AMD Ryzen 7 7700X

[HD64G]

Interesting data, but nobody will use ReBAR off in 2022 and 2023 on a new platform


Was hoping to, but didn't have the time.

"Which benchmark would you like to run for IPC?" was my biggest obstacle

I would suggest mp3 encoder since it is singlethreaded and a real life app, not a benchmark-only program.

 

[FeelinFroggy]

It's funny that I have a 5 year old CPU and at 4k fps has improved 4%. Honestly, this CPU is not for gamers. I dont know anyone who will drop this much for a CPU and game on 1080p. The platform upgrade alone is gonna cost around 1k.

I have thought about an upgrade from my 8700k, but why? If you already have a 6 core CPU, move on from these reviews and wait for the new GPUs to come out and put your money where it will make an actual difference while playing a game.

 

[gffermari]

I don't know if AMD could make them better at gaming. The whole lineup feels like being general use cpus while the gaming lineup is going to be released later.
Instead of having 4 cpus at 5-10% better than 12900/5800X3D, they'll have 4 for general use and 1 or 2 X3Ds which will probably be compromised at productivity tasks but perform at gaming.

I mean....is there a possibility AMD to have limited the gaming performance in order to see how the Raptor Lake perform and act accordingly?

 

[AusWolf]

I mean....is there a possibility AMD to have limited the gaming performance in order to see how the Raptor Lake perform and act accordingly?

I don't think they're "limited". They are still great CPUs giving older Intel CPUs a beating. Of course, 3D cache Zen 4 will be even better at gaming, but that doesn't make these any worse than they are. I mean, the 7700X runs circles around my 11700 which is already a good gaming CPU.

It's funny that I have a 5 year old CPU and at 4k fps has improved 4%. Honestly, this CPU is not for gamers. I dont know anyone who will drop this much for a CPU and game on 1080p. The platform upgrade alone is gonna cost around 1k.

I have thought about an upgrade from my 8700k, but why? If you already have a 6 core CPU, move on from these reviews and wait for the new GPUs to come out and put your money where it will make an actual difference while playing a game.

The differences are more pronounced in 1080p, as you're not relying on GPU power that much at lower resolutions.

With that said, I agree that any 6 or 8 core CPU can game. The only reason I'm considering an upgrade is curiosity, nothing more.

 

[leha12345]

Very interesting, so with MAX PBO 7700x is 2% faster than my 12600kf(R23 multi 19880 multi and 2015 point single core), which basically is the same performance.

mine running at 52-51 on pcores and 41 on ecores and benches at 190W but at only *90C* on 360 aio.

Why did amd create they own 12600k a year late, called it 7700x and are charging through the roof?

oh and 12700k OC'ed is at least 18% faster than 7700x MAX PBO numbers presented here, in multicore. Given that 13600k is going to very closely match 12700k means it will be much faster than 7700x.

 

[AusWolf]

I've just spotted the 7700X at a UK store for £429. Not bad. Not excellent, but not bad.

Shame that the only m-ATX board available is some Asus hyper-super ultra gaming stuff for over £500. That's about 300 more than I would consider spending on a motherboard. Does anyone know when B650 and B650E boards are coming?

 

[Mussels]

Frames per watt is something I want to see more of, some surprises in that chart.

It's about what I expected, matching a 12700\12900 (outside of 1080p we're GPU limited in almost every title anyway) at far lower wattages


I'm not keen on 90c temps so I'll wait and see if a new IHS revision works on that

 

[zenlaserman]

The temperatures are insane, even with a high end cooler. Don't believe AMDs marketing that 95C is "fine" or "ok".

Why not? I've had AMD (and Intel) stuff run at 85-95C for over a decade and still work fine. I always laugh at people paranoid about their temperatures.

Are you a professional overclocker trying to get every last bit of performance out of your system for a hail mary screenshot? No? Relax, your effing temps are fine.

 

[W1zzard]

Frames per watt is something I want to see more of,

Like you want changes, or just keep seeing it in its current form in all CPU reviews?

 

[KrazedOmega]

Why not? I've had AMD (and Intel) stuff run at 85-95C for over a decade and still work fine. I always laugh at people paranoid about their temperatures.

Are you a professional overclocker trying to get every last bit of performance out of your system for a hail mary screenshot? No? Relax, your effing temps are fine.

