Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Braegnok]

I agree, i expected a bumpy ride as well but yeah, constant BSODS are a no go.
There have been lots of reports of random BSODs on 22H2 (Regardless of platform) so i just tried to install windows 11 22H1, it didn't even make it through the installer without a "Critical_Structure_Corruption" BSOD.
Windows 10, for whatever reason is fine so far.

I remember my 3900X system being a little funky when it was new, but i dont remember random reboots or bsods.
My alder lake system was fine since launch, glad i didnt immediately sell it

That's good to hear Windows 10, is working fine so far on your system.

I have been running Ghost Spectre Windows 11 Superlite 21H2-64-bit (Stable Build) 22000.194 on X670E Gene, 7950X with no issues now since installing last week.

I wasn't having random BSODs on Windows 11 22H1,.. that would be vary frustrating. I loaded Ghost Spectre Superlite to avoid/remove all the useless features, options running in the background on original Windows 11 22H1.

 

[Dr. Dro]

That's good to hear Windows 10, is working fine so far on your system.

I have been running Ghost Spectre Windows 11 Superlite 21H2-64-bit (Stable Build) 22000.194 on X670E Gene, 7950X with no issues now since installing last week. https://tech-latest.com/ghost-spectre-windows-11/

I wasn't having random BSODs on Windows 11 22H1,.. that would be vary frustrating. I loaded Ghost Spectre Superlite to avoid/remove all the useless features, options running in the background on original Windows 11 22H1.

What's the point of running a heavily modified third party Windows image on such high end specs? I just don't get it. The things that modified image removes do not even remotely weigh on a strong machine such as yours, if anything, they just break numerous functionality and make the OS significantly less reliable. I just don't understand the appeal.

 

[Braegnok]

I have Windows 11 Pro 22H1 installed as my daily driver OS.

I'm simply testing the Superlite Ghost Build,.. I installed it in a VM for testing.

I enjoy running benchmarks with Ghost Build vs OEM Build.

It's all about having fun, playing around with systems. We seem to get too serious with windows these days.

 

[Ruru]

HPET is off by default in most AMD BIOS, might explain why you've got it and most people dont? glad you found it, HPET is seriously old and problematic

I still get few spikes on LatencyMon from time to time, and now they're coming from Nvidia drivers. I'll try few different drivers, but the audio crackling isn't a problem anymore. I've heard only few snaps from time to time, and I guess that after I find a better driver than 517.48, the problem is probably gone.

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

Goddamn
Moved my 5800x to the ITX system, and it refuses to post with XMP.
The infamously shitty corsair LPX strikes again... That ram is gunna go to my x370 system if it wont behave
Edit: 1.1v didnt fix it, wow this RAM really loves to disapoint. It worked on the 2700x, but had issues on the 1400 and 1700 back in the day, too.


HPET is off by default in most AMD BIOS, might explain why you've got it and most people dont? glad you found it, HPET is seriously old and problematic

ok so can someone explain what this mysterious "HPET" is?

What's the point of running a heavily modified third party Windows image on such high end specs? I just don't get it. The things that modified image removes do not even remotely weigh on a strong machine such as yours, if anything, they just break numerous functionality and make the OS significantly less reliable. I just don't understand the appeal.

And that is why you run Linux My ultra lightweight Linux setup will almost certainly put that custom Windows image to shame and yet it is very reliable and stable.

 

[Psychoholic]

That's good to hear Windows 10, is working fine so far on your system.

I have been running Ghost Spectre Windows 11 Superlite 21H2-64-bit (Stable Build) 22000.194 on X670E Gene, 7950X with no issues now since installing last week. https://tech-latest.com/ghost-spectre-windows-11/

I wasn't having random BSODs on Windows 11 22H1,.. that would be vary frustrating. I loaded Ghost Spectre Superlite to avoid/remove all the useless features, options running in the background on original Windows 11 22H1.

Been pondering what would make windows 10 stable and windows 11 BSOD in the first 5 mins of boot.

I have the 7950X up and running sitting on a motherboard box, running on the IGPU, and a SATA SSD.
Fresh install of Windows 11 22H2 is running and so far stable, although it hasn't been THAT long, maybe an hour.
I will slowly begin adding things (2 X 980 Pros, 3080, Etc) to see if/when it starts crashing.

although, the 3080 is in my alder lake rig at the moment.

