices did drop, but I wouldn't say even a peg.
Considering "middle-range", cards that have trackers over 10+ stores and closest to not be a "Special OC version":
PowerColor RX 6700 XT Fighter
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MSI RTX 3060 TI VENTUS
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Black line is avg. and the orange line is the lowest price at the given dates.
MSRP would be below the €499 for these two, more like €399 for the nVidia and €449 for the Radeon, according to what I could gather.
EDIT: Sure, VAT here is 23% so there is always some pricing over the nominal value but before the hikes it was not that much, usually 5~10% more.

thanks for the graphs.

I got a used 3090 on August 4th. It comes with double layer watercooling. cost me 1020$ including the blocks.
Seller said the block was never used. Seems true since it was sealed and clean as lemon. He said the card was used for half an hour. Can trust him:

Temps at 4k stress:

Could also OC to Board Power Draw of about 404 watts
Seller even forgot to put thermal paste under the waterblock. So When I received it, the GPU was idling at 70°. But that proves he never used it

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Milestone achieved.

Caveat: Only Newegg has this pricing, and only with rebate. But I'd said earlier that "normal" could be considered 6[XX]-series performance for USD250, and here we (sort of) are. If I hadn't already scored a deal on a 3050, one of these would probably be inbound (probably the Sapphire; there's another $10 discount available). Though that's not preventing me from seriously considering throwing out a lowball offer for a $200 2060 KO on CL.

 

[ppn]

Can't settle for less than a 6800., currently at 599, but 2 years later 299 should be the new norm, in 2 just months. it's normal, but also double.
so waiting for the 7800 it is.

 

[P4-630]

so waiting for the 7800 it is.

Or RTX 4070... Because it just works!

 

[Valantar]

Or RTX 4070... Because it just works!

Lol, so do AMD GPUs. Stop regurgitating nonsense, please. Do their drivers run problem free 100% of the time? Obviously not, but neither do Nvidia's. AMD GPUs being difficult, problematic, unstable etc. is a myth that does nothing but harm consumers and should have died long ago.

(just to preempt the most obvious response: yes, the 5700 XT had (has?) severe issues, which were surprisingly widespread but still only affected a small percentage of users (still too high, obviously), and has not been positively identified to be a pure driver issue. It is also the only AMD GPU to have had such issues in ages, with it being one example against dozens and dozens of examples of perfectly working models - and it's not like Nvidia has never fucked up a design either.)

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Lol, so do AMD GPUs. Stop regurgitating nonsense, please. Do their drivers run problem free 100% of the time? Obviously not, but neither do Nvidia's. AMD GPUs being difficult, problematic, unstable etc. is a myth that does nothing but harm consumers and should have died long ago.

(just to preempt the most obvious response: yes, the 5700 XT had (has?) severe issues, which were surprisingly widespread but still only affected a small percentage of users (still too high, obviously), and has not been positively identified to be a pure driver issue. It is also the only AMD GPU to have had such issues in ages, with it being one example against dozens and dozens of examples of perfectly working models - and it's not like Nvidia has never fucked up a design either.)

Once burned twice shy. The issue is AMD/Raedeon has had issues all over the place on chipsets and GPUs. At the "enthusiast" level which is now more "RGB land, where is my RGB, why does my closed loop not have RGB, I need that RGB" this does not matter but at the enterprize level you simply don't buy their products, it will cost you a job sooner or later. Sure, they can make a SOC for a gaming system but at the large scale they are LOL. That's why they have a nasty reputation. It's no go, period. Yeah every now and then they come out with a product that is crazy enough to risk the risk, but mostly might as well not exist.

AMD is shit for quality control in the big leagues.

 

[Valantar]

Once burned twice shy. The issue is AMD/Raedeon has had issues all over the place on chipsets and GPUs. At the "enthusiast" level which is now more "RGB land, where is my RGB, why does my closed loop not have RGB, I need that RGB" this does not matter but at the enterprize level you simply don't buy their products, it will cost you a job sooner or later. Sure, they can make a SOC for a gaming system but at the large scale they are LOL. That's why they have a nasty reputation. It's no go, period. Yeah every now and then they come out with a product that is crazy enough to risk the risk, but mostly might as well not exist.

AMD is shit for quality control in the big leagues.

That's the thing: the business world is slow, and reputations - deserved or not - are hard to shake, regardless of how long it has been since they were relevant. AMD has had problems. Do they have more than Intel today? Probably a bit more, yes, as they simply have less experience operating at that scale. Enough for it to matter at that type of scale? No. I mean, once again, you're making it out as if Intel (or Nivida, depending on the segment we're talking about) have a sterling reputation for being problem free and only offering smooth sailing, as if Intel hasn't seen a half-dozen security fixes with significant performance effects, various hardware bugs on shipping chips, etc. Things vary, but a reputation that has cemented itself is hard to shake, and that's what we're seeing.

 

[Lei]

Once burned twice shy. The issue is AMD/Raedeon has had issues all over the place on chipsets and GPUs. At the "enthusiast" level which is now more "RGB land, where is my RGB, why does my closed loop not have RGB, I need that RGB" this does not matter but at the enterprize level you simply don't buy their products, it will cost you a job sooner or later. Sure, they can make a SOC for a gaming system but at the large scale they are LOL. That's why they have a nasty reputation. It's no go, period. Yeah every now and then they come out with a product that is crazy enough to risk the risk, but mostly might as well not exist.

