AMD Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 5 7600X Cinebench R23 Single-Thread Numbers See it Trade Blows with the Competition

[btarunr]

Alleged Cinebench R23 single-threaded benchmark numbers of the upcoming Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 5 7600X "Zen 4" processors, leaked to the web by Greymon55, and tabulated by VideoCardz, show the two chips to be matching Intel's 12th and 13th Gen Core processors. The 7700X 8-core/16-thread processor is shown scoring anywhere between 2000 to 2099 points (denoted as 20xx), while the 7600X does anywhere between 1900 to 1999 points (19xx). This would see the two easily match/beat the 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake" P-cores, with the i9-12900K scoring 2000 points, and the i5-12600K getting 1920 points.

Numbers for the unreleased 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" put Intel at an advantage, with the i9-13900K allegedly scoring 2290 points, and the i5-13600K allegedly 1967 points, but what's important is that the single-thread performance, and application performance of less-parallelized workloads, such as games, could be highly competitive for "Zen 4" against Intel.



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[MarsM4N]

Who is Greymon55 (Twitter)? Guess someone with a review sample, leaking information anonymously to avoid NDA punishments.
Btw. how far in advance do tech sites get review samples shipped? If leaks are correct, reviewers gonna be busy the next 3 weeks.

The original leak stated 29th August as the official announcement of Zen4 from AMD. On the 13th of September, reviewers will be allowed to give their two cents regarding this new lineup and just 2 days later, the CPUs will be unveiled to the public.

• Announcement : 29th August, 8PM ET
• Press embargo : 13th September, 9AM ET
• Official Launch : 15th September, 9AM ET

Source: MSI Accidentally Confirms the Launch Date for AMD Zen4 along with its X670E Motherboards

 

[marcin2468]

Everything depends how much new processors and boards will costs ...

 

[Denver]

It would be more interesting to know the performance in games.

AMD and Nvidia new GPUs will have nothing less than twice the performance of the current gen.. so don't tell me that CPU doesn't make a difference in 4K. I really believe it will be relevant from the near future

 

[TheLostSwede]

Who is Greymon55 (Twitter)? Guess someone with a review sample, leaking information anonymously to avoid NDA punishments.
Btw. how far in advance do tech sites get review samples shipped? If leaks are correct, reviewers gonna be busy the next 3 weeks.

The original leak stated 29th August as the official announcement of Zen4 from AMD. On the 13th of September, reviewers will be allowed to give their two cents regarding this new lineup and just 2 days later, the CPUs will be unveiled to the public.

• Announcement : 29th August, 8PM ET
• Press embargo : 13th September, 9AM ET
• Official Launch : 15th September, 9AM ET the PRC

Source: MSI Accidentally Confirms the Launch Date for AMD Zen4 along with its X670E Motherboards

He's someone who's proven to have reliable sources for quite a lot of things. No idea who it actually is, but most likely someone with good connections in the PRC or Taiwan.

Motherboards have already shipped. CPUs I'm not sure.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Assuming those numbers hold true, Ryzen 9 chips will be a match, if not, better. 7800 may roughly match (slightly lower) the 13900 suggesting the 7900 will likely top it.

 

[thegnome]

Impressive, and not to forget that the Alder/Raptor Lake arches perform best in cinebench. I remember a 20-25% uplift over Zen 3 but most other applications closer to 10-15%. Hope for AMD that scales just as well, if so they could really battle is out with Raptor Lake until Zen 4D launches.

 

[Daven]

It’s starting to look like a 15% IPC increase and a 15% clock speed increase. That would mean a close tie with Raptor Lake and a sound beating of Alder Lake. Ryzen Zen 4 and Raptor Lake will be great upgrades for those that don’t have the currently available generation from either company.

 

[ZoneDymo]

what I want to know is if AMD can match performance at lower power consumption.

Also 16 threads matching 24 threads, not bad

 

[spnidel]

but what's important is that the single-thread performance, and application performance of less-parallelized workloads, such as games, could be highly competitive for "Zen 4" against Intel.

what? how does cinebench single core score translate to gaming performance? it's completely irrelevant as this is a synthetic workload, and one that doesn't encompass what cpus tend to do in games. I'm sure the 5800X3D performs on the same level (if not worse) than a regular 5800X in cinebench, yet in games it can be up to 30% faster, so... wtf?
I'd expect techpowerup, of all places, to know that before writing something silly like this

 

[defaultluser]

Everything depends how much new processors and boards will costs ...

then wait 3 months for the launch of b650, and 6 months for the initial demand wave to pass, and inventory to drop in price!

Or if you live anywhere near a micro center, wait a year, and they will clearance the whole lineup in prep for zen 4 refresh

 

[RedelZaVedno]

These numbers are really disappointing, only trading blows with Alder Lake. Raptor lake will have P+E cores even on a budget i5 13400 and you can use cheap DDR4 and B660 mobo with it. Zen4 is gonna be priced out of the market. That's the price you pay if you 100 % rely on TSCM I guess.

 

[fancucker]

So slightly worse ST performance, nonexistent competition in MT, slightly less power draw? Zen 4 better be priced low to avoid a rout.

 

[Nordic]

I am planning on sticking with my 5950x for a long while. A 7000 series with the 3d cache would be super tempting. CPU bound games would thrive.

 

[phanbuey]

Zen4 might struggle in the mid range pricing but pretty sure the 7950xt easily takes the mt crown, and the x3d variants will take the gaming crown.

