Upgrade to 5600X or 5800X3D - gaming purpose 1440P/144HZ

[QuietBob]

Anyone have recommendations for a good air cooler? Have to fit in a NZXT H510!

You'd want a high-end cooler for the 5800X3D. Your case has maximum clearance of 165mm and two of the most capable HSFs -- Deepcool Assassin III and Noctua NH-D15 -- are exactly that. I wouldn't bet on them though. The Noctua NH-U12A is the best compact cooler and should easily clear your case at 158mm. Still, it's the most expensive of the bunch. The bequiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 is a good alternative and should just fit at 163mm.

In any case, remember to check your RAM for height compatibility.

 

[vvtunes]

A) Keep your current rig until new 7xxx cpus (and gpus?) come out. You may switch to a more robust am5 compatible cooler now and even play a little bit with overclocking;
B) Maximise your current rig with the most powerful am4 cpu available - 5800x3d plus a robust cooler - in order to try to mitigate any existing "bottlenecks" due to the older 3700x;
C) I think 3700x vs 5600x will only be a short term solution and not a very significant upgrade.

 

[tussinman]

I can get a 5600X for €210, whereas a 5800X3D goes for €440. I don't mind saving up for a 5800X3D but is it worth it? Purely gaming on a single monitor 1440P/144HZ.

5800X3D is a monster CPU but €440 is a lot of money.

You could even meet in the middle and get something like the 5700X for €270 which has very good thermals (meaning you won't have to blow a bunch of money on cooling) and would give you 2 extra cores compared to the 5600X (€270 is a good price)

 

[freeagent]

Thermalright FC140 is an awesome cooler. X3D does not run hot for me, like at all.

 

[Colddecked]

5800X3D seems like the way to go for ''high end'' at the moment.

Anyone have recommendations for a good air cooler? Have to fit in a NZXT H510!

Thats the nice thing about the 3d its "high end" without the high platform cost.

Peerless Assassin 120, Frost Sprit 140, AK620 all should fit. I've got the frost sprit on mine right now works great with it.

 

[INSTG8R]

Thermalright FC140 is an awesome cooler. X3D does not run hot for me, like at all.

Stop making me question my mount!! Mine runs easy 5C more on average than my 5600X. Now I suppose more cores means more heat but then there is entire thread on keeping the 5800X cool so I suppose I should expect it to run slightly warmer than a 6 core...I mean I'm being pedantic really I'm under a proper EK Block so even what I consider "high" is most certainly well within safe limits. I just want my 30c idle back not 37C at best....

 

[freeagent]

Stop making me question my mount!! Mine runs easy 5C more on average than my 5600X. Now I suppose more cores means more heat but then there is entire thread on keeping the 5800X cool so I suppose I should expect it to run slightly warmer than a 6 core...I mean I'm being pedantic really I'm under a proper EK Block so even what I consider "high" is most certainly well within safe limits. I just want my 30c idle back not 37C at best....

I guess it wouldn’t help if I mentioned I was only using one fan?

 

[AleXXX666]

I noticed you are using the stock AMD cooler. While I heard good things about it, I am not sure if it would be sufficient for the 5800X3D. So a new cooler might also something to factor into your decision.

well, I won't run 5600X under IT'S stock heatsink too lol
"old school" "copper-core" - maybe, but not this small alu BS meant for Athlon.

Hi everyone, I'm in a dilemma with upgrading my rig.

Currently running a 3700X and 5700XT. Definitely gonna upgrade my GPU to a 6800XT, but I also want to upgrade my CPU to squeeze more FPS.

I was thinking I could go for a 5600X (less cores but better for gaming). But since the release of AM5, I have read many people recommending a 5800X3D because it's just that good. However, is it worth based on price/performance?

I can get a 5600X for €210, whereas a 5800X3D goes for €440. I don't mind saving up for a 5800X3D but is it worth it? Purely gaming on a single monitor 1440P/144HZ.

Hope anyone can give some of their insight

EUR 440 is definitely i9/R9 price tag. My verdict: overprice! It maybe fantastic and blah blah blah, but it shouldn't cost same as more threaded brother.

 

[gffermari]

It is overpriced due to the fact that it's a Zen 4 level performer in the AM4. You have to pay for that or move to AM5/1700.

The idle temps are great while the peaks are ok and the all core load ones pretty bad. No matter what cooling, the temps are high because of the design of the chip. Only the undervolting makes the temps somewhat reasonable.

 

[freeagent]

Define high?

I saw under 80c running occt for an hour.

 

[Colddecked]

Define high?

I saw under 80c running occt for an hour.

Yeah but your ambient temp is like -20. At least that's what I think it is according to my preconceived notions about Canada.

Kidding aside, I just did a 10 min CB23 run and maxed out at 84 with about 27 ambient temp. -20 offset on all cores, Frost Sprit 140.. i've been working on validating in Core Cycler and its looking good for 24 hrs...

 

[freeagent]

Yeah but your ambient temp is like -20. At least that's what I think it is according to my preconceived notions about Canada.

Lol it was 22 in my space

 

[gffermari]

....-25 on all cores, idle at 30-33 and while I game at 52-62 degrees (depends on the game), the temp climbs up to 80-82 on R23.
The Assassins Creed Odyssey managed to surpass the R23 temps during loading/darn DRM checking, with peak at 84.

...yes custom water cooling(cpu+gpu) with 3x240 rads (practically two active).

