RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K

[W1zzard]

We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.

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[TheEndIsNear]

Pretty soon we'll have to buy video cards depending on which engines or games you like if you don't already. I don't.

 

[clopezi]

Thanks a lot for your work @W1zzard . It's very interesting.

Now I'm waiting to the 7950X vs 13900K hehe

 

[P4-630]

Pretty soon we'll have to buy video cards depending on which engines or games you like if you don't already. I don't.

The End Is Near my man.....

 

[defaultluser]

Pretty soon we'll have to buy video cards depending on which engines or games you like if you don't already. I don't.

we already do that - MOST HIGH-END GAMERS HAVE A LIMITED LIST OF GAME TYPES THEY WILL EVER PLAY

 

[Selaya]

no 5800x3d?
is it on the menu (for later) at the very least?

 

[GreiverBlade]

no 5800x3d?
is it on the menu (for later) at the very least?

i do hope so too ...

that comparision was a bit unfair

Intel needed 2 gens of hybrid to "overtake" meanwhile AMD added 3DV cache and got back on top

(i jest i jest ... well, half jest )

one good thing with the newer gens, the 5800X is as cheap as the 5700X at launch (299chf) the 5700X is nearing sub 250chf and the 5800X3D is, soon (tm), going to be below 400chf if lucky

 

[RandallFlagg]

I expected a difference, but not this much.

Looks to me like when the next gen of GPUs comes out around 2024, everything will be CPU limited at sub 4K resolutions.

It's taken a long time, and maybe a little left to wait for mainstream GPUs, but seems like the era of 4K gaming going mainstream has finally arrived.

 

[seventy]

Extensive testing, but the data is not presented well. Would have been nice to at least see the fps, or even frametime graphs instead.
Questionable ram choice for 5800x, the infinity fabric is clocked high, but those timings (@ 4000 MHz 20-23-23-42 1T) most likely sandbagged the 5800x.
I wouldn't be surprised if good b-die at even 3600Mhz (with cl14 etc) would score much better (10-20%+), because zen 2 and 3 mostly scale with timings instead of raw frequency from my personal testing.

 

[TheEndIsNear]

we already do that - MOST HIGH-END GAMERS HAVE A LIMITED LIST OF GAME TYPES THEY WILL EVER PLAY

I didn't know I'm sorry. It just make me a little sad. I could afford 2 machines but that's dumb or maybe not??? Uggghh you just made me want to spend money lol

 

[rv8000]

So now you’ll test a 7950x/5800x3D vs. 13400f right?

Not that this article is in bad faith, but low/high end CPUs from either manf. should have been tested.

 

[Space Lynx]

Hope we can get a comparison just like this one with the 13900k and ryzen 7700x. I think that would be interesting to see

 

[RH92]

Thanks for the update W1zzard , i believe it is pretty clear that TPU needs to update the testing plafrom , 5800X3D or 12900K should be the bare minimum . Keen to see if margins increase with Raptor Lake .

 

[maverik-sg1]

Looks like you tested ddr4000 16gb with loose timings, against 32gb ddr5, the test would still show there's an advantage to Intel, however, I believe the gap to close significantly.

 

[Space Lynx]

Thanks for the update W1zzard , i believe it is pretty clear that TPU needs to update their testing plafrom , 5800X3D or 12900K should be the bare minimum . Keen to see if margins increase with Raptor Lake .

I actually like that W1zz uses this, because so many other sites are already doing 5800X3d comparisons, like we have those in droves. It's nice to see this instead.

Which is why I'd like to see a 7700x and 13700k or 13900k comparison next.

Looks like you tested ddr4000 16gb with loose timings, against 32gb ddr5, the test would still show there's an advantage to Intel, however, I believe the gap to close significantly.

AMD does seem to benefit some with dual ranked ram, so good spotting on this!

 

[seventy]

Looks like you tested ddr4000 16gb with loose timings, against 32gb ddr5, the test would still show there's an advantage to Intel, however, I believe the gap to close significantly.

Yeah, dual-rank b-die would be much closer.

 

[mb194dc]

People will spend 4k+ on a machine and game at anything other than 4k or even higher?

 

[noel_fs]

if you are gonna use 12900k on intel, you should use the 5800X3D on amd no?

 

[W1zzard]

no 5800x3d?
is it on the menu (for later) at the very least?

Soon

 

[HD64G]

Nice test @W1zzard ! How about you posted some 4090 power draw results when testing with 12900K? More performance means higher utilisation that should increase the power consumption also me thinks.

 

[W1zzard]

much

Should I test 5800X3D or faster RAM speed?

 

[HD64G]

Should I test 5800X3D or faster RAM speed?

5800X3D for sure me thinks

 

[Xuper]

If you want to test 5800X3D , Please have DDR4 3733mhz or 3200 CL14, Thanks.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yeah, dual-rank b-die would be much closer.

It's an odd setup.

The plus is running IF at 2000 1:1

I think TPU's bench is normally run at 1800 1:1, so the loose timings were likely necessary to get 4000 with IF 2000 1:1 (this is rare on Zen 3).

I would bet that in some cases the 4000 C20 wins with the higher IF speed 2000 vs 1800 1:1. Probably more of the eye-candy games like Cyberpunk and Assassin's Creed will prefer 4000, while what I call 'twitch' e-sports titles will prefer the lower latency.

I personally would have rather seen standard bench setup though, with more CPUs tested, even if the tested set of games were smaller.

The standard test bench at TPU IMO represents what most DIY enthusiasts will build (DDR5-6000 C30 / C36, DDR4-3600 C14 or C16). Every other site seems to have some implausible config that makes their data unrepresentative.

This setup, unfortunately, kinda fits in that 2nd category.

Should I test 5800X3D or faster RAM speed?

I'd prefer you used the standard bench setup, regardless of CPUs tested. I don't have a basis for comparison using DDR4-4000 C20.

 

[Rowsol]

I hope you'll start including 1% lows as I feel it's more important than average fps.