Upgrading from 5600x: Advice Please

[Pastuch]

All I play is Warzone and soon Warzone 2, which would you choose?

Video below compares 5800x3d to 13900k, almost identical frame rate. The video card I have is an ASUS TUF 3080 10gb OC. My monitor is the Alienware 34inch QD-OLED Ultrawide.

Canadian Price Comparison (Includes taxes):
Option 1:
5800x3d $565 (Keep existing Tuf X570, 4x8gb bdie and NHD-15)
Minus the cost of a 5600x and 16gbs of non-bdie DDR4 (265 CAD used market).
Total cost would be $300

Option 2:
13900KF $859
MSI Pro 690-a $281
Lian-li Gallahad $192
Minus $500 CAD (Optimistic) for X570 mobo, ram, CPU and Noctua (Non-bdie DDR4 3600 spare)
Total $1332 - $500 = $832

Option 3:
Wait for Zen 4 X3D.

Seriously considering canceling my 13900kf order. For Warzone the 5800x3d is just too competitive. The performance numbers in the video linked below use bad ram speeds for the DDR4 too. My bdie will do 4000c16 with 4x8gb dimms on my mobo if the IMC can on the 5800x3d can keep up. I have an ASUS Tuf 3080 OC.

 

[3x0]

Planning to upgrade to 5800X3D from 5600x next year when I upgrade my GPU as well. Playing Warzone, Fortnite, Escape from Tarkov

Stick to the AM4 platform and wait for DDR5 platforms to mature and drop in price.

 

[cvaldes]

Option 3 is requires cash for new CPU, new motherboard, and new RAM, so even more expensive than Option 2 since you can't repurpose your current DDR4 sticks.

From performance per dollar perspective, upgrading to 5800X3D makes the most sense since it's a drop-in replacement for the 5600X.

One thing you have neglected to mention is how your current system is providing dissatisfaction with your usage case (mostly playing Warzone). Your GPU appears to be adequately powered.

As for Warzone 2, the most sensible approach would be to wait until it comes out, try it with your current build and then decide whether game performance would merit an upgrade.

There will always be someone with a better system than yours, there's always something better around the corner. Whether or not you want to perpetually chase that unicorn is your call.

 

[Pastuch]

Option 3 is requires cash for new CPU, new motherboard, and new RAM, so even more expensive than Option 2 since you can't repurpose your current DDR4 sticks.

From performance per dollar perspective, upgrading to 5800X3D makes the most sense since it's a drop-in replacement for the 5600X.

One thing you have neglected to mention is how your current system is providing dissatisfaction with your usage case (mostly playing Warzone). Your GPU appears to be adequately powered.

As for Warzone 2, the most sensible approach would be to wait until it comes out, try it with your current build and then decide whether game performance would merit an upgrade.

There will always be someone with a better system than yours, there's always something better around the corner. Whether or not you want to perpetually chase that unicorn is your call.

I'm 100% CPU bottlenecked for Warzone. I want 175fps lows at 3440x1440p so that means top of the line Intel or 5800x3d. The 5600x just can't handle Caldera (The newer Warzone map).

Modern Warfare 2 and Warzone 2 are the same Engine. Modern Warfare 2 Campaign was released about an hour ago so benchmarking results should be all over the web in the next couple days.

The Modern Warfare 2 beta last month ran like shit on my 5600x, only 120~ FPS at 3440x1440p. That's with 4x8gb Bdie at 53ns.

 

[cvaldes]

I'm 100% CPU bottlenecked for Warzone. I want 175fps lows at 3440x1440p so that means top of the line Intel or 5800x3d. The 5600x just can't handle Caldera (The newer Warzone map).

Modern Warfare 2 and Warzone 2 are the same Engine. Modern Warfare 2 Campaign was released about an hour ago so benchmarking results should be all over the web in the next couple days.

The Modern Warfare 2 beta last month ran like shit on my 5600x, only 120~ FPS at 3440x1440p. That's with 4x8gb Bdie at 53ns.

Ah, some useful data. It's often helpful to include such observations in the original post so people have a context of where you are and where you want to go. Not everyone is a diehard MW aficionado so presenting these sort of metrics is helpful because then people who play other games might be able to extrapolate their knowledge into your usage case.

Anyhow, wait a few days for detailed third-party reviews of MW2 Campaign and then approach your purchase decision carefully.

I'm not sure I'd base a purchase decision off of beta software.

You've already noted the big price discrepancy between 5800X3D and jumping to Intel.

