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The extra wires are just for error correcting if I remember right

and to make the cable much less resistant to bends ( )

 

[Deleted member 185158]

The extra wires are just for error correcting if I remember right

I've had a lot of 80 wire cables go bad and reverted to 40 wire cables and had no issues.

But it's been a looooong time since I've run more than 1 drive on a ribbon cable. XD

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Just put the drives to cable select mode and they assign their "roles" automatically from their placement on the cable like this.

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I may be wrong, but you cable select on 80 wire and the drives must be jumpered on 40 wire Ata cables.

Haven't heard that before. The 80-wire cable is just for ATA/66 and above, doesn't affect cable select AFAIK.

I believe you're correct on 80c ribbons for ATA/66, but also (according to PCHell):

With cable select, you first needed a special 40 conductor IDE cable that would determine master/slave connections. This was different from the normal IDE cables at the time. Also, the Master connector on CS cables was the inside connector not the end connector. This made for a very confusing switch from everyday master/slave configurations.

80 conductor Ultra DMA cables WILL determine the Master/Slave settings through Cable Select however. So as technology advances, Cable Select as a concept may still catch on. With the newer Ultra DMA cables, you can set both drives to Cable Select (CS), connect them and they will work. Another change with the 80 conductor cables, the Master connector is on the end of the cable where it should be. In situations where you are using a newer Ultra DMA drive and cable, you can use Cable Select or standard Master/Slave jumper settings and the drive will boot properly.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I believe you're correct on 80c ribbons for ATA/66, but also (according to PCHell):

Hey thanks for that. Wasn't entirely sure, just some shit skimmed off my memory as I read the comments.

So in theory, he might not have jumpers on the drive at all. Which, if I'm not mistaken either defaults to cable select or master. One of the two drives would need to be set to slave for sure if one does not have a jumper.

I'm probably mistaken about that part though. Lol

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Hey thanks for that. Wasn't entirely sure, just some shit skimmed off my memory as I read the comments.

So in theory, he might not have jumpers on the drive at all. Which, if I'm not mistaken either defaults to cable select or master. One of the two drives would need to be set to slave for sure if one does not have a jumper.

I'm probably mistaken about that part though. Lol

It depends on the drive. Once upon a time, one needed a jumper (sometimes two!) for all configurations, M, S or CS. Toward the end of the IDE era, most manufacturers (IIRC) seemed to converge on No Jumper = CS. But that's definitely not a universal truth.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

It depends on the drive. Once upon a time, one needed a jumper (sometimes two!) for all configurations, M, S or CS. Toward the end of the IDE era, most manufacturers (IIRC) seemed to converge on No Jumper = CS. But that's definitely not a universal truth.

Yeah, I remember the two jumpers on drives. Mostly from a lot of OEM pulls out of Gateway PCs. Many of which only used the optical drive and one HDD though. Couldn't put my finger on it, but the optical drive was master???

 

[Ruru]

Yeah, I remember the two jumpers on drives. Mostly from a lot of OEM pulls out of Gateway PCs. Many of which only used the optical drive and one HDD though. Couldn't put my finger on it, but the optical drive was master???

I always had the optical drive in the secondary IDE channel as some people said that it can slow your HDD down. And in the primary channel, I always had the faster drive as master.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I always had the optical drive in the secondary IDE channel as some people said that it can slow your HDD down. And in the primary channel, I always had the faster drive as master.

Last time I set up the socket A (see thread what defines a pc for a pic) had set up the OS drive as slave, optical as master to install the OS.

The newer Abit board had no issues making the OS drive master after removing the optical drive. Probably because it's a later IDE with UDMA that makes the swapping so easy.

 

[Greenslade]

Just put the drives to cable select mode and they assign their "roles" automatically from their placement on the cable like this.

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That's the way I did it. It only worked on the one I had on the PC when I bought it. The other two I bought on Facebook did not work I suppose they were duds. I put the jumpers on Slave. The one on the PC sadly was the lowest at 80GB.The two i bought on Facebook were 160Gb and 200Gb. I just tried again no luck. Even when i
connected the one in the PC went on and off, I guess the PC is temperamental.
The one with the os is a SATA drive with the IDE adapter. That drive is 320Gb.
No one knows how I can get into the BIOS I take it.

 

[Ruru]

That's the way I did it. It only worked on the one I had on the PC when I bought it. The other two I bought on Facebook did not work I suppose they were duds. I put the jumpers on Slave. The one on the PC sadly was the lowest at 80GB.The two i bought on Facebook were 160Gb and 200Gb. I just tried again no luck. Even when i
connected the one in the PC went on and off, I guess the PC is temperamental.
The one with the os is a SATA drive with the IDE adapter. That drive is 320Gb.
No one knows how I can get into the BIOS I take it.

Usually the BIOS key is del, F1 or F2

 

[68Olds]

HP has also used ESC, F8 or F10.

 

[Ruru]

HP has also used ESC, F8 or F10.

Good point there, hard to remember OEM keys.

 

[Greenslade]

HP has also used ESC, F8 or F10.

I am talking about my ASUS Athlon .2400 RETRO PC Apparently to get in the BIOS it is Delete i have backspace on my keyboard which i understand is the same as Delete?.But i can,t get into it

Good point there, hard to remember OEM keys.

I can get into the HP Bios ,but i am talking about ASUS Retro PC.

