Windows 11 General Discussion

[RJARRRPCGP]

Heads up! The 22H2 ISO comes with the "botch-Tuesday" from August, IIRC. SFC, TMK, will report corrupted files on a clean install and it's because CBS reports corrupted Bluetooth file(s)!

 

[P4-630]

Options to optimize gaming performance in Windows 11 - Microsoft Support

Directions for turning off memory integrity and the Virtual Machine Platform to improve gaming performance, and the risks of doing so.

prod.support.services.microsoft.com

 

[Mussels]

Options to optimize gaming performance in Windows 11 - Microsoft Support

Directions for turning off memory integrity and the Virtual Machine Platform to improve gaming performance, and the risks of doing so.

prod.support.services.microsoft.com

Interesting that they give a guide to this directly.

We should make @W1zzard test them out, before and after

 

[OneMoar]

but this doesn't kill it on any AMD system I tested
it still reports virtualization based security is "running"
the only way to kill it is to disable SVM in the bios

 

[Chrispy_]

I'm still not seeing any reason to run W11 on a gaming machine, and after a year of running it as a daily on my laptops, I can't really say there's a single improvement in the UI that makes it worth bothering with. If you are a gamer and run into scheduler issues with W10 and alder lake, you can adjust processor affinity for that game, but you'd need to be a gamer with enough productivity reasons to leave the E-cores enabled in the first place...

I have tried not to "revert" it to W10 behaviour so that I can learn and adjust to the interface changes, but as someone who is daily'ing both OSes, using W10 is easy and using W11 is still annoying as hell. I've almost stopped thinking about how dumb all the extra clicks to get to things is, but it's just awkward and clumsy in daily use and no amount of 'getting used to it' will change that.

 

[Mussels]

I'm still not seeing any reason to run W11 on a gaming machine, and after a year of running it as a daily on my laptops, I can't really say there's a single improvement in the UI that makes it worth bothering with. If you are a gamer and run into scheduler issues with W10 and alder lake, you can adjust processor affinity for that game, but you'd need to be a gamer with enough productivity reasons to leave the E-cores enabled in the first place...

I have tried not to "revert" it to W10 behaviour so that I can learn and adjust to the interface changes, but as someone who is daily'ing both OSes, using W10 is easy and using W11 is still annoying as hell. I've almost stopped thinking about how dumb all the extra clicks to get to things is, but it's just awkward and clumsy in daily use and no amount of 'getting used to it' will change that.

The better app pinning to corners of the screens, better multi monitor support, better gaming support when games are minimised or windowed....

none of that?
The system wide dark theme?

the 10% higher number?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Interesting that they give a guide to this directly.

I think it is a good idea. Microsoft has finally learned (or maybe is still learning - or finally came to their senses and just accepted it) that some users are going to dink with settings no matter how difficult Microsoft makes it. And some users are going to ignore warnings of potential problems no matter how stern the warnings. It is like putting a juicy bone in front of the dog, then telling him to leave it. Or putting a fresh, "HOT" out of the oven chocolate chip cookie on the edge of the table in front of Junior, telling him it is still too "HOT", then leaving the room.

So, if some folks are going to dink with settings anyway, why not show them how to do it safely? It just makes sense to me.

Because what always happens when folks make changes without learning what they are doing first, then something goes wrong? They blame Microsoft!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft has finally learned (or maybe is still learning - or finally came to their senses and just accepted it) that some users are going to dink with settings no matter how difficult Microsoft makes it.

We can only hope.

 

[nomdeplume]

I have tried not to "revert" it to W10 behaviour so that I can learn and adjust to the interface changes, but as someone who is daily'ing both OSes, using W10 is easy and using W11 is still annoying as hell. I've almost stopped thinking about how dumb all the extra clicks to get to things is, but it's just awkward and clumsy in daily use and no amount of 'getting used to it' will change that.

I just cannot imagine using W11 beyond a few critical driver installs without reverting to W10 file explorer. My honest appraisal is certain features were intended for network managed business users. They fully expect, and graciously make it utterly transparent to anyone else, how to rid their machine of these unwanted behaviors.

At least in 22H2 they began the process of reinstating folder thumbnails which otherwise required a lengthy runaround for every single folder. Now just need to get the classic File Explorer ribbon back on this version. Appears they nulled previously working registry change.

I'm still not seeing any reason to run W11 on a gaming machine, and after a year of running it as a daily on my laptops, I can't really say there's a single improvement in the UI that makes it worth bothering with. If you are a gamer and run into scheduler issues with W10 and alder lake, you can adjust processor affinity for that game, but you'd need to be a gamer with enough productivity reasons to leave the E-cores enabled in the first place...

Again with the UI!!!! (OK, you started with it)

Seriously, it is easy to undo any changes so just fix it before the mental strain overwhelms. While you're in there do a blanket job covering as many of the business oriented ills as possible.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I just cannot imagine using W11 beyond a few critical driver installs without reverting to W10 file explorer. My honest appraisal is certain features were intended for network managed business users. They fully expect, and graciously make it utterly transparent to anyone else, how to rid their machine of these unwanted behaviors.