 

[Colddecked]

....-25 on all cores, idle at 30-33 and while I game at 52-62 degrees (depends on the game), the temp climbs up to 80-82 on R23.
The Assassins Creed Odyssey managed to surpass the R23 temps during loading/darn DRM checking, with peak at 84.

...yes custom water cooling(cpu+gpu) with 3x240 rads (practically two active).

I've got a 3900 on custom water and was thinking about moving the 3d over to that setup, but if those are the temps you're getting I think I'll be keeping it on air.

 

[gffermari]

The water temp remains stable during R23 bench at 26 degrees. It's pretty obvious that the heat is not transfered to the loop.
(During gaming, the water temp is 36-38.)

It's common to anyone with X3Ds and big AIOs or custom WC.

 

[rbgc]

I used i9-9900K@5GHz for games (1080p and 1440p) and upgraded to 5800X3D. And new perf in games was shock. My best battlestation CPU upgrade ever. My next CPU will be "Zen5" 3D V-Cache 8 cores CPU.

 

[QuietBob]

Here's mine idling in a 22c room, with CO -30 on all cores. CPU fan running at 400 rpm:

 

[freeagent]

After dinner I will mount my 2x other CPU fans that I would normally use... it might even be a bit quieter

 

[Provin915]

I have a 5600X/6800XT and can confirm the combo is fantastic, 5800X3D/6800XT will be even better with higher and more consistent 1 and 0.1% lows. 1440p @ mixed high/ultra settings usually nets me 100+ FPS in nearly anything. Sometimes I can even enable some light RT if I drop the settings to high.

As for a cooler recommendation, here's Noctua's official compatibility list for the H510. I know it's just one brand but it should give you a good picture of what kind of coolers will be able to fit in the case.

Happy upgrading!

Thank you very much. It's gonna be a tight fit I think but I will take my time to check the compatible coolers!

3700X is still a powerfull CPU. I would upgrade the GPU first and see if you have a limitation in the games you play. Then save money for or buy a 5800X3D if you already have the cash.

You're completely right, the GPU upgrade is gonna come first.

You'd want a high-end cooler for the 5800X3D. Your case has maximum clearance of 165mm and two of the most capable HSFs -- Deepcool Assassin III and Noctua NH-D15 -- are exactly that. I wouldn't bet on them though. The Noctua NH-U12A is the best compact cooler and should easily clear your case at 158mm. Still, it's the most expensive of the bunch. The bequiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 is a good alternative and should just fit at 163mm.

In any case, remember to check your RAM for height compatibility.

Cool thank you for your advice. Will check for RAM height compatibility.

A) Keep your current rig until new 7xxx cpus (and gpus?) come out. You may switch to a more robust am5 compatible cooler now and even play a little bit with overclocking;
B) Maximise your current rig with the most powerful am4 cpu available - 5800x3d plus a robust cooler - in order to try to mitigate any existing "bottlenecks" due to the older 3700x;
C) I think 3700x vs 5600x will only be a short term solution and not a very significant upgrade.

Exactly as your said on point C. I don't think I can wait until newer gen of CPUs and GPUs will come out xD.

5800X3D is a monster CPU but €440 is a lot of money.

You could even meet in the middle and get something like the 5700X for €270 which has very good thermals (meaning you won't have to blow a bunch of money on cooling) and would give you 2 extra cores compared to the 5600X (€270 is a good price)

Hmmm I haven't checked the 5700X. All I know is that the 5700X wasn't worth it when it got released. Not sure about it right now.

In any case, I'd like to thank everyone for their effort and posts!

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

There have been tests of Windows 11 and Windows 11 often has better lows in FPS rates than 10.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I guess it wouldn’t help if I mentioned I was only using one fan?

Unless both of you have identical ambient, with identical motherboards, and identical cases/fans. Comparing temps is irrelevant.

 

[tussinman]

All I know is that the 5700X wasn't worth it when it got released.

I think your confusing the 5700X with another processor. The 5700X was critically acclaimed when it was released (it released at the same MSRP as the original 5600X but had 2 more cores, had great thermals, helped bring down the price of the 5800X since it was almost identical but 100 dollars cheaper).

 

[Cowboystrekk]

If you buy 5700X and care to overclock ram, run pbo/co etc you could close much of the gap between that and 5800X3D (15-20% vs 25%) since ram tuning matters less for 5800X3D and you can use pbo.

 

[SL2]

Are there benchmarks out there showing how the 5800X3D scales with different graphics cards?

I've seen 5800X3D being recommended no matter which GPU it will be paired with, which doesn't make sense to me, but I could be wrong.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Are there benchmarks out there showing how the 5800X3D scales with different graphics cards?

I've seen 5800X3D being recommended no matter which GPU it will be paired with, which doesn't make sense to me, but I could be wrong.

The logic is that the min fps will be much higher (meaning even on mid range gpus the performance will be smoother) and also there isn't likely going to be a better gaming cpu on Am4 which means it elimnates fomo only the OP can decide what that's worth.

Also and somthing I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this a 5800X3D will outperform Any ryzen 5000 cpu with a budget 3200 ram kit vs a really high end dual rank bdie kit which gives the non 3D cpu much better performance at the 3600/3800 CL14 range especially the all important min fps at least with a relatively high end gpu.

I'd personally ignore any non 3D AM4 cpu as a potential upgrade at this point but I'm not the OP. There is enough information out there from reputable reviewers to make an inform decision. on this or any forum he's going to get one of two answers save money get the 5700X or don't waste your money on anything less than a 5800X3D neither view is wrong but what most aligns with how the op feels only he can answer.