Oh, and I think your estimate for the value of your equipment on the used market is very optimistic. Better to underestimate. And with each passing day, it'll be worth less. The true cost of moving to Intel might be closer to CAD 1100 or 1200 instead of CAD $830. Just my opinion.

Your money, your call.

Best of luck.

 

[tabascosauz]

@Pastuch I played and did a lot of testing in MW19 over the years but didn't touch Warzone. I keep on being told that Warzone is more demanding. The 5900X > 5800X3D upgrade did improve consistency of fps even at 2560x1440 165Hz capped, DLSS. X3D has the framerate pretty much pegged at 158fps, whereas 5900X would regularly falls short of that mark into the 140s etc.

I don't have 6-core data on MW19 (previous was a 3700X), but seeing as MW19 is either bound to 2 cores in game or up to 1 CCX for shader loading, the 5900X is still functionally a 6-core (doesn't suffer from CCD1-CCD2 thread migration in MW).

But it is a slight increase, not really notcieable as the MW19 engine runs smooth and the 5900X already ran smooth, and not what I would base my 5800X3D purchase solely on. I've been more after the X3D's gains in other CPU-bound games. But if you intend to play MW2 most of the time, could be worth it. 5800X3D runs pretty cool in MW19.

If your B-die isn't properly dialed in, I'd work on that first. MW seems to be one of the pickier games when it comes to RAM that I've dealt with.

I wouldn't buy an X3D at regular price though. $560 is horseshit. Me and most others in the past month bought at $499.

 

[Pastuch]

@Pastuch I played and did a lot of testing in MW19 over the years but didn't touch Warzone. I keep on being told that Warzone is more demanding. The 5900X > 5800X3D upgrade did improve consistency of fps even at 2560x1440 165Hz capped, DLSS. X3D has the framerate pretty much pegged at 158fps, whereas 5900X would regularly falls short of that mark into the 140s etc.

I don't have 6-core data on MW19 (previous was a 3700X), but seeing as MW19 is either bound to 2 cores in game or up to 1 CCX for shader loading, the 5900X is still functionally a 6-core (doesn't suffer from CCD1-CCD2 thread migration in MW).

But it is a slight increase, not really notcieable as the MW19 engine runs smooth and the 5900X already ran smooth, and not what I would base my 5800X3D purchase solely on. I've been more after the X3D's gains in other CPU-bound games. But if you intend to play MW2 most of the time, could be worth it. 5800X3D runs pretty cool in MW19.

If your B-die isn't properly dialed in, I'd work on that first. MW seems to be one of the pickier games when it comes to RAM that I've dealt with.

Warzone performance metrics are completely different than MW19, my 5600x with 53nns AIDA latency can easily run 200+ FPS at 1440p in MW19 but Warzone has a billion times more textures to load and it's that scenario where the 5800x3d crushed even the new Ryzen 7000 series. Warzone is a strange game, IT LOVES X3d and ultra low latency memory, so much so that DDR4 (Bdie) is consistently faster than DDR5 with a 12900k.

 

[tabascosauz]

Warzone performance metrics are completely different than MW19, my 5600x with 53nns AIDA latency can easily run 200+ FPS at 1440p in MW19 but Warzone has a billion times more textures to load and it's that scenario where the 5800x3d crushed even the new Ryzen 7000 series. Warzone is a strange game, IT LOVES X3d and ultra low latency memory, so much so that DDR4 (Bdie) is consistently faster than DDR5 with a 12900k.

Seems like you've already got your mind made up then.

X3D Fabric is a bit of a tossup. Some can get to 2000MHz, not all without WHEAs. I can't boot past 1866 no matter what (07 post code), others have had the same experience. Best of luck to you

X3D also runs a bit hot out of the box for basically any cooler, can improve drastically with CO and lower limits, but you can only do so either with user software set after every boot (PBO2 Tuner) or a modded BIOS. Gaming temps stock are fine. Usual PBO controls are hidden in release BIOSes. Need 1206 or 1207 AGESA BIOSes, earlier will lock you to 3.4GHz.

Fabric/RAM scaling doesn't matter quite as much to the X3D. Obviously, run the highest Fabric you can for your B-die, but X3D suffers ~3-4ns DRAM latency over other Zen 3 parts, and doesn't scale like the other CPUs do.