95C may be fine for the CPU lifespan, but it is not ok for the heat dumped into the room and noise from your fans flying along at high RPM to keep it cool.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

95C may be fine for the CPU lifespan, but it is not ok for the heat dumped into the room and noise from your fans flying along at high RPM to keep it cool.

Temperature and heat are related, but they are not the same. 100W from your processor is 100W, whether it runs at 70C or 95C. With a smaller node and die, Z4 concentrates dissipation of that 100W into a smaller area than Z3, hence the higher temps. Since Z4 is designed to run at 95C, set your max fan speed to what you find tolerable, and let the CPU work within the thermal envelope available.

 

[gffermari]

Impressive!!

 

[blued]

Things like this will ruin AMD's day: 12700F @ Amazon = $314. If that were in the price/perf chart, it would probably be top spot.

p.s. and Intel z690 boards are also getting cheap. Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX @ $199 (about $100 less than what it was months ago).

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Things like this will ruin AMD's day: 12700F @ Amazon = $314. If that were in the price/perf chart, it would probably be top spot.

No kidding. It took me until this year to grab a Ryzen because Micro Center kept having last-gen xx700Ks for about 200 bucks.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Things like this will ruin AMD's day: 12700F @ Amazon = $314. If that were in the price/perf chart, it would probably be top spot.

p.s. and Intel z690 boards are also getting cheap. Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX @ $199 (about $100 less than what it was months ago).

I think only the 7950X is selling, and it's selling like a flagship product (relatively slow). Quite bizarre, but understandable. At Best Buy it is #5 seller, no other Zen Sku before it. MC is funny, Zen 4 are literally the lowest sellers with 7950X the best of the lot. And the #1 selling AM5 motherboard is a $999 Asus Rog Crosshair Extreme.

Only the rich, or perhaps fiscally irresponsible, enthusiasts are buying.

 

[AusWolf]

I think only the 7950X is selling, and it's selling like a flagship product (relatively slow). Quite bizarre, but understandable. At Best Buy it is #5 seller, no other Zen Sku before it. MC is funny, Zen 4 are literally the lowest sellers with 7950X the best of the lot. And the #1 selling AM5 motherboard is a $999 Asus Rog Crosshair Extreme.

Only the rich, or perhaps fiscally irresponsible, enthusiasts are buying.

That's no surprise considering that B650 motherboards are still nowhere to be seen, and the only m-ATX X670 board I've found sells north of £500. That's the price of a whole computer for some people.

I myself am waiting for B650 and RDNA 3 to be out before I decide to either do a platform upgrade or settle with an Arc A770.

 

[trparky]

I myself am waiting for B650

Me too. These X670 boards are way too rich for my blood. I’m really hoping that by the time the more, shall we say, mainstream boards come out DDR5 will also be cheaper as well.

Then, I’ll make my decision on what to go with.

 

[Melvis]

I'm not keen on 90c temps so I'll wait and see if a new IHS revision works on that

Tell me more? First ive heard of this, are they redoing it?

 

[vekspec]

for equivalent tier set-up, it'll set me back $1500. $1500 for 95%->99% relative performance at 1440P with a 3080. And a whopping 10s quicker than my 5900x in Adobe. Hard pass for me right now.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Me too. These X670 boards are way too rich for my blood. I’m really hoping that by the time the more, shall we say, mainstream boards come out DDR5 will also be cheaper as well.

Then, I’ll make my decision on what to go with.

I've been reading up on the new X670E boards.

FWIW, I'm seeing good stuff. The cheapest X670E I could find is the ASRock PG Lightning at $260.

This is an 8-layer motherboard with 2oz copper layer. That's impressive when you consider that on MSI's lineup (as example), normally the 8-layer boards start with the Carbon, everything below that is typically 6 layer. The layers are important for clean signals on high speed DDR5. Igor's used the PG Lightning in their Zen 4 DDR5 OC article.

Not sure if this is a one-off or an overall trend on the next gen DDR5 boards.

 

[trparky]

And how is ASRock when it comes to quality? I thought ASUS usually took the crown.

 

[RandallFlagg]

And how is ASRock when it comes to quality? I thought ASUS usually took the crown.

Nobody reviews low or midrange boards until 3-6 months after a launch, but Igor's was using it for RAM OC.

