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Tahiti sounds about right. Though Pitcairn, Tonga, Hawaii and Fiji are nice too ;)

I had a pretty good time on Curacao and Antigua.

EDIT: Oh, and on Ellesmere, too.
 
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I don't think it will have as big of an impact as most people think.

New PC owners won't risk it (no warranty, limited places to buy, reputation for the used market isn't great)

More enthusiast people like us will logically skip it because we were active in the community summer of 2014 and summer of 2018 so we all saw first-hand the backlash that happened the last 2 times used crypto cards flooded the markets (bricked and artifacting cards being send out by the hundreds of thousands).

Probably the most noticeable will be used cards in the price brackets that literally don't have a new card in (EX: 1080, 1070, 2060 sub $200) but even then those are very old cards and your still dealing with a decent amount of risk
 

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And then Nvidia followed that up with the GTX 1630 for the same price which is even slower than both. When Nvidia's graphics dept joins AMD on that island (apparently along with Intel's discrete division), all we'll be left with is iGPUs.

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This is really nuts :kookoo:
50% higher performance for less money :D

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For 30 dollars more on that site you can have the 1650, that is about the same performance but have much better features the 6400 is missing. It's a much better offering. That difference in pricing is because Nvidia knows the 6400 is kneecapped
 

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I have lots of hobbies too but they all involve a PC; my hobbies are RTS, Turn Base, FPS, MOBA, Battle Royale ;)
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the 3080 and 3070 hit new lows today. I only watch 4 online stores, Best Buy, B&H, Newegg and amazon (if anyone has any other good ones let me know so I can add them to my list) and only look at products that come from them and not other sellers. I found a 3070 for $499 and a 3080 for $699. This is the lowest ive seen them so far in the weeks ive been watching. The lowest I have found a 3080 12G is $769. Oh and an RX 6900 XT for $699.
So you're seeing msrp.

For what its worth, where I live and what we pay for power currently. 'and its only gonna get worse most likely..'
I pay about 10+$/ month with the low power draw 'around 230W from the wall when I game' system under my specs and I barely play 1-3 hours/day on average rest is light use like watching YT/movie,etc.

So that makes it ~120$/year with my very basic use case and a low power system.
Doesn't sound much but it adds up and since I'm getting a RTX 3060 Ti next week it will be more. 'oh my household wasn't happy about that one I tell ya..:rolleyes:'
I kinda need the heat Geforce is making. It's getting cold in here. 18°, why am I still not wearing any clothes? Even my laundry needs an app :respect:

New PC owners won't risk it (no warranty, limited places to buy, reputation for the used market isn't great)

It's like saying you won't adopt a dog because it had a bad owner. 70%+ of my PC is from second hand market. No warranty. Whatever is good is good. Good silicon is good silicon, functional. I don't care if it's in a sealed box, used by a conscious owner or is sand on the beach. If it works I buys it

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It's like saying you won't adopt a dog because it had a bad owner. 70%+ of my PC is from second hand market. No warranty. Whatever is good is good. Good silicon is good silicon, functional. I don't care if it's in a sealed box, used by a conscious owner or is sand on the beach. If it works I buys it
No I was speaking more in general terms for the general/average electronic buyer (which is what I personally deal with for a professional living). Most of them would not touch the secondhand market for obvious reasons
 
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So you're seeing msrp.
Except for the rx 6900 xt which is $300 below. Of course, the point wasen't that they were cheap, just that they are trending downward.
 
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Except for the rx 6900 xt which is $300 below. Of course, the point wasen't that they were cheap, just that they are trending downward.
If 4080 comes with 16gb or 4090 comes at 1500$, I may get a bit upset.
But still, my 920$ 3090 was a captain's decision. I'm already using over 16gb in some cases.

The point I didn't wait more for used market prices to go any lower was: I thought a used card is like tomato, you get fresh ones if you get up early and rotten ones if you arrive in the evening
 

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Jensen made a comment that it be Q2nd 23 when they release the 40xx range.
Dude, nVidia Geforce official Twitter account changed its avatar to ProjectBeyond
nVidia website said the September 20th Jensen's speech is "game-changing"

It's not some kopite7kimi's bs

I got tired of waiting and just picked one up :).
You did well. I reached a point where I realized waiting would give me a brain damage which could cost more than twice any msrp
 

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Dude, nVidia Geforce official Twitter account changed its avatar to ProjectBeyond
nVidia website said the September 20th Jensen's speech is "game-changing"

It's not some kopite7kimi's bs


You did well. I reached a point where I realized waiting would give me a brain damage which could cost more than twice any msrp

Well i have 0 interest in any PC using 500-700w+, yeah i could of waited a little longer and most likely should of waited until next month, but at least i got the one i wanted HAHA.

Ohh i payed no were near double haha.
 
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I reckon project beyond will be some kind of real time AI integration into game engines, perhaps something similar to mac rosetta where it can translate x86 code into apple code for m1 etc. - usage of this to add RTRT and DLSS into every game?

That or something less interesting like offloading some jobs to asic type dedicated silicon, so the CPU/GPU core has more resources for pure FPS.
 