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

Been pondering what would make windows 10 stable and windows 11 BSOD in the first 5 mins of boot.

I have the 7950X up and running sitting on a motherboard box, running on the IGPU, and a SATA SSD.
Fresh install of Windows 11 22H2 is running and so far stable, although it hasn't been THAT long, maybe an hour.
I will slowly begin adding things (2 X 980 Pros, 3080, Etc) to see if/when it starts crashing.

although, the 3080 is in my alder lake rig at the moment.

Something TPM (2.0) related? New instruction set extensions that are only supported in W11? Of course, it could also just be some random instruction pattern/idiom that triggers an erratum or microcode bug.

 

[Psychoholic]

Something TPM (2.0) related? New instruction set extensions that are only supported in W11? Of course, it could also just be some random instruction pattern/idiom that triggers an erratum or microcode bug.

That did cross my mind, as one of the main differences between win 10 and 11.
The board has sat on my kitchen table with nothing plugged in, no power and cmos battery out for over 24 hours, maybe that reset or cleared something out.

 

[Mussels]

I still get few spikes on LatencyMon from time to time, and now they're coming from Nvidia drivers. I'll try few different drivers, but the audio crackling isn't a problem anymore. I've heard only few snaps from time to time, and I guess that after I find a better driver than 517.48, the problem is probably gone.

I get the nvidia spikes too, especially when resolutions or refresh rates are changed (games starting)

ok so can someone explain what this mysterious "HPET" is?

an old software timer
The HPET bug: What it is and what it isn't - overclockers.at
How To Improve Gaming Performance By Disabling HPET Settings? (silicophilic.com)

screenshots in the first link show HPET running every 24Hz and disabled every 10Hz

So i can see this myself later:
The working vengeance pro:
3200
16-18-18-36
Trc 75
Trfc560

Running the PC with one stick of each set works


Samsung (bad) Hynix (good)

Anyone got clues what i might be missing, or other stats to look up?
It's insane that mixing one of each works perfectly but just the samsung chips doesnt (only in XMP) which implies somethings wrong with the XMP settings


The XMP timings are 100% identical.
They are both single rank
Both 1.35v

The only thing that stands out, is that the samsung memory ranges from CL9 to C16, while the hynix ranges from CL7 to CL24 - but that should not affect the XMP profile at all

OH HO HO, WELL HELLO THERE
Good old XMP editor immediately found corrupt SPD data!


... shit how many people have faulty SPD/XMP data and blame the CPU/mobo etc?

Wait it thinks the hynix is the corrupt one? Le wha?
Edit: RGB related error

Edit 2: and now with changing nothing, the LPX ram is working at XMP speeds??!?

 

[freeagent]

It's insane that mixing one of each works perfectly but just the samsung chips doesnt (only in XMP) which implies somethings wrong with the XMP settings

Corsair is weird sometimes. I have two sets of Corsair DDR2 that work great in pairs, but absolutely will not run together in two pairs.

 

[Mussels]

Corsair is weird sometimes. I have two sets of Corsair DDR2 that work great in pairs, but absolutely will not run together in two pairs.

That's usually the memory controller and extra ranks
This is just bizarre because the RAM refused to post for a good 4+ hours and now today it's working perfectly, but ONLY after mixing RGB and non RGB for that one boot.
There's a chance i loaded optimised defaults in the BIOS at some point and that is what fixed it, i THINK i tried it early on but may not have

It's all good now, so i've got:

(x570) 5800x3D + 3090 + 64GB 3933
(B450 ITX) 5800x + 1070Ti + 16GB 3200 Samsung
(x370) 3700x +1080 + 16GB Hynix

the 1070ti and 1080 are so close in performance i cant be assed swapping them between systems, but i may later on.
I'll have to see if either of those boards will OC the samsung LPX ram, i have low hopes.


The ITX rig is going to be getting a clean OS and set up as a VR gaming PC, I guess. It hasnt been used much for a while.

 

[The King]

Wait it thinks the hynix is the corrupt one? Le wha?
Edit: RGB related error

Edit 2: and now with changing nothing, the LPX ram is working at XMP speeds??!?