Raptor lake will fill the mid range gap but AM5 is a long lived platform so if I had to build a new rig in 2-4 months I would probably go AM5 7700XT then 7900X3D -> zen5 ... just because there's an upgrade path there.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

So slightly worse ST performance, nonexistent competition in MT, slightly less power draw? Zen 4 better be priced low to avoid a rout.

It doesn't matter. With only DDR5 as an option and AIBs pricing AM5 MBs above 300 bucks Zen4 is gonna be priced out of the DIY market. For price comparison:

13400 probably MSRP = $200 + MSI B660M-A PRO WIFI DDR4 = $140 + 32 GB DDR4-4000 CL18 = $120 - > SUM = $460
7600X probably MSRP = $250 + MSI PRO X670-P WIFI =$315 + 32BG DDR5-6000 CL30 = $310 -> SUM = $875

This translates into Zen4 being DOA no matter how AMD prices Zen4. And I'd be really surprised if 6700X MSPR gets sub $250 price tag given the fact that TSMC is rising prices.

 

[Chane]

It doesn't matter. With only DDR5 as an option and AIBs pricing AM5 MBs above 300 bucks Zen4 is gonna be priced out of the DIY market. For price comparison:

13400 probably MSRP = $200 + MSI B660M-A PRO WIFI DDR4 = $140 + 32 GB DDR4-4000 CL18 = $120 - > SUM = $460
7600X probably MSRP = $250 + MSI PRO X670-P WIFI =$315 + 32BG DDR5-6000 CL30 = $310 -> SUM = $875

This translates into Zen4 being DOA no matter how AMD prices Zen4. And I'd be really surprised if 6700X MSPR gets sub $250 price tag given the fact that TSMC is rising prices.

I get the idea of the price comparison, but those motherboards aren't even comparable. You can't overclock CPUs at all on an Intel B660, whereas you can on an AMD B650 which would be in the same price bracket. You can also get DDR5-5600 kits at about $185 according to pcpartpicker.

 

[BlaezaLite]

Oh Intel, I love you so much....

Lets stop with the assumptions and just be patient and wait and see.

 

[ModEl4]

Sure be patient and wait for 3rd part reviews and official pricing for both AMD & Intel!
So no declaring winners when Zen4 reviews go live because I think people will be surprised with Raptor Lake's gaming performance (already they start to realize the MT performance difference, hence the comments regarding what pricing AMD must follow...)

 

[openbox1980]

what I want to know is if AMD can match performance at lower power consumption.

Also 16 threads matching 24 threads, not bad

They already do in the real world.

 

[noel_fs]

probably at 65% of the power intel is using

 

[ARF]

Hmm...
Ryzen 9 5950X CPU-Z MC: 11906
Core i9-13900K CPU-Z MC: 16630 Intel's Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU outperforms Intel Core i9-12900K and Ryzen 9 5950X CPUs in new Benchmark - TechnoSports

40% faster!

It doesn't matter. With only DDR5 as an option and AIBs pricing AM5 MBs above 300 bucks Zen4 is gonna be priced out of the DIY market. For price comparison:

13400 probably MSRP = $200 + MSI B660M-A PRO WIFI DDR4 = $140 + 32 GB DDR4-4000 CL18 = $120 - > SUM = $460
7600X probably MSRP = $250 + MSI PRO X670-P WIFI =$315 + 32BG DDR5-6000 CL30 = $310 -> SUM = $875

This translates into Zen4 being DOA no matter how AMD prices Zen4. And I'd be really surprised if 6700X MSPR gets sub $250 price tag given the fact that TSMC is rising prices.

It wouldn't surprise me, TBH. I am waiting for a flop from AMD, which will come at some point.

 

[mechtech]

but but but......can I play cinebench???

 

[tussinman]

It doesn't matter. With only DDR5 as an option and AIBs pricing AM5 MBs above 300 bucks Zen4 is gonna be priced out of the DIY market. For price comparison:

13400 probably MSRP = $200 + MSI B660M-A PRO WIFI DDR4 = $140 + 32 GB DDR4-4000 CL18 = $120 - > SUM = $460
7600X probably MSRP = $250 + MSI PRO X670-P WIFI =$315 + 32BG DDR5-6000 CL30 = $310 -> SUM = $875

This translates into Zen4 being DOA no matter how AMD prices Zen4. And I'd be really surprised if 6700X MSPR gets sub $250 price tag given the fact that TSMC is rising prices.

First few weeks will be rough but supposedly the word from the manufactuerss is B boards coming 3 to 4 weeks after launch which will signficantly lower the price. 32GB DDR5-5600 (which is the recommened frequency) can be had now a days for as low as $170.

B boards and DDR5 5600 turns that $875 into $570 which is alot more manageable (still a little high but far from DOA)

I get the idea of the price comparison, but those motherboards aren't even comparable. You can't overclock CPUs at all on an Intel B660, whereas you can on an AMD B650 which would be in the same price bracket

Yeah I didn't even factor in the board + the 13400 being a non-k CPU (intel intentionally gimped the ram overclocking for non-k cpus) there's no way he's hitting 4000 on that ram, there's like a 60-70% chance he doesn't even hit 3600mhz (12400 was really bad on ram overclocking)

 

[Frank_100]

No AVX512 on Intel.

That pretty much ends the debate for anyone using software that takes advantage AVX512.