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Got tired of waiting as well. Got a used gigabyte 3080ti water force wb for 710 off eBay at the end of July. That's around what I would pay for a card + waterblock. Works fine.

Nvidia priced me out of retail with the 10xx series. Been buying used since.
 

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pretty sure 710 can land you a 12GB 192 bit version of 4080 and 100 watts lower power usage at the end of 2022, 33% faster than the 3080 Ti.
 
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pretty sure 710 can land you a 12GB 192 bit version of 4080 and 100 watts lower power usage at the end of 2022, 33% faster than the 3080 Ti.
Well, we will see. I have doubts about availability Also, will that 710 also include a waterblock?
 

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It's highly unlikely that Geforce twitter account teases like that, and we only see an algorithm, not actual cards.

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4080 won't be 699$
Watch the jay2cents video I posted earlier. It's Jensen's voice. He wants to reduce the sell-in. It obviously means a raise in msrp is coming. He's holding back supply to keep the prices from falling more.

This video
 

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4080 12GB is on the same level as 3080 12 /Ti, of course with the speed 50% unplift, the card that is a step up pricewise could be 4080 16GB although I doubt it, more likely 4080/12 will be cheaper. JAy is in damage control mode since his preposterous claims that we should rush and buy the overpriced cards and can't be trusted anymore. And fair enough 3080 12/ Ti haven't budged much but that is because supply is thin while nvidia is secretly converting all remaining GA102 based cards to 3070 Ti in effort to hold the line high but they can't possibly succeed.
 

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That was Jensen's voice.
He said we have cards, we don't put them on the shelves.

Why? If they put them on shelf (flood the market) price will decrease. Does that sound like 699$ for 4080 to you?

There will never be a 16gb 4080. May be in 2025 a remake version like the 12gb rtx2060
 
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in case you missed inflation in the US is still very high, so more pain, less money, less cards sold especially if they want to keep crazy MSRP. I predict some sales right after release or MSRP must came way down.

PS: this may not apply to the 4080ti and such as those wallets are always full, but the rest will suffer.
 
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4080 12GB is on the same level as 3080 12 /Ti, of course with the speed 50% unplift, the card that is a step up pricewise could be 4080 16GB although I doubt it, more likely 4080/12 will be cheaper. JAy is in damage control mode since his preposterous claims that we should rush and buy the overpriced cards and can't be trusted anymore. And fair enough 3080 12/ Ti haven't budged much but that is because supply is thin while nvidia is secretly converting all remaining GA102 based cards to 3070 Ti in effort to hold the line high but they can't possibly succeed.
... so, you understand that GPUs on shelves or on their way to shelves left Nvidia's (Samsung's, really, plus whoever does their packaging) production lines something like 3-4 months ago, right? If they're "converting all remaining GA102 based cards to 3070 Ti", that would either entail an entirely unprecedented programme of BIOS limiting already produced GPUs (which would of course be a massive problem, as they would have coolers and designs meant for 3080 12/Tis, and they'd have to issue massive refunds to AIB partners), or they would have to recall shipped GPUs to reconfigure them, which ... yeah, not happening. That would cost tens if not hundreds of millions, be a logistics nightmare, require implementing a high tech production line for a process that's never been done before at any type of scale, and cause massive lawsuits from AIB partners. Not to mention the difficulty of reconfiguring a GPU die after it's been packaged and had its model number laser etched onto the die in the first place.

Watch the jay2cents video I posted earlier. It's Jensen's voice. He wants to reduce the sell-in. It obviously means a raise in msrp is coming. He's holding back supply to keep the prices from falling more.
This video
Wow, that is surprisingly candid even for an earnings call. And Jay's analysis (to the degree that he does anything more than just reformulating what was said out of corporate BS bingo-land and into more plain language) seems spot on. That is Nvidia's CEO saying straight out that they're limiting how many 30 series GPUs retailers are currently getting access to in order to keep prices high, in anticipation of the 40 series launch. The only possible reasons for that being "in anticipation of" that launch is to either make the 40 series look good - same price, but more performance! - or to make it look not that bad - 20% more expensive, but you get 20% more performance too! Going by their wording and the overall angle of Jensen's presentation, the latter seems far more likely, as it's clear that they really don't want lower prices, and are willing to sit on inventory in order to do so.
 
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Wow, that is surprisingly candid even for an earnings call. And Jay's analysis (to the degree that he does anything more than just reformulating what was said out of corporate BS bingo-land and into more plain language) seems spot on. That is Nvidia's CEO saying straight out that they're limiting how many 30 series GPUs retailers are currently getting access to in order to keep prices high, in anticipation of the 40 series launch. The only possible reasons for that being "in anticipation of" that launch is to either make the 40 series look good - same price, but more performance! - or to make it look not that bad - 20% more expensive, but you get 20% more performance too! Going by their wording and the overall angle of Jensen's presentation, the latter seems far more likely, as it's clear that they really don't want lower prices, and are willing to sit on inventory in order to do so.

Good supply and low prices will only happen if it suits the manufacturer, at the end of the day.

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... so, you understand that GPUs on shelves or on their way to shelves left Nvidia's (Samsung's, really, plus whoever does their packaging) ....

NVIDIA cards are produced by Samsung?
 
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