Many times when the board trains on AUTO / XMP and you have RAM that randomly boots or fails.
Take note of what ProcODT is used with Zentimings when it does boot and set that manually in the BIOS. This sometimes helps with boot issues.

 

[tabascosauz]

That's good to hear Windows 10, is working fine so far on your system.

On that note, I understand the significant value behind using a slim Windows install, but we aren't too much a fan of linking to these 3rd party modded ISOs. Just the way we've always treated this stuff in the past. Rest of the message gets the point across well.

 

[Ruru]

I get the nvidia spikes too, especially when resolutions or refresh rates are changed (games starting)


an old software timer
The HPET bug: What it is and what it isn't - overclockers.at
How To Improve Gaming Performance By Disabling HPET Settings? (silicophilic.com)

screenshots in the first link show HPET running every 24Hz and disabled every 10Hz

Though the audio crackling seems to be gone now, so this is fine. Just weird that I didn't have any problems with the same hardware but with my previous B550M Aorus Elite board. Maybe it had HPET disabled, not gonna check though as it's in its box already.

 

[Dr. Dro]

And that is why you run Linux My ultra lightweight Linux setup will almost certainly put that custom Windows image to shame and yet it is very reliable and stable.

My thoughts exactly...

Corsair is weird sometimes. I have two sets of Corsair DDR2 that work great in pairs, but absolutely will not run together in two pairs.

Corsair does something extremely problematic, especially considering how distribution chains work. They release multiple different memory sticks under the exact same SKU name, and change the "version" of the SKU to distinguish between what type of memory IC that particular unit carries. Mixing and matching these, even if they are externally and otherwise physically identical, has serious implications to the performance and stability, because different ICs respond differently to timings, voltages, etc. - to the point that both kits will probably never work together well.

I have a quick-list saved here that someone posted on a Discord server I used to participate in to decode these, I can't speak for its accuracy, though - some revisions tend to be rare and data on them is muddy. It could be useful, so I am sharing:

Corsair DDR4 revision list:

Micron
3.20 Micron 4Gbit Rev. A
3.21 Micron 4Gbit Rev. B
3.22 Micron 4Gbit Rev. E
3.22 Micron 4Gbit Rev. F
3.31 Micron assortment (Rev. B E, H J or D)
3.32 Micron 8Gbit Rev. H
3.33 Micron 8Gbit Rev. D
3.34 Micron 8Gbit Rev. E
3.40 Micron 16Gbit Rev. B
3.43 Micron 16Gbit Rev. E
3.44 Micron 16Gbit Rev. B

Samsung
4.14 Samsung 4Gbit D-die
4.23 Samsung 4Gbit D-die
4.24 Samsung 4Gbit E-die
4.31 Samsung 8Gbit B-die
4.32 Samsung 8Gbit C-die
4.33 Samsung 8Gbit D-die
4.34 Samsung 8Gbit E-die
4.40 Samsung 16Gbit A-die
4.40 Samsung 16Gbit A-die
4.41 Samsung 16Gbit B-die
4.49 Samsung 16Gbit M-die

Hynix
5.20 Hynix 4Gbit AFR
5.21 Hynix 4Gbit BJR
5.22 Hynix 4Gbit CJR
5.29 Hynix 4Gbit MFR
5.30 Hynix 8Gbit AFR
5.31 Hynix 8Gbit BFR
5.32 Hynix 8Gbit CJR
5.33 Hynix 8Gbit DJR
5.34 Hynix 8Gbit EJR
5.38 Hynix 8Gbit JJR
5.39 Hynix 8Gbit MFR
5.49 Hynix 16Gbit MJR

You should be able to see which version your particular memory sticks are by looking at the label imprinted on each of the them, here's an example from an old kit I have around:

 

[Ruru]

Looks like my system just didn't like the newer 517.48 drivers. Went back to 511.79 and not a single problem with audio when I played some Fallout 4. On the newer ones, there was crackling from time to time.

I hope that this is finally 100% working like it's supposed to.

 

[freeagent]

Just wondering if 550w is enough to drive a 1080Ti with a fully loaded AM4 setup?

 

[Ruru]

Just wondering if 550w is enough to drive a 1080Ti with a fully loaded AM4 setup?

What I've been monitoring, on the worst case the card takes like about 325W max with max vcore from Afterburner. If I leave it at stock, it's not draining even 300W. And well, this is pretty full loaded, just not moar cores than six.