 

[cvaldes]

Warzone performance metrics are completely different than MW19, my 5600x with 53nns AIDA latency can easily run 200+ FPS at 1440p in MW19 but Warzone has a billion times more textures to load and it's that scenario where the 5800x3d crushed even the new Ryzen 7000 series. Warzone is a strange game, IT LOVES X3d and ultra low latency memory, so much so that DDR4 (Bdie) is consistently faster than DDR5 with a 12900k.

From my vantage point, you have most of the data points you need to make a purchase decision. All you really need to do is wait for some third-party reviews of MW2 and what hardware configurations run it best, hopefully from people who have access to a wide range of parts (which the average TPU participant lacks).

If you are looking for opinions from other CoD MW and MW2 aficionados, you might look for a Q&A forum/Reddit specifically focused for that title. This is a broad interest PC forum that covers a lot of different topics.

The odds are low that you would get more than a couple respondents who have deep interest in optimizing their build for MW2 (basically creating a pure play solution).

Unfortunately you didn't bother mentioning Modern Warfare 2 in the thread's subject title.

At this point I will bow out of further participation in this thread. You already have most of the information you need and what you don't have certainly won't come from me.

Best of luck.

 

[Pastuch]

Seems like you've already got your mind made up then.

X3D Fabric is a bit of a tossup. Some can get to 2000MHz, not all without WHEAs. I can't boot past 1866 no matter what (07 post code), others have had the same experience. Best of luck to you

X3D also runs a bit hot out of the box for basically any cooler, can improve drastically with CO and lower limits, but you can only do so either with user software set after every boot (PBO2 Tuner) or a modded BIOS. Gaming temps stock are fine. Usual PBO controls are hidden in release BIOSes. Need 1206 or 1207 AGESA BIOSes, earlier will lock you to 3.4GHz.

Fabric/RAM scaling doesn't matter quite as much to the X3D. Obviously, run the highest Fabric you can for your B-die, but X3D suffers ~3-4ns DRAM latency over other Zen 3 parts, and doesn't scale like the other CPUs do.

Great points, my 5600x won't go past 1866 no matter what I try either, even with only 2 dimms, it was a day 1 launch CPU and the IMC just sucks.
The X3D only pulls a max of about 110 watts right so I imagine an NH-D15 would be more than adequate to cool it.
I'm running 1207 right now so no BIOS upgrade needed.

I have to admit I'm torn, may just wait for the 7800x3d to release before deciding where to go next.

Edit: My media server in the basement is running an Intel 2500K with 8gbs of ram. It's now 10+ years old, the 5600x + mobo could take it's place if resale values are bad.

 

[tabascosauz]

Great points, my 5600x won't go past 1866 no matter what I try either, even with only 2 dimms, it was a day 1 launch CPU and the IMC just sucks.
The X3D only pulls a max of about 110 watts right so I imagine an NH-D15 would be more than adequate to cool it.
I'm running 1207 right now so no BIOS upgrade needed.

I have to admit I'm torn, may just wait for the 7800x3d to release before deciding where to go next.

Edit: My media server in the basement is running an Intel 2500K with 8gbs of ram. It's now 10+ years old, the 5600x + mobo could take it's place if resale values are bad.

You should be looking at a max of about 50-60W in any game, unless loading shaders and other stuff where it's likely to run more cores. The running hot part is just for all-core - not even a D15 is immune for stock X3D, but like I said gaming temps will be a-ok

Not a bad idea to wait for some price drops on boards while you wait for 7000X3D. No sales I've seen yet on 7000 CPUs and no sales running for boards either, new Z790 launching for slightly lower price tag than X670. The Gene keeps drawing my attention but it's $820...

A lot of the restrictions are because AMD wasn't sure about the long-term health of first gen Vcache, 7000 might change that although I wouldn't bank on that.

 

[Pastuch]

From my vantage point, you have most of the data points you need to make a purchase decision. All you really need to do is wait for some third-party reviews of MW2 and what hardware configurations run it best, hopefully from people who have access to a wide range of parts (which the average TPU participant lacks).

If you are looking for opinions from other CoD MW and MW2 aficionados, you might look for a Q&A forum/Reddit specifically focused for that title. This is a broad interest PC forum that covers a lot of different topics.

The odds are low that you would get more than a couple respondents who have deep interest in optimizing their build for MW2 (basically creating a pure play solution).

Unfortunately you didn't bother mentioning Modern Warfare 2 in the thread's subject title.

At this point I will bow out of further participation in this thread. You already have most of the information you need and what you don't have certainly won't come from me.

Best of luck.

I’m playing MW2 right now, looks to me like it’s dramatically more GPU limited than MW19 was.