AMD is shit for quality control in the big leagues.

On a side note:
Where do we plug the RGB cable

mine has one hanging there.
Where should I plug the RGB cable into?

 

[pcwolf]

So ... does TPU have a For Sale forum where I can hawk my slightly used retail box video cards?

 

[80-watt Hamster]

So ... does TPU have a For Sale forum where I can hawk my slightly used retail box video cards?

Yup.

 

[claes]

Once burned twice shy. The issue is AMD/Raedeon has had issues all over the place on chipsets and GPUs. At the "enthusiast" level which is now more "RGB land, where is my RGB, why does my closed loop not have RGB, I need that RGB" this does not matter but at the enterprize level you simply don't buy their products, it will cost you a job sooner or later. Sure, they can make a SOC for a gaming system but at the large scale they are LOL. That's why they have a nasty reputation. It's no go, period. Yeah every now and then they come out with a product that is crazy enough to risk the risk, but mostly might as well not exist.

AMD is shit for quality control in the big leagues.

I don’t think this is true, especially since Epyc. AMD has been seeing huge yoy increases in server sales, even with supply issues, while Intel’s share has been decreasing. From what I know the only reason that Intel had the server/HPC market locked was because they were faster, not more reliable.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I don’t think this is true, especially since Epyc. AMD has been seeing huge yoy increases in server sales, even with supply issues, while Intel’s share has been decreasing. From what I know the only reason that Intel had the server/HPC market locked was because they were faster, not more reliable.

Agree. AMD's CPU market has no issues with reliability, at least in the enterprise market.

I have a old R7 450 in my work computer - no issues*. I have a laptop with a Maxwell Quadro and it is impossible to update drivers unless Windows sees fit. Anecdotal, yes, but AMD consumer drivers have given me less issues than Nvidia Enterprise drivers.

*Ok, one issue but that was my fault.

 

[Valantar]

It's also worth pointing out that up until the past few years - maybe as little as two - there were significant differences in the engineering and product design efforts and quality put into Intel and AMD products by OEMs, for a variety of reasons. From platform familiarity (and thus ease of tuning/tweaking/troubleshooting) to Intel having a cemented reputation as "the premium brand" (and AMD as "the budget brand") to Intel paying for exclusivity in more premium form factors in various ways (which AMD through their recent growth and no longer being on the verge of bankruptcy are able to better match or respond to), to a bunch of other stuff. When one brand is only found in cheap, bargain-level, "value" products and the other is found across a wide range, including high-effort, high-cost, "premium" products, it's a given that the latter will get a better reputation for both performance and quality - unless they really mess up, that is.

 

[ARF]

Or RTX 4070... Because it just works!

No, AMD Radeon gives better image quality.

But the prices will not go back to normal, will they?

As of August 16, 2022:
Radeon RX 6400 - 168.82 euro
Radeon RX 6500 XT - 169.00 euro
Radeon RX 6600 - 294.00 euro
Radeon RX 6600 XT - 394.13 euro
Radeon RX 6650 XT - 402.34 euro
Radeon RX 6700 XT - 479.90 euro
Radeon RX 6750 XT - 549.00 euro
Radeon RX 6800 - 639.00 euro
Radeon RX 6800 XT - 769.00 euro
Radeon RX 6900 XT - 929.00 euro
Radeon RX 6950 XT - 1181.50 euro

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[mechtech]

I am really starting to wonder if anything purchased new will ever return to pre-pandemic prices….

 

[P4-630]

No, AMD Radeon gives better image quality.

That's what I said always 16 years ago, I only bought ATi back then, but since 2010 only bought Nvidia.

 

[ARF]

That's what I said always 16 years ago, I only bought ATi back then, but since 2010 only bought Nvidia.

What changed in 2010?

 

[P4-630]

What changed in 2010?

No more desktop for a while only laptops and they had Nvidia graphics, then in 2016 I built a desktop again and at that year Pascal just came out and that seemed the better choice back then and got a GTX 1070. Then got myself a G-Sync monitor, and since then kinda stuck with Nvidia.
My last ATi GPU was a HIS 4870 in 2010, I gave my dad my socket 775 desktop and he's been using it since then.
The HIS 4870 died last year in 2021 iirc and then my dad bought a cheap Nvidia GPU for display output.

 

[r9]

Once burned twice shy. The issue is AMD/Raedeon has had issues all over the place on chipsets and GPUs. At the "enthusiast" level which is now more "RGB land, where is my RGB, why does my closed loop not have RGB, I need that RGB" this does not matter but at the enterprize level you simply don't buy their products, it will cost you a job sooner or later. Sure, they can make a SOC for a gaming system but at the large scale they are LOL. That's why they have a nasty reputation. It's no go, period. Yeah every now and then they come out with a product that is crazy enough to risk the risk, but mostly might as well not exist.

AMD is shit for quality control in the big leagues.

I think we've must have watched a different movie.

On the price thing we the consumers are what drives the pricing full stop period.
AMD and NVIDIA can ask $5k for entry level GPUs if they want but if they get it it's all on us.
If we can take anything from the shortage is that people have more money than common sense.
Anybody complaining about the pricing but reached in their wallet and paid the scalper price it's on you brother.
Food and water are necessities GPUs are not.