I remember running a R9 290 with a 430W unit several years ago, 1080 Ti is actually pretty tame compared to it as it doesn't have similar power spikes etc.

edit: and the PSU isn't even an year old.

 

[freeagent]

Thats not too bad, I thought the Ti would be a little beastlier. Thats about what my 3070Ti does. ~325w give or take a few.

 

[Ruru]

Thats not too bad, I thought the Ti would be a little beastlier. Thats about what my 3070Ti does. ~325w give or take a few.

Well, Pascal is still said to be the probably most efficient GPU family so I'm actually not that surprised.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Looks like my system just didn't like the newer 517.48 drivers. Went back to 511.79 and not a single problem with audio when I played some Fallout 4. On the newer ones, there was crackling from time to time.

I hope that this is finally 100% working like it's supposed to.

522.25/RTX 4090 launch drivers have been working well on my end. Apex is running particularly good. Worth it try.

 

[Ruru]

522.25/RTX 4090 launch drivers have been working well on my end. Apex is running particularly good. Worth it try.

Well, I'll stay with these for a while as I'm pretty sure that Pascal doesn't get any optimizations anymore

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

I made some changes to my UEFI settings again yesterday. I noticed that STIBP and IOMMU, which are important security features, are turned off by default. Later I coincidentally read that someone with an AM3+ (Vishera) setup enabled IOMMU to resolve USB issues, so maybe it will help. I have also turned off USB 3.1 gen2. However, I read the entire dmesg output yesterday and I noticed this message:
"[ 1.346920] usb: port power management may be unreliable". I remember seeing it years ago, not long after I had built this system. I do not remember what AGESA and Linux kernel etc that was on. I also do not know if it was also present before I changed the settings yesterday. I should probably at least try enabling gen2 again and see if it goes away. But overall it seems that Linux is definitely aware of this system having USB issues.

This brings me to something else: I do not have time for the next couple of months to make a major change in my setup (will have some time during the holidays) and I want to see if these different UEFI settings perhaps finally resolve my USB issues but I am seriously thinking of dismantling this system at this point because I have really had it and would rather put the cash into something else. Some months ago I was given a Bristol Ridge EliteBook with broken (internal) keyboard (but otherwise in excellent condition) by a family member to sell (and keep the proceeds). I have had zero luck trying to sell it on Craigslist so now I am thinking I may keep it and use it as a desktop replacement (the same way I was using my Kaveri-based EliteBook 745 G2 before I built this system) for the forseeable future. It has the highest-end APU that was available (A12-9800P), DDR4, an M.2 NVMe SSD slot and M.2 2230 WiFi card slot. So I am thinking that this could be a pretty decent system even if it lacks the raw CPU power of my Ryzen desktop (which I, to be honest, rarely use). If I dismantle this AM4 system, I will sell the CPU (+cooler), motherboard and case but I will mothball my Seasonic, Crucial DDR4 and Radeon WX2100 for a future system (even if that becomes just an HDD/optical disc drive rig based on some cheap, old Intel platform). So I guess I may be leaving this club in the near future. Who knows, I might return in a couple years with a Ryzen Embedded based system. I do not see myself ever buying into AM5, to be honest, but maybe that will change. Ironically, desktop Bristol Ridge is also AM4 (of course, the EliteBook is FP4 though).

 

[Psychoholic]

This is getting humorous.
My system (Asus X670E, 7950X) has been stable once again, 32 hours or so now.
....Until i went into bios and changed fan curves for case fans, all i did was change them from "Standard" to "Turbo", then BSOD hell again, random different BSODS.
Go back into bios, change the fans back to "standard" and its stable again.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

This is getting humorous.
My system (Asus X670E, 7950X) has been stable once again, 32 hours or so now.
....Until i went into bios and changed fan curves for case fans, all i did was change them from "Standard" to "Turbo", then BSOD hell again, random different BSODS.
Go back into bios, change the fans back to "standard" and its stable again.

Well, that's a new one. I'm not familiar with Asus, but does the fan curve setting change anything else like PBO settings?

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On an unrelated topic, does anyone with Zen 4 see idle temps like these? With this setup, I've never been under 43c idle. Same case, same cooler, same ambient saw 29c with Alder Lake, and 33c with Zen 3.