 

[Ruru]

I am talking about my ASUS Athlon .2400 RETRO PC Apparently to get in the BIOS it is Delete i have backspace on my keyboard which i understand is the same as Delete?.But i can,t get into it

Nope. That's del key.

 

[Greenslade]

HP has also used ESC, F8 or F10.

I can get into the HP bios ,but i need to get into my ASUS Retro PC bios.

Nope. That's del key.

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Ok, i have got one of those bigger keyboards,i had to buy one i think it was for the HP thanks for that . I did not look for the delete key on there.I assumed backspace was the same as delete.I have only had the smaller keyboards with the Delete key.

 

[Ruru]

I can get into the HP bios ,but i need to get into my ASUS Retro PC bios.


Ok, i have got one of those bigger keyboards,i had to buy one i think it was for the HP thanks for that . I did not look for the delete key on there.I assumed backspace was the same as delete.I have only had the smaller keyboards with the Delete key.

That's the standard keyboard layout which has been out since the 80s. It may be on a different place in laptops and smaller keyboards (like my 60% where I have to use Fn + backspace).

 

[Greenslade]

That's the standard keyboard layout which has been out since the 80s. It may be on a different place in laptops and smaller keyboards (like my 60% where I have to use Fn + backspace).

I have never had to use the other keys on a big keyboard.I prefer the smaller keyboards as they take up less space.

 

[Ruru]

I have never had to use the other keys on a big keyboard.

Weird if you haven't needed ctrl + alt + del when tinkering with old hardware.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I may be wrong, but you cable select on 80 wire and the drives must be jumpered on 40 wire Ata cables.

That's not correct. Drive assignment is controlled by jumpers at all times, even when cable-select is intended.

 

[Greenslade]

Weird if you haven't needed ctrl + alt + del when tinkering with old hardware.

It is only recently since i joined this site last year that i have been into Retro PC,s.
Before that i never thought about tinkering with PC.s.
If there was a problem i got someone to repair it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I believe you're correct on 80c ribbons for ATA/66, but also (according to PCHell):

The key point that should not be overlooked is that for the cable to assign master/slave, the drives must be in a cable select mode as set by jumpers. It's a part of the technology and it can not be ignored.

 

[Greenslade]

There's quite clearly a good deal of gunk in at least the first two of those RAM slots, so it's no wonder if the RAM isn't seating properly.

I also see several bulging caps in that last pic, both of the ones directly left of the RAM slots (the top one is even crusty, indicating that it's likely vented/leaked), and one towards the end of the second PCI slot.

Caps circled in blue, dirt in the RAM slots in red.

Can you tell me if I can put this in a new case?
Bearing in mind this is an HP PC.
Will I be able to put it in an ATX case? If it can go in a new case I will give it a go by putting in new caps or getting someone to do it for me. After all, the motherboard will have to be removed from the case. to replace the caps.The case is not good, plus there is no side panel. I don,t really want to put it back in the crappy case.

 

[Ruru]

Can you tell me if I can put this in a new case?
Bearing in mind this is an HP PC.
Will I be able to put it in an ATX case? If it can go in a new case I will give it a go by putting in new caps or getting someone to do it for me. After all, the motherboard will have to be removed from the case. to replace the caps.The case is not good, plus there is no side panel. I don,t really want to put it back in the crappy case.

Most likely it's compatible. Many manufacturers used standard (m)ATX parts during that era.

 

[Greenslade]

Most likely it's compatible. Many manufacturers used standard (m)ATX parts during that era.

I will give it a go then thanks, I tell you what the HP is miles quieter than the Athon 2400 that is nosey Could I get a quieter fan for it?
NON -System disk or disk error
Same thing I had before setup can not install Windows on your computer
Your computer does not have a hard disk your hard disk is not functioning correctly,
or your hard disk requires a special device driver. What do they mean by that, what is a special device driver?
One of the ones that I could be nothing with on the Athlon has windows 7 on it. but that came up with
blue about damaging your PC. I take it this drive is bad. The only other thing is to take the second drive
out of my Athlon PC and try that in here. Other than that I could use a CF Card in the HP here.This is my £5 Pc although he has the Athlon version mine is the PENTIUM 4 2.8

Interaction video.Heres the card in the Dell it makes a change with this guy liking it the guys usually critical of old stuff like this.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I will give it a go then thanks, I tell you what the HP is miles quieter than the Athon 2400 that is nosey Could I get a quieter fan for it?
NON -System disk or disk error
Same thing I had before setup can not install Windows on your computer
Your computer does not have a hard disk your hard disk is not functioning correctly,
or your hard disk requires a special device driver. What do they mean by that, what is a special device driver?
One of the ones that I could be nothing with on the Athlon has windows 7 on it. but that came up with
blue about damaging your PC. I take it this drive is bad. The only other thing is to take the second drive
out of my Athlon PC and try that in here. Other than that I could use a CF Card in the HP here.This is my £5 Pc although he has the Athlon version mine is the PENTIUM 4 2.8

Interaction video.

Quieter fans? Probably. Most are standard form factors, typically 80mm or 92mm in OEM systems.

Non-system disk error likely means that there isn't a bootable device where the system is looking for one. What are you using as an installation medium? How is your destination drive attached, and is the BIOS set to look for it?

You probably don't need a special device driver; that message is for users who have something unusual like a SCSI controller or RAID card.

Can you take some pics showing your setup? Fans and drive connections. Also model number of the machine if you know it.