At least in 22H2 they began the process of reinstating folder thumbnails which otherwise required a lengthy runaround for every single folder. Now just need to get the classic File Explorer ribbon back on this version. Appears they nulled previously working registry change.



Again with the UI!!!! (OK, you started with it)

Seriously, it is easy to undo any changes so just fix it before the mental strain overwhelms. While you're in there do a blanket job covering as many of the business oriented ills as possible.

I use 11 and 10, and I don't get the drama personally, I have no issues with either.

And IMHO 11's file explorer is more versatile and it's ui and io simply better.

But I am 6+ months in and used to it.

There's things that were easier to find before but I miss nothing.

Not negating your opinion just offering mine.

I didn't like it initially.

 

[P4-630]

The only thing is , I've tried to install samsung NVMe drivers but for some reason it keeps using the M$ drivers after a restart....
I just leave it then, it just works anyway....

 

[theFOoL]

I've actually now grown to like 11 without the explorer patch and so forth. I've made ISO UEFI and MBR. Life's good

Although of course will make another drive for just testing and stuff

 

[lexluthermiester]

Again with the UI!!!! (OK, you started with it)

That is the main reason I like Win11. The changes and refinements to the UI are what make 11 for me. I'll never go back to 10. I'd sooner go back to Windows 7(which I still prefer) than back to 10.

 

[nomdeplume]

For my use case clicking four times to get to something as simple as "New Folder" that had a nice folder shaped button is absurd. Same with "Undo."

Those are the nice friendly easily discussed issues. Copy/Paste is a nightmare without reverting to a sane right click menu layout. Who in their right mind would reduce their functionality to the point you have to click and pull your mouse to the very bottom of a list twice.

 

[Solaris17]

That is the main reason I like Win11. The changes and refinements to the UI are what make 11 for me. I'll never go back to 10. I'd sooner go back to Windows 7(which I still prefer) than back to 10.

I really like the deep dive technical stuff. Working in the industry I cant and try not to focus on things like GUI. A good engineer can and should use the OS right for the job and these things don't really matter. All of that said.

Does that apply to gamers or even tech enthusiasts? Not always no.

I do actually enjoy the 11 UI though I have adapted pretty well to whatever this era is called with the minimalistic GUI's. Salt to taste though because I loved Vista. I like pretty clear shit.

 

[Frick]

So a question: is it possible to go back to Win10 if I install Win11? I'm tempted to try it just because, but if I dislike it I'd want to be able to go back.

 

[Psychoholic]

That is the main reason I like Win11. The changes and refinements to the UI are what make 11 for me. I'll never go back to 10. I'd sooner go back to Windows 7(which I still prefer) than back to 10.

Same here, I prefer the UI over win10.

Especially the centered Icons on the task bar (I was doing this already in windows 10 via third party software) It just makes sense on an ultrawide.

 

[Shrek]

So a question: is it possible to go back to Win10 if I install Win11? I'm tempted to try it just because, but if I dislike it I'd want to be able to go back.

I went back, but it is a lot more work than going forward; but I went back because my machine was not officially supported, not because I didn't like Windows 11.

 

[theFOoL]

When do ya think M$ will have it where the Rufus bypass will no longer work?

 

[Shrek]

It may be the other way round

My Window's update says
"This PC doesn't currently meet the minimum system requirements to run Windows 11"

I think they are leaving the door open to maybe offering Windows 11 to old machines, or perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part.

 

[theFOoL]

If you are not on 22H2 then you can DL the latest and create a bypass with Rufus and just double click on the setup via the USB created

 

[nomdeplume]

My Window's update says
"This PC doesn't currently meet the minimum system requirements to run Windows 11"

What version?

I successfully updated machines running a few older versions quite recently. i5-4690 HP EliteDesk G2 and a laptop over a decade old to name but two.


In general the UI is better on 11 than 10. They just keep playing the game where you eventually accept something of lower worth by implementing abstract changes that never quite make the turn towards better features. Ostensibly to patch overwhelmingly large security issues and create parity with mobile. Not sure about anyone else, but I use a desktop considerably differently than any mobile architecture device.

 

[Shrek]

I have updated my Core 2 machines to Windows 11 and it runs great, but I wanted it to be supported so I went back to Windows 10 on my main machine.

 

[theFOoL]

I have updated my Core 2 machines to Windows 11 and it runs great, but I wanted it to be supported so I went back to Windows 10 on my main machine.

To my knowledge as long as you are on the bypass you'll be OK well I am at least on my Modded Xeon E5450

 

[Shrek]

Then the watermark turned up, but I found a way to suppress that, and then it finally dawned on me that this was not the route for a machine I depended on for work.

I'm looking forward to Windows 10 22H2; I know there are ways to turn it on right now, but I no longer want to be on the bleeding edge for my main machine.

I still have Windows 11 on a spare Core 2 duo machine, and it runs well.