Asus and MSI have the best rep on Z690. ASRock has had bad VRM designs, while Gigabyte has BIOS issues and DDR5 compatibility problems. I have a preference for Asus myself, but once you get past ASRock's offerings you're talking $450+ for a X670E.

 

[LuxZg]

I've been reading up on the new X670E boards.

FWIW, I'm seeing good stuff. The cheapest X670E I could find is the ASRock PG Lightning at $260.

This is an 8-layer motherboard with 2oz copper layer. That's impressive when you consider that on MSI's lineup (as example), normally the 8-layer boards start with the Carbon, everything below that is typically 6 layer. The layers are important for clean signals on high speed DDR5. Igor's used the PG Lightning in their Zen 4 DDR5 OC article.

Not sure if this is a one-off or an overall trend on the next gen DDR5 boards.

Same here (Croatia), PG Lightning is cheapest AM5 board, and it's "E", so kudos to ASRock. All we can hope they release similarly with B650E.

Also, side note, somehow I've found this memory scaling article only today:

DDR5 Ryzen 7 7700 DDR5 memory scaling review

You've likely just read our Ryzen 7000 reviews. and will have noticed that AMD calls DDR5 6000MHz /30CL a sweet spot. It, however might not be a sweet spot for your wallet, ergo we take a look at how...

www.guru3d.com

From what I see, all workloads except 7-zip compression, and all gaming at 4K, 1-3% with 6000/CL30 RAM. But compared to 4800/CL42 !!

So if ASRock can pump out good cheap B650E boards, pick lowest end DDR5, and you're good to go. Will save a whole boatload of money compared to this first wave.

Edit:
WOW!! That "Fixing Ryzen 7000" video is really insane! Sure silicon lottery a bit, but wow, just what I wanted! Perf same or better, temps and power way lower!

 

[AusWolf]

Same here (Croatia), PG Lightning is cheapest AM5 board, and it's "E", so kudos to ASRock. All we can hope they release similarly with B650E.

Also, side note, somehow I've found this memory scaling article only today:

DDR5 Ryzen 7 7700 DDR5 memory scaling review

You've likely just read our Ryzen 7000 reviews. and will have noticed that AMD calls DDR5 6000MHz /30CL a sweet spot. It, however might not be a sweet spot for your wallet, ergo we take a look at how...

www.guru3d.com

From what I see, all workloads except 7-zip compression, and all gaming at 4K, 1-3% with 6000/CL30 RAM. But compared to 4800/CL42 !!

So if ASRock can pump out good cheap B650E boards, pick lowest end DDR5, and you're good to go. Will save a whole boatload of money compared to this first wave.

Finally, no point paying extra for high-speed RAM with AMD! Lovely. All we need now is B650 boards to be affordable.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Same here (Croatia), PG Lightning is cheapest AM5 board, and it's "E", so kudos to ASRock. All we can hope they release similarly with B650E.

Also, side note, somehow I've found this memory scaling article only today:

DDR5 Ryzen 7 7700 DDR5 memory scaling review

You've likely just read our Ryzen 7000 reviews. and will have noticed that AMD calls DDR5 6000MHz /30CL a sweet spot. It, however might not be a sweet spot for your wallet, ergo we take a look at how...

www.guru3d.com

From what I see, all workloads except 7-zip compression, and all gaming at 4K, 1-3% with 6000/CL30 RAM. But compared to 4800/CL42 !!

So if ASRock can pump out good cheap B650E boards, pick lowest end DDR5, and you're good to go. Will save a whole boatload of money compared to this first wave.

Edit:
WOW!! That "Fixing Ryzen 7000" video is really insane! Sure silicon lottery a bit, but wow, just what I wanted! Perf same or better, temps and power way lower!

You have to take Guru3D with a big does of salt and doubt though. They are one of the sites that tests with JEDEC normally, for one. That's extremely misleading to any DIY builder.

For another, that scaling article is only showing 4 games. It's fairly meaningless to infer anything from such a small sample.

I think you'll find, when more thorough tests come out, that article to be dead wrong about no Zen 4 memory scaling. Alder Lake can scale +15-20% on some games in both 1% low and average. Zen 4 won't scale as much I think, because its larger cache is already keeping the cores fed better, but from what I've seen so far it does scale more than what guru3d suggest.

If however they (guru3d) are correct and scaling is minimal at best, that's bad for Zen 